Thoughts on Potential Draft Trade With Cleveland!!!

GTripp0012 · 04-02-2007, 03:01 AM

I actually believe that you draft for value, but that value is relative to a players' position, and to your needs. If there were no good DL this year, I wouldn't be advocating the use of the #6 pick on a DLineman.

But there are some pretty good ones out there, and we can't justify passing on all of them.

GMScud · 04-02-2007, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I actually believe that you draft for value, but that value is relative to a players' position, and to your needs. If there were no good DL this year, I wouldn't be advocating the use of the #6 pick on a DLineman.

But there are some pretty good ones out there, and we can't justify passing on all of them.

The depth at DL in this years' draft is absurd. Adams, Anderson, Okoye, Branch, Carriker, Moss, Crowder, Spencer, Harrell, DeMarcus Tyler, (the other) Calvin Johnson (DE)... I'm probably forgetting some people- It's one of the deepest drafts in years for D-line

Beemnseven · 04-02-2007, 07:32 AM

I hate to use Albert Connell as an example, but '99 was a good year for him. He's one example of how a mid-round pick took a couple of years to develop, and came out of nowhere to provide a nice complimentary role opposite Michael Westbrook.

Turns out it was only pure luck that both of them finally found a groove both in the same season and allowed us to have the most explosive offense of 1999 second only to the St. Louis Rams.

Maybe it's a bad example because we all know what happened to both Connell and Westbrook. I think if Brad Johnson could have been more consistent, and Westbrook hadn't gotten injured in the second game of the 2000 season, we might have had yet another prolific duo at wideout and a strong campaign that year.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 04-02-2007, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Jigsaw1

Well you know what i think

it would be pretty stupid of the redskins to trade with cleveland
just to get Calvin

because we all know thats what they want to do

and why would u say it is so stupid CJ is the closest thing to a sure thing in this draft

#56fanatic · 04-02-2007, 08:21 AM

absolutely horrible trade. We dont address anything on the defensive side of the ball, and we lose our #2 RB?? that is absolutely ridiculous. Beside there is that thing again "Ladell is a core Redskin" that should tell you right now he is on the way out. I think this would be a HUGE mistake on our part. CJ is truely the best player available in the draft. Probably one of the most gifted WR to ever come out of the draft. I would be all for this deal if we could find a way to keep Betts. This would be different had we not given away every draft pick we have for this coming draft.

if they deal Betts, here is what we are stuck with : no true # 2 RB. No DL drafted. At least the Briggs deal gives a LB and a pick to get the DL.

HUGE MISTAKE

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 04-02-2007, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by #56fanatic

absolutely horrible trade. We dont address anything on the defensive side of the ball, and we lose our #2 RB?? that is absolutely ridiculous. Beside there is that thing again "Ladell is a core Redskin" that should tell you right now he is on the way out. I think this would be a HUGE mistake on our part. CJ is truely the best player available in the draft. Probably one of the most gifted WR to ever come out of the draft. I would be all for this deal if we could find a way to keep Betts. This would be different had we not given away every draft pick we have for this coming draft.

if they deal Betts, here is what we are stuck with : no true # 2 RB. No DL drafted. At least the Briggs deal gives a LB and a pick to get the DL.

HUGE MISTAKE

true

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-02-2007, 09:11 AM

Not saying I'd support this trade at all, but RBs are easy to come by and a third round pick could still nab a pretty good DE or DT.

Again, not saying I support this trade, but it wouldn't be the end of the world either.

dmek25 · 04-02-2007, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Jigsaw1

Well you know what i think

it would be pretty stupid of the redskins to trade with cleveland
just to get Calvin

because we all know thats what they want to do

welcome, and i don't think the skins want anything to do with Johnson. right now it seems like every day the skins have a trade lined up with someone for their number 6 pick. this is good work by the front office. if someone really wants that pick, they are thinking there are some other suitors out there, that also want the pick. this way the skins get maximum value for their pick. and is your user name a reference to the saw movies?

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 04-02-2007, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

welcome, and i don't think the skins want anything to do with Johnson. right now it seems like every day the skins have a trade lined up with someone for their number 6 pick. this is good work by the front office. if someone really wants that pick, they are thinking there are some other suitors out there, that also want the pick. this way the skins get maximum value for their pick. and is your user name a reference to the saw movies?

naw that is my cousin it is his nickname

hail_2_da_skins · 04-02-2007, 10:05 AM

This proposed trade is another example of why I think the Redskins are the laughing stock of the NFL. The Skins are the Rodney Dangerfields of the NFL. They get no respect! The Lance Briggs deal is a joke. This rumor is even worse. No way in hell do you give up Ladell Betts, #6 overall pick and a second round pick for next year to draft a wide receiver. That's just stupid. I don't care how good Calvin Johnson is or could be. That's just dumb, when you have the worst pass rush in the NFL and its been that way for a couple of years. Whether the Skins move up or down or even stay put in the draft, they better pick a defensive linemen or else I will be sick.

Mattyk · 04-02-2007, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by hail_2_da_skins

This proposed trade is another example of why I think the Redskins are the laughing stock of the NFL.

What does that make the Raiders or the Cardinals then?

#56fanatic · 04-02-2007, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Not saying I'd support this trade at all, but RBs are easy to come by and a third round pick could still nab a pretty good DE or DT.

Again, not saying I support this trade, but it wouldn't be the end of the world either.

where are we going to get a replacement? we dont pick again until the 5th round. at that point, we haven't addressed the true need, a DE or DT.

Gmanc711 · 04-02-2007, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

What does that make the Raiders or the Cardinals then?

I think were more the laughing stock of the offseason, because of what we have on the feild inseason.

For example, you look at our 5-11 team this past year. Outside of 3 games, they were very compeitive in every game. I think the reason all this offseason bullcrap pisses so many of us fans off, is we have the talent to win, and just need to fill in some key area's. However we decline to ever do that and just try to get as much blockbuster moves in as we can, when really if we just make a couple small moves, sign a big name every couple years we can be fine.

I for one hate this trade, as I hate every other trade I've heard since the Denver deal. I feel it really does nothing to help this team, when we have viable reciving threats, and our defense got roasted all season long.

jsarno · 04-02-2007, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Gmanc711

I think were more the laughing stock of the offseason, because of what we have on the feild inseason.

For example, you look at our 5-11 team this past year. Outside of 3 games, they were very compeitive in every game. I think the reason all this offseason bullcrap pisses so many of us fans off, is we have the talent to win, and just need to fill in some key area's. However we decline to ever do that and just try to get as much blockbuster moves in as we can, when really if we just make a couple small moves, sign a big name every couple years we can be fine.

I for one hate this trade, as I hate every other trade I've heard since the Denver deal. I feel it really does nothing to help this team, when we have viable reciving threats, and our defense got roasted all season long.

I agree. I am getting so sick of these rumors cause none of them project to actually help us. We need DEFENSIVE help! So why are we looking at a WR, or a QB? I just don't get it. I used to think, "don't worry, they are just rumors and the Skins aren't that stupid." But anymore, I am just not so sure.
Why oh why would you trade Betts after what he did for us last year and after all the good things he said about this orginization if it's not just a massive slam dunk deal? Sure he had a case of the fumbles, but that can be corrected (see tiki Barber). We actually have a solid RB game...more solid than any other team out there, and we are thinking of tearing that apart? Not so swift if you ask me.
Throughout history, I have not seen many teams benefit greatly from trading UP, but I have seen teams benefit greatly from trading DOWN and getting more picks. If we trade down I'm fine with that...especially since I don't like Gaines that much...Anderson is a bigger and better athlete IMO.

Longtimefan · 04-02-2007, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by hail_2_da_skins

This proposed trade is another example of why I think the Redskins are the laughing stock of the NFL. The Skins are the Rodney Dangerfields of the NFL. They get no respect! The Lance Briggs deal is a joke. This rumor is even worse. No way in hell do you give up Ladell Betts, #6 overall pick and a second round pick for next year to draft a wide receiver. That's just stupid. I don't care how good Calvin Johnson is or could be. That's just dumb, when you have the worst pass rush in the NFL and its been that way for a couple of years. Whether the Skins move up or down or even stay put in the draft, they better pick a defensive linemen or else I will be sick.

AaaaaaaaaaaaaaaMan!!!!

04-02-2007, 03:01 AM	#76
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Age: 25 Posts: 15,143	Re: Thoughts on Potential Draft Trade With Cleveland!!! I actually believe that you draft for value, but that value is relative to a players' position, and to your needs. If there were no good DL this year, I wouldn't be advocating the use of the #6 pick on a DLineman. But there are some pretty good ones out there, and we can't justify passing on all of them. __________________ Shanahan: “The bad thing is he's [Sav Rocca] probably our best offensive weapon and that’s not good.”

04-02-2007, 07:32 AM	#78
Beemnseven Fighting off The Crazies Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Virginia Beach Age: 39 Posts: 5,280	Re: Thoughts on Potential Draft Trade With Cleveland!!! I hate to use Albert Connell as an example, but '99 was a good year for him. He's one example of how a mid-round pick took a couple of years to develop, and came out of nowhere to provide a nice complimentary role opposite Michael Westbrook. Turns out it was only pure luck that both of them finally found a groove both in the same season and allowed us to have the most explosive offense of 1999 second only to the St. Louis Rams. Maybe it's a bad example because we all know what happened to both Connell and Westbrook. I think if Brad Johnson could have been more consistent, and Westbrook hadn't gotten injured in the second game of the 2000 season, we might have had yet another prolific duo at wideout and a strong campaign that year.

04-02-2007, 08:21 AM	#80
#56fanatic The Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Charlotte NC Age: 38 Posts: 1,788	Re: Thoughts on Potential Draft Trade With Cleveland!!! absolutely horrible trade. We dont address anything on the defensive side of the ball, and we lose our #2 RB?? that is absolutely ridiculous. Beside there is that thing again "Ladell is a core Redskin" that should tell you right now he is on the way out. I think this would be a HUGE mistake on our part. CJ is truely the best player available in the draft. Probably one of the most gifted WR to ever come out of the draft. I would be all for this deal if we could find a way to keep Betts. This would be different had we not given away every draft pick we have for this coming draft. if they deal Betts, here is what we are stuck with : no true # 2 RB. No DL drafted. At least the Briggs deal gives a LB and a pick to get the DL. HUGE MISTAKE

04-02-2007, 09:11 AM	#82
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 31 Posts: 17,120	Re: Thoughts on Potential Draft Trade With Cleveland!!! Not saying I'd support this trade at all, but RBs are easy to come by and a third round pick could still nab a pretty good DE or DT. Again, not saying I support this trade, but it wouldn't be the end of the world either. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

04-02-2007, 10:05 AM	#85
hail_2_da_skins Impact Rookie Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: St. Louis, MO Age: 57 Posts: 862	Re: Thoughts on Potential Draft Trade With Cleveland!!! This proposed trade is another example of why I think the Redskins are the laughing stock of the NFL. The Skins are the Rodney Dangerfields of the NFL. They get no respect! The Lance Briggs deal is a joke. This rumor is even worse. No way in hell do you give up Ladell Betts, #6 overall pick and a second round pick for next year to draft a wide receiver. That's just stupid. I don't care how good Calvin Johnson is or could be. That's just dumb, when you have the worst pass rush in the NFL and its been that way for a couple of years. Whether the Skins move up or down or even stay put in the draft, they better pick a defensive linemen or else I will be sick. __________________ "HAIL TO THE SKINS"

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