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Old 03-28-2007, 06:48 PM   #91
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i heard him praise this deal for the skins on his radio show on sirius, thanks for the link
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Old 03-28-2007, 07:03 PM   #92
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We need to stay put for a change. We need to finally focus on what we should have focused on 4 years ago, the D line with regards to the draft. The guys we have now were acquired when they already were passed their prime and were starting to become walking injuries. Stick with getting Branch or Okeye please. At the 6th pick it will be hard not to pick up a guy that will become a starter, but we need a pass rush desperately!!!!!
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We need to stay put for a change. Getting more lesser round picks is nice if you just want to stock up on new practice squad guys for the most part. Rarely is there a diamond in the rough past round 3. Stick with #6 and get Branch or Okeye, we need to address our needs in earnest for a change. We have wasted too many drafts in recent years.
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Old 03-28-2007, 07:32 PM   #94
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Re: Maske/JLC: Gibbs Hints Redskins Might Trade Up

Honestly this might not be a bad move if you guys think about it and look at the contacts of our receivers. We are gonna have to do some house cleaning and AR-E and Moss's numbers skyrocket in a couple years. Might not be bad to have a good receiver. But at the same time we do need help on the D-line.
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Re: Maske/JLC: Gibbs Hints Redskins Might Trade Up

The most recently rumored to deal is to Cleveland to leap from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to get C Johnson.

The deal includes the 6th overall, Ladell Betts, and our recently acquired 6th round pick for the 3rd overall and a 3rd round pick.

I dont think its a bad deal. WE get a stellar athlete with great upside and work ethic, and we get a 3rd round pick in the deal to draft a DT/DE/RB.

Just imagine Calvin Johnson to one side, Santana Moss to the other, and Antwaan Ranldle El working the slot. This move could accelerate the growth of Jason Campbell. The 3rd round pick is up for grabs too.

If this went down I'd always think that we should go with what we need, but taking a player like Calvin Johnson, I would not be mad at that!
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Old 03-28-2007, 07:39 PM   #96
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If they see value in Jason Campbell I say pick up Calvin Johnson. He would make Jason better flat out. But if they want to improve the team they better draft a d-tackle to stop the run and help the Defense. The briggs trade is Idiotic and useless, just grome Rocky to be what we want him to be
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Re: Maske/JLC: Gibbs Hints Redskins Might Trade Up

The most recently rumored to deal, according to Washington Post Live show, is to Cleveland to leap from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to get C Johnson.

The deal includes the 6th overall, Ladell Betts, and our recently acquired 6th round pick for the 3rd overall and a 3rd round pick. Cleveland needs a RB, so the BEtts addition would help them out.

I dont think its a bad deal. WE get a stellar athlete with great upside and work ethic, and we get a 3rd round pick in the deal to draft a DT/DE/RB.

Just imagine Calvin Johnson to one side, Santana Moss to the other, and Antwaan Ranldle El working the slot. This move could accelerate the growth of Jason Campbell. The 3rd round pick is up for grabs too.

If this went down I'd always think that we should go with what we need, but taking a player like Calvin Johnson, I would not be mad at that!
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The most recently rumored to deal is to Cleveland to leap from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to get C Johnson.

The deal includes the 6th overall, Ladell Betts, and our recently acquired 6th round pick for the 3rd overall and a 3rd round pick.

I dont think its a bad deal. WE get a stellar athlete with great upside and work ethic, and we get a 3rd round pick in the deal to draft a DT/DE/RB.

Just imagine Calvin Johnson to one side, Santana Moss to the other, and Antwaan Ranldle El working the slot. This move could accelerate the growth of Jason Campbell. The 3rd round pick is up for grabs too.

If this went down I'd always think that we should go with what we need, but taking a player like Calvin Johnson, I would not be mad at that!
the one consistent all offseason though has been Gibbs praising Betts and talking about the split carries between Portis and Betts would become a lot more even than the last couple seasons so I just don't see Betts being traded at all. I like CJ but the running game has been the only consistent this team has had the last few seasons and will be fun to watch the 2 headed beast being even better this season.
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For the life of me I just don't understand why people are so against this. HE IS THE BEST PLAYER IN THE DRAFT. I get so tired of people saying we don't need wr's. DID ANYONE WATCH ANY GAMES LAST YEAR????????????? Outside of Santana which WR on our roster has done anything?

When you go 5-11 there is PLENTY of blame to go around. Not just on defense but on offense too. We hopefully solved the problem at QB, LB and DB's. Yes we need DE, DT but do any of you think that maybe alot of the players that are on the board are not that good?

I'll use this comparison one more time. Texans drafted for need and took Mario freaking Williams who didn't do shit. I bet if the Texans had a chance to do it all over again they would take Bush cause he was the best player on in the 06 draft.

We drafted for need a few years ago when Smoot left and took Carlos R. How in the hell did our scouting dept. grade Carlos higher than Merriman or D. Ware?

Calvin J. is simply put a freak. He's going to make any offense better the minute he walks on the field. He's going to do things that will NEVER EVER show up in the stat sheet. Can any of you imagine the PI's this guy will draw? Plus defenses are going to have to slide coverages to his side of the field which could open up all kinds of room for Santana and Cooley. Plus saftey's will never come near the LOS like they did last year when Brunell was QB. Opens up the running game so that helps Portis and Betts.

I hope we package Lloyd and move up and take this guy!!!!!!!
MAN WHO ARE? cause im gone brown nose here, your got damn right, how the hell we missed Merriman or Ware, I think most of the people here think we should get DT or DE, but for the last freakin time, there will be good veterans available come draft time, (bet on it) CJ dont come but every once in 5-10 years, look at all the flops the Lions made! if we can trade up give away this years next years and 1st rounder and a 2nd, shit take it, greg williams is a genius, he will figure it out, and who gives a shit who's the #1 receiver, as long as where winning, thats all i care about and in the red zone, they will have to pay special attention to Johnson, which leaves portis and coley with more plays for them. TAKE HIM, TAKE HIM, TAKE HIM!!!!!!!
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Here's the problem I have with this. We just spend big bucks and picks last year to get Randle-El and Lloyd; two relatively young receivers who have shown they can play in this league. Furthermore, we have Moss and Cooley (who I'll count as a WR for these purposes).

Granted, neither Lloyd nor El put up stellar numbers but a.) we were dealing with a new offense that everyone admits takes a year to learn and b.) Jason Campbell was for all intents and purposes a rookie when he played in the back half of the season.

CJ is great, no question about that. But why do we want to just give up on our current receivers-especially two guys we just spent big on just last year-after only one season in a new offense with a young quarterback. Why not let them grow together?

If you want to tear that unit up then fine, but it's hard to listen then when you turn right around and talk about how we have no patience as a front office, and we need to develop our players and so forth. (and when I say "you" I'm addressing the universal "you")
cause outside of moss and cooley,.........they suck!!!!!!!!!!!! brandon lloyd was a bust, was benched in the middle of the season, and randle el is a 3rd at best, hell in pittsburg he was the third option!!!!!!! hell i package el, lloyd, 6pick and next year 1st rounder on this kid,.........he is a cant miss!
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Im actually loving all of this. Last year we get Lloyd, Randel el, Archuleta and Carter and everyone is raving oh my god the FO office is great and jumps on their d**k. Then the season comes, we blow, everyone jumps off, and the bitching and moaning begins. This year I hope they do the one thing that everyone hates the most which looks like getting Briggs or CJ. Then we kick a** this year, make the playoffs, and everybody climbs back on Mr.Winky.
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Old 03-28-2007, 09:39 PM   #102
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I'm not advocating the deal I'm just saying the market has been set for LBs and $20M guaranteed is not out of line for a player of Briggs' caliber. The guaranteed money for corners is now even higher thanks to Clements.

I'd like to see the DL addressed as well, but the offseason is far from over so I'm not going to get too crazy just yet.
Hopefully all these rumors are smokescreens and the team addresses DL and depth across the board. I do think though that a lot of the salaries escalated out of control this offseason and hopefully it was caused more by the availability of cap space than "salary inflation".

The one thing that everyone must take into consideration is that if we do stay at the 6th slot we are basically are on the hook of paying around $15 million in guranteed money to that player. Accroding to Sportstalk 980 today Vernon Davis who was picked 6th last year got about $14.5 million in guranteed money and Pac Man Jones the year before was not too far off this amount as well. To me if we can somehow pull off a trade down and pick up multiple picks it would not only bolster our chances at building depth but vastly help with the salary cap.
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gmanc, good post. no matter who says what, there is no such thing as a sure thing. and this is the first time i can ever remember the redskins playing the draft game the right way. letting all the other teams think that they want everyone. does anyone, other then the skins front office, have a clue to who they really want?
I'm not quite sure the FO even knows? That's whats scarry.
If they do this is a GRAMMY PERFORMANCE.
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cause outside of moss and cooley,.........they suck!!!!!!!!!!!! brandon lloyd was a bust, was benched in the middle of the season, and randle el is a 3rd at best, hell in pittsburg he was the third option!!!!!!! hell i package el, lloyd, 6pick and next year 1st rounder on this kid,.........he is a cant miss!
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I wouldn't mind getting rid of Lloyd, seeing as how I hate his soul, but I think we're a pretty run-heavy team in the first place so we won't be relying on our 3rd string receiver anyways.

With that being said, I definitely wouldn't ditch ARE, he's a damn good punt returner, a gadget guy, and he brings versatility no-matter what he's doing, not to mention he's a quality guy in the locker room.


I think getting Calvin Johnson would be like swatting a bunch of gnats with a shot-gun, seems like some over-kill. We'll rely on Portis and Betts in this offense. Remember, run the ball and stop the run.

When the safeties start to cheat up, Mr. Campbell's divine arm will pass to Moss/Cooley/ARE/Betts/Portis/ who cares... We've got weapons, we don't need any more on offense.

Why don't we instead worry about what has plagued us, and will almost definitely plague us next year. Defensive line. I think we've said it enough, but you dreamers out there keep on dreamin'.

Just say no to Calvin Johnson. It makes zero sense.
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Re: Maske/JLC: Gibbs Hints Redskins Might Trade Up

The most recently rumored to deal, according to Washington Post Live show, is to Cleveland to leap from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to get C Johnson.

The deal includes the 6th overall, Ladell Betts, and our recently acquired 6th round pick for the 3rd overall and a 3rd round pick. Cleveland needs a RB, so the BEtts addition would help them out.

I dont think its a bad deal. WE get a stellar athlete with great upside and work ethic, and we get a 3rd round pick in the deal to draft a DT/DE/RB.

Just imagine Calvin Johnson to one side, Santana Moss to the other, and Antwaan Ranldle El working the slot. This move could accelerate the growth of Jason Campbell. The 3rd round pick is up for grabs too.

If this went down I'd always think that we should go with what we need, but taking a player like Calvin Johnson, I would not be mad at that!
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