Thoughts on Potential Draft Trade With Cleveland!!!

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-02-2007, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by #56fanatic

where are we going to get a replacement? we dont pick again until the 5th round. at that point, we haven't addressed the true need, a DE or DT.

We already have a couple on the roster. Not saying I want Rock Cartwright starting, but I won't mind him in there for a breather for Portis either.

Hog1 · 04-02-2007, 02:33 PM

May be the perfect situation, but you gotta' love the Rock. It could be much worse if that happens.
HOWEVER, I don't sweeten this deal. It's not sweet enough for us. In fact I wait until draft day to see who's there when we are on the clock, unless it gets much better for us

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 04-02-2007, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

1200-1400 yards/season consistently is nothing special?
when exactly did KC or SD win their last SB? lack of a true grade-A #1 WR has definately hurt their offenses, though both have monster TEs to help.

what about the certain super bowl with 3 1,000 yard WRs? what about the colt's 3 target passing attack? It certainly didn't hurt them.

DE bust rate is about 50%, it's really not any better than QBs or WRs. I mean, if you want we can throw straw men around all day about why drafting any position other than offensive guard in the first round is likely to be a bust, but that'd be fairly pointless (and yeah, OGs and Cs bust rate are SUPER SUPER low cause very very few go in the 1st round, and those that do go that high are rate VERY highly, like hutch).

I do agree that DEs are always higher priority at equal talent, and even for us it'd probably be a better pick, since our need is dire. That doesn't mean CJ wouldn't help, that he's not the best WR prospect in quite a few years, or that we don't have a gaping hole at the #2 WR spot.

a true #1 WR beats an overpaid LB or a high contract SS, etc though. While signing ian scott and drafting adams or carriker would be much smarter in terms or winning games next year, this deal would beat the briggs or landry rumors in terms of usefulness.

at least someone else agrees with me on signing ian scott

TenandSix:Unacceptable · 04-02-2007, 04:41 PM

I suppose you guys are probably right. DL really does make a whole lot of sense. I have been pushing Landry at six, which most people hate, and I'll admit that I like this trade up for a player who could be a game breaker for years to come. I really think surrounding Campbell with top flight talent is a good idea. The strategy that probably makes most sense is trading down and taking D help with a couple picks. I am just very wary of paying one of these DL at six or paying a LB like Briggs 20 mil guaranteed. As far as I can tell it seems more likely that LL and CJ are going to play up to their contracts if we draft someone that high, but then again, who knows? The draft always has a crap shoot element. Bottom line is that all of these scenarios seem to have pluses and minuses and I think that although DL makes the most obvious sense there is definitely room for debate. We can always address DL next year. The thing about Betts is that his value right now would be bringing a move up three spots in the top of the first round and a third round pick. That's getting a lot of value for your back up running back. Honestly, I will not be upset if they do any of these moves. I'll save my disappointment for if and when we suck again on the field again.

TenandSix:Unacceptable · 04-02-2007, 04:46 PM

PS: It would be a pretty bad slap in the face to Betts if we trade him. It's not like we forced him to sign for so little but obstensibly he took less to stay with us and that measure of loyalty should be rewarded, not taken advantage of. But man, he is drawing crazy interest. A move up to three and the third rounder is the same value as a late first round pick. If someone wants to get the exact draft chart value of Betts in this deal that would be cool.

andtz0 · 04-02-2007, 06:23 PM

i would do it on draft day if CJ were still avaliable. Cartwright can be the next Betts, and we would also have a 3rd rounder.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 04-02-2007, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by andtz0

i would do it on draft day if CJ were still avaliable. Cartwright can be the next Betts, and we would also have a 3rd rounder.

screw that the best thing a young qb can have is an explosive run game keeps 8 in the box it is elementary man come on leave 46 where he is

Dantheskinsfan · 04-02-2007, 11:48 PM

I agree. Don't fix what ain't broke, and our run game ain't broke.....

tazhog · 04-09-2007, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

I'd rather keep Betts and trade down from #6, get a third round pick and still be high enough to get one of the top DLinemen.

Agreed! Nice Post...

GTripp0012 · 04-09-2007, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

screw that the best thing a young qb can have is an explosive run game keeps 8 in the box it is elementary man come on leave 46 where he is

It's true. Play action is a young QB's best friend.

It's not like teams are going to play 8 in the box every play against a good RB. They will be mixing up their fronts and coverage all game. But if that PA can hold the linebackers even just a step, those intermediate passing lanes will be wide open.

SkinsFanSince91 · 04-09-2007, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by tazhog

Agreed! Nice Post...

trade down to where and to whom? That assertion is compleltly ambiguous, and this is under the assumption that the top d-lineman will be available!

They will be going fast in the first 15 picks. So past in the first 15 picks Adams, Anderson, Okoye, Branch, and Carriker are all poised to be gone!

I hear everyone, but I WILL BE NAMING NAMES of the warpath faithful who will bicker and complain about how many people we could have had after our first pick!!

Im telling you now it will suck, and I WILL be here to remind all of you if you do in fact complain or start any forums thereafter!!!

freddyg12 · 04-09-2007, 05:06 PM

I could see us trading up w/Cleveland, then in turn trading the #3 to Denver for their 1st, 2nd & 3rd. This seems possible since the broncos seem to think they're a player or two away.

I don't know how much cash the broncos have left under the cap though.

tazhog · 04-09-2007, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SkinsFanSince91

trade down to where and to whom? That assertion is compleltly ambiguous, and this is under the assumption that the top d-lineman will be available!

They will be going fast in the first 15 picks. So past in the first 15 picks Adams, Anderson, Okoye, Branch, and Carriker are all poised to be gone!

I hear everyone, but I WILL BE NAMING NAMES of the warpath faithful who will bicker and complain about how many people we could have had after our first pick!!

Im telling you now it will suck, and I WILL be here to remind all of you if you do in fact complain or start any forums thereafter!!!

I love your passion... I've been a REDSKINS fan since 69' and I will always live and die with the decisions of our FO...
It will be interesting, to see how this develops!!!

TenandSix:Unacceptable · 04-09-2007, 06:10 PM

It's hard to call successful PA if other teams don't respect your passing game or when they don't get burned for biting on the run, so I don't agree with the thinking that WR's impact so few of your offensive plays. However, the KC offense that keeps getting referred to was an Al Saunders offense in large part, and they went for 2 rb's over having killer WR's. I'm sure we would all be happy if our offense could come close to matching the production of Saunders' KC offenses. I suppose his thinking and JG's thinking will ultimately determine whether or not a Betts and our pick for CJ would benefit the team or not. I would honestly not complain with any of our potential moves if we get to see a better product on the field and win some freaking games. Time is running out on Gibbs II and all we want is to see him and the team do well.

GTripp0012 · 04-09-2007, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TenandSix:Unacceptable

It's hard to call successful PA if other teams don't respect your passing game or when they don't get burned for biting on the run, so I don't agree with the thinking that WR's impact so few of your offensive plays. However, the KC offense that keeps getting referred to was an Al Saunders offense in large part, and they went for 2 rb's over having killer WR's. I'm sure we would all be happy if our offense could come close to matching the production of Saunders' KC offenses. I suppose his thinking and JG's thinking will ultimately determine whether or not a Betts and our pick for CJ would benefit the team or not. I would honestly not complain with any of our potential moves if we get to see a better product on the field and win some freaking games. Time is running out on Gibbs II and all we want is to see him and the team do well.

The difference between what Kansas City had under Saunders and what we had last year was 100% in the blocking. Our offensive line may be the best in our division, but Kansas City had a dominant blocking TE, and the best OL in football. They didn't even have a gamebreaker like Santana Moss, but were so consistent that it didn't even matter.

If we want to improve our offense, THAT is the blueprint to follow. Improve the OL even more.

The only other option is to leave the offense as is, accept the fact that we won't ever make it into the top 3-5 offensively, and try to build up the defense into a playoff caliber one by pouring all of our resources into it.

04-02-2007, 02:33 PM	#92
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 8,376	Re: Thoughts on Potential Draft Trade With Cleveland!!! May be the perfect situation, but you gotta' love the Rock. It could be much worse if that happens. HOWEVER, I don't sweeten this deal. It's not sweet enough for us. In fact I wait until draft day to see who's there when we are on the clock, unless it gets much better for us __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... Win! Always win! By fair means or foul, by soft words and hard deeds... by treachery, by cunning, by malpractice... but always win--Edward Teach

04-02-2007, 04:41 PM	#94
TenandSix:Unacceptable Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 272	Re: Thoughts on Potential Draft Trade With Cleveland!!! I suppose you guys are probably right. DL really does make a whole lot of sense. I have been pushing Landry at six, which most people hate, and I'll admit that I like this trade up for a player who could be a game breaker for years to come. I really think surrounding Campbell with top flight talent is a good idea. The strategy that probably makes most sense is trading down and taking D help with a couple picks. I am just very wary of paying one of these DL at six or paying a LB like Briggs 20 mil guaranteed. As far as I can tell it seems more likely that LL and CJ are going to play up to their contracts if we draft someone that high, but then again, who knows? The draft always has a crap shoot element. Bottom line is that all of these scenarios seem to have pluses and minuses and I think that although DL makes the most obvious sense there is definitely room for debate. We can always address DL next year. The thing about Betts is that his value right now would be bringing a move up three spots in the top of the first round and a third round pick. That's getting a lot of value for your back up running back. Honestly, I will not be upset if they do any of these moves. I'll save my disappointment for if and when we suck again on the field again.

04-02-2007, 04:46 PM	#95
TenandSix:Unacceptable Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 272	Re: Thoughts on Potential Draft Trade With Cleveland!!! PS: It would be a pretty bad slap in the face to Betts if we trade him. It's not like we forced him to sign for so little but obstensibly he took less to stay with us and that measure of loyalty should be rewarded, not taken advantage of. But man, he is drawing crazy interest. A move up to three and the third rounder is the same value as a late first round pick. If someone wants to get the exact draft chart value of Betts in this deal that would be cool.

04-02-2007, 06:23 PM	#96
andtz0 Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 7	Re: Thoughts on Potential Draft Trade With Cleveland!!! i would do it on draft day if CJ were still avaliable. Cartwright can be the next Betts, and we would also have a 3rd rounder.

04-02-2007, 11:48 PM	#98
Dantheskinsfan Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Good ol US of A Age: 33 Posts: 110	Re: Thoughts on Potential Draft Trade With Cleveland!!! I agree. Don't fix what ain't broke, and our run game ain't broke.....

04-09-2007, 05:06 PM	#102
freddyg12 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,540	Re: Thoughts on Potential Draft Trade With Cleveland!!! I could see us trading up w/Cleveland, then in turn trading the #3 to Denver for their 1st, 2nd & 3rd. This seems possible since the broncos seem to think they're a player or two away. I don't know how much cash the broncos have left under the cap though.

04-09-2007, 06:10 PM	#104
TenandSix:Unacceptable Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 272	Re: Thoughts on Potential Draft Trade With Cleveland!!! It's hard to call successful PA if other teams don't respect your passing game or when they don't get burned for biting on the run, so I don't agree with the thinking that WR's impact so few of your offensive plays. However, the KC offense that keeps getting referred to was an Al Saunders offense in large part, and they went for 2 rb's over having killer WR's. I'm sure we would all be happy if our offense could come close to matching the production of Saunders' KC offenses. I suppose his thinking and JG's thinking will ultimately determine whether or not a Betts and our pick for CJ would benefit the team or not. I would honestly not complain with any of our potential moves if we get to see a better product on the field and win some freaking games. Time is running out on Gibbs II and all we want is to see him and the team do well.

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