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Old 03-23-2007, 01:58 PM   #91
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Re: Should the Redskins consider LSU Safety Laron Landry with the 6th overall pick

I think the whole argument comes down to drafting for need, or drafting for talent. Obviously our biggest need is on the D line, but we are likely to have the choice of better talent at the #6 spot.

Personally, I think the best policy is to draft for VALUE.

Imagine that all teams have the same number of picks. The teams which get the most value from their draft picks will have the most effective draft. Their draft picks will have been put to better use than teams which don't draft for value (i.e.: more bang for your buck).

So, the question is: who is the better value, Landry or the top-rated DL available at #6?
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Old 03-23-2007, 02:01 PM   #92
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Re: Should the Redskins consider LSU Safety Laron Landry with the 6th overall pick

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Well there's still the slighty outside the box thinking of moving Springs to safety.

Seriously though, is there any team we can trade down with that would give us picks and a veteran safety?
The sentence above reeks of a move for Dre Bly...#21 and Bly for #6...
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Old 03-23-2007, 03:01 PM   #93
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Re: Should the Redskins consider LSU Safety Laron Landry with the 6th overall pick

Just a thought, Is this talk of Landry with the #6 pick just a means to leverage the Falcons for a 1st round Swap and additional picks?

I agree Landry is good but isn't he worth passing up on if we could acquire another Day 1 pick in the process?

Also what the hell is this talk of us moving up to get Jamarcus Russell? Please tell me thats a joke.
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Old 03-23-2007, 05:05 PM   #94
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I think the whole argument comes down to drafting for need, or drafting for talent. Obviously our biggest need is on the D line, but we are likely to have the choice of better talent at the #6 spot.

Personally, I think the best policy is to draft for VALUE.

Imagine that all teams have the same number of picks. The teams which get the most value from their draft picks will have the most effective draft. Their draft picks will have been put to better use than teams which don't draft for value (i.e.: more bang for your buck).

So, the question is: who is the better value, Landry or the top-rated DL available at #6?

I like your idea, but could you explain the concept of "value" a little more. Although I don't know exactly what you mean, I think one of the biggest hurdles to signing Landry would be a question of how much can you spend on saftey, which has typically been one of the NFL defensive positions that receives less cap space. Signing Landry could potentially give us problems signing players at more "important" positions. This is obviously something to think about. Honestly, I would only do it if I thought that a Landry/Taylor combo could actually "change the game" and give us a real advantage over teams that wouldn't have that kind of talent and versatility at saftey.
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If we can we need to trade down.If that isn't an option then okye,j.anderson or gaines adams.
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I think the whole argument comes down to drafting for need, or drafting for talent. Obviously our biggest need is on the D line, but we are likely to have the choice of better talent at the #6 spot.

Personally, I think the best policy is to draft for VALUE.

Imagine that all teams have the same number of picks. The teams which get the most value from their draft picks will have the most effective draft. Their draft picks will have been put to better use than teams which don't draft for value (i.e.: more bang for your buck).

So, the question is: who is the better value, Landry or the top-rated DL available at #6?
Good post. Very well said.

Value is relative to your team, and players have different values to each team. But one leaguewide rule of thumb is that EVERY position on the D Line is more valuable than the second safety.

I guess the arguement can be made that Landry will be a better player than Sean Taylor, and I would agree with that, but Landry + Taylor really isn't a whole lot different than Taylor + Prioleau. Ultimately the entire state of our safeties comes back to how much discipline ST wants to play with. Landry or not, its going to be a good situation if Taylor plays smart, and a bad one if he is a giant hole in coverage a la last year. Landry wont make a huge impact either way, ESPECIALLY AS A ROOKIE.

Any D Lineman is more valuable than Landry.
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Old 03-24-2007, 12:31 AM   #98
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Joe Gibbs and Snyder are not dummies. They see the talent. I'm sure Landry is a real consideration for us at # 6. A guy like that has to be. Especially with AA last year and no real replacement.

Come on now, are we banking on Omar? He stinks! I don't like that signing at all. PP, his knee injury is the most severe you can have.

I think our D line is not that bad......we're aging but not terrible. Daniels and Carter can get it done. Griffin needs to stay healthy but he's a probowler......the new guy at tackle was good also.

Having Fletcher anchor our D from the middle is very solid. Best signing for us in a long while.......

I'd love to see us take a chance with Landry but would not be heart broken with Gaines Adams or Branch.
Has Corneilius Griffin ever been to a pro bowl?

I don't know how you are evaluating these players. We had the flat out worst defensive line in the league last year. We were horrible vs. the run, and horrible vs. the pass. We need fresh blood.

Stoutmire isn't the starter at safety. Prioleau is coming off a major injury (in September of last year, he's already 6+ months into his recovery), but will likely be fine for next season.

The point is, we had Archuleta on the roster. We could have kept him as an established talent and given him a shot to win his job back. But we traded him and took his cap hit. That move SCREAMS confidence in our guys already at the position. Whenever it's cheaper to keep an incumbant starter, and he's cut anyway, rest assured that the solution is in house.

Prioleau will be ready to go.

Unless we want the defense to be horrible again, we have to plan to add help in the trenches. I would get help at DT, but we are going to need to address both positions over the next few years, so it wouldn't kill me if they picked at end. The worst thing we could do would be to not get any fresh blood on the DL in this draft.

Again, I wouldn't expect a big DL improvement this year because rookies tend to have minimal impact, but getting fresh blood is paramount so that in 2008 and 2009, our defense isnt still horrible.

Daniels and Wynn are all but cooked. Carter is one dimensional. Griffin may never be the player of 2004-05 again, and we don't have a good option at the 2nd DT. We could use help anywhere.

That's the state of this defense right now.
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Re: Should the Redskins consider LSU Safety Laron Landry with the 6th overall pick

I would be much more worried about Sean Taylor being a factor in coverage this year then I would be about Prioleau and Stoutmire at that other safety.
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Good post. Very well said.

Value is relative to your team, and players have different values to each team. But one leaguewide rule of thumb is that EVERY position on the D Line is more valuable than the second safety.

I guess the arguement can be made that Landry will be a better player than Sean Taylor, and I would agree with that, but Landry + Taylor really isn't a whole lot different than Taylor + Prioleau. Ultimately the entire state of our safeties comes back to how much discipline ST wants to play with. Landry or not, its going to be a good situation if Taylor plays smart, and a bad one if he is a giant hole in coverage a la last year. Landry wont make a huge impact either way, ESPECIALLY AS A ROOKIE.

Any D Lineman is more valuable than Landry.
I have always believed that the game of football is won in the trenches. All signs point to us adding DL help considering it's importance and our obvious deficiency in that area. That is clearly our most pressing need and the conventional wisdom as well. All I am saying is, hold off, just one more year. And here's why.

The opportunity to draft Landry is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity which very well could be a watershed moment for the game of football. Adding Landry could potentially give us a legitimate secondary no matter who is playing cornerback for the next ten years, something hitherto unheard of in football lore. Not only that, but God only knows what would be the devastating impact of two potential Hall of Fame safeties playing together side by side in their primes. They can blitz, they can cover, they can hit, they can run, they can wreak havoc all over the field and keep opposing OC's and players guessing for a decade. Not only that but I strongly believe that ST is the heart and soul of the entire team. If he can live up to his unlimited potential, he could become the defensive player of the year. But you know what? He's bored. Having someone by his side who challenges him, pushes him, even outclasses him at times, would serve as a constant reminder to him of how hard it is to be the best. They would feed off each other, and trust me, so would the entire team, no, scratch that, the entire Redskins' nation. The positive energy that would be unleashed by combining these freaks of the game would alter the cosmos so much that opposing teams would have no choice but to succumb to their inevitable defeat when faced with Us.

And if all that doesn't happen and it is a total flop, that's fine too. I don't see another SB coming around the bend unless JC or someone else becomes the franchise QB we've been sorely lacking. We have plenty of time to draft DL while JC develops. Think about it, if he turns out to be a flop we'll have to wait even longer to even hope to do the thing that all teams hope to do and that is win the Super Bowl. Trust me, it ain't happening if we don't get a QB.

We will in all likelihood never know what a Taylor/Landry combination would do to the game of football. I just don't think putting the DL blinders on and not at least pondering the potential impact of fielding the best safety duo in the history of football is the only plan, Stan.
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Old 03-24-2007, 08:42 AM   #101
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i have been saying this stuff since the nfl combine. i cant believe after all we here about gaines adams not impressing the coaching staff and not know enough about jamal anderson, that we wouldnt select a gu like landry who is a sure thing. branch is lazy and who wants a guy with so many negative reports anyways, all thats good about him is his size. well laron laundry can play either safety position and played corner at lsu for two years also so his cover skills are extremely good. Landry is a great pick for the simple fact that the DL and secondary go hand and hand. the famous clitche that rogers used last year because he sucked in coverage was "show me a pass rush and i will show you good coverage". well this is true but you show me a freakish secondary like we will have when healthy next year and i will show you a pass rush garunteed. having 4 or 5 guys in your secondary that can cover all or most recievers that can be put out there lets your front 7 or 6 be so creative. remember all the crazy blitzs that we used to run and get pressure on the quarterback? yeah well just imagine that when we have the sickest secondary in the league. gregg williams will be allowed to come up with some crazy schemes which will only benefit guys on the front line like carter, daniels, griff, and salavea. good dts are everywhere in the draft too so it makes more sense not to draft one at 6....thats what laron landry brings to the table.....STABILITY IN THE SECONDARY!!!! almost unheard of in the nfl.. hes a great pick at 6 and a sure thing unlike the dline man avialble.
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Old 03-24-2007, 09:12 AM   #102
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One of the scouting reports I read said that he wasn't very stout in the run game. I know he's accomplished as a cover safety, but remember that BOTH are run D & pass D sucked last year. Fletcher should help the run D, but it still needs great improvement. In short, we need balance, that's why I think we'll take a D linemen.
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I would be much more worried about Sean Taylor being a factor in coverage this year then I would be about Prioleau and Stoutmire at that other safety.
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Old 03-24-2007, 10:18 AM   #104
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the one thing that most forget is that there is no such thing as a sure thing. we need us some defensive linemen
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Old 03-24-2007, 12:12 PM   #105
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sean taylor was a sure thing
chris samuels was a sure thing
champ bailey was a sure thing

there are only a few sure things and landry is one of them, he is the second best player in this draft and best defensive player.....his knock for not being stout in the run game is listed as his only weakness, and even so hes not a pussy in the run game, he tackles extremely well. yeah he cant take on a full back but we dont need him to do things like that, we need a coverage safety more than a run stopping safety.....hell if you wanted a run stopper why get rid of archeletta. landry has put on 15 pounds since his last football game and still ran a 4.38......he is a sure thing pal.
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