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Old 04-12-2007, 06:00 PM   #91
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Re: Skins stuck at No. 6?

There's a split between DE-advocates and DT-advocates, but a lot of people have liked Okoye for a long time now.

And, while DTs are nowhere near as "sexy" as WRs, they're just as important. I'd prefer to upgrade our 31st ranked defense before adding to an offense that has Cooley, Moss, Portis, Betts, ARE, Lloyd, etc. If Campbell develops like people expect him to, we don't need another #1 WR. Finally, I don't like the idea of bumping Moss to #2.
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There's a split between DE-advocates and DT-advocates, but a lot of people have liked Okoye for a long time now.

And, while DTs are nowhere near as "sexy" as WRs, they're just as important. I'd prefer to upgrade our 31st ranked defense before adding to an offense that has Cooley, Moss, Portis, Betts, ARE, Lloyd, etc. If Campbell develops like people expect him to, we don't need another #1 WR. Finally, I don't like the idea of bumping Moss to #2.
Instead of being worried about adding more speed, our offensive staff SHOULD be worried about better utilizing the position players we have and one way to do this is to improve the blocking as much as reasonably possible.

But regardless of where our offensive problems lie, the use of the 6th pick on the DL is just common sense.
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Old 04-12-2007, 06:19 PM   #93
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At first we all wanted Allan Branch, then we wanted Gaines Adams, ESPN releases their aritcle on Okoye now we should draft him 6th? Has he actually replaced Gaines as the can't miss prospect? I don't know, seems as the national consensus is that Calvin Johnson is the truth. I don't want to defend not bolstering the line because we are sorely in need of help but no of us really no exactly how much it would cost to move up to 2 or 3. So wide reciever is not a pressing need, ok, but i don't want to walk away from the next Marvin Harrison with Randy Moss/Terrell Owens ability for a Tommie Harris. I should end by saying if the acquistion became to costly, ie. trading away a intergal part of the team then we should stand pat or trade back to bolster the D.
My point this entire time frame leading to draft day, has been hopefully we will Trade down and pick up, more picks.

However, I've also said if we stay at #6 Gaines Adams has a heck of an upside and ALL the tools to get it done. IMO if we stay at #6 he's the guy. I think DE would be my #1 choice, followed closely by a DT which would be my second choice.
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Re: Skins stuck at No. 6?

For better or for worse, the front office is reportedly uninterested in Adams.
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For better or for worse, the front office is reportedly uninterested in Adams.
Just curious - According to who?

Around the time of the combine, I remember reading somewhere that Gibbs and Williams appeared to really like Okoye (and yes, I have been an Okoye backer from well before the ESPN article).
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Just curious - According to who?

Around the time of the combine, I remember reading somewhere that Gibbs and Williams appeared to really like Okoye (and yes, I have been an Okoye backer from well before the ESPN article).
They've done a REALLY good job not bringing his name up in either a positive or negative light. He's really been keep under the radar of the media.

That's not hard to do when theres a national buzz around a visit from JaMarcus Russell to a team with a franchise QB already.

God, mediots are idiots.
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At first we all wanted Allan Branch, then we wanted Gaines Adams, ESPN releases their aritcle on Okoye now we should draft him 6th? Has he actually replaced Gaines as the can't miss prospect? I don't know, seems as the national consensus is that Calvin Johnson is the truth. I don't want to defend not bolstering the line because we are sorely in need of help but no of us really no exactly how much it would cost to move up to 2 or 3. So wide reciever is not a pressing need, ok, but i don't want to walk away from the next Marvin Harrison with Randy Moss/Terrell Owens ability for a Tommie Harris. I should end by saying if the acquistion became to costly, ie. trading away a intergal part of the team then we should stand pat or trade back to bolster the D.
I have 3 issues with Gaines Adams:

1) What becomes of Andre Carter? I've explained this point ad nauseum and so have many others.

2) Is pass rushing ability in DEs overvalued? We had a very strong line when Wynn and Daniels were the ends. Perhaps this is because while they werent dominant pass rushers, they were good pass rushers who were exceptional vs. the run compared to the expectation for the DE position. Maybe a guy like Carriker is the better of the two ends even despite not having incredibly gifted physical skill.

3) With as much of an unknown as Andre Carter is, doesn't it make more sense to fill the sure need now with Okoye, and reevaluate the DE situation when we know EXACTLY what we are looking for. This works hand in hand with point # 1 a bit. If you draft Adams, Carter's on the bench by 2008. What if we take Okoye and Carter gets 12 sacks this year? Wouldn't we look like geniuses for not taking a guy like Adams when Carter was more than adequate?

There are guys like Adams in every year's draft. He's good, but we don't need to take him. Theres a draft next year.

He's the 3rd best pick we could make at 6 after Carriker and Okoye, so I wouldn't be all that disappointed if we took him. He just doesn't make the most sense.
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Just curious - According to who?

Around the time of the combine, I remember reading somewhere that Gibbs and Williams appeared to really like Okoye (and yes, I have been an Okoye backer from well before the ESPN article).
The Post's JLC and Maske (sorry I don't have the links). I think I read it elsewhere.
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You guys don't know shit about football. We need a d-lineman so bad it hurts. Taking any other position with the 6th pick would be dumb.
your right........but you dont draft on needs in the draft, its all about the best player available...that will be laron landry, sorry pal or should we just call you coach.
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You guys don't know shit about football. We need a d-lineman so bad it hurts. Taking any other position with the 6th pick would be dumb.
Wow, that was harsh chief.
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Old 04-12-2007, 07:28 PM   #101
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no charles johnsons stock hasnt been falling it is quentin moses stock that is falling.johnsons stock is goin up.im a fsu and g-dog fan,and charles johnson is a excellent pass rushing de.i watched him play during his career at georgia.
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if calvin johnson drops to sixth,gibbs will take him.if not just to trade him.
remember who drafted desmond howard?
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Just curious - According to who?

Around the time of the combine, I remember reading somewhere that Gibbs and Williams appeared to really like Okoye (and yes, I have been an Okoye backer from well before the ESPN article).
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<Apr. 11> At the moment, the Redskins are pessimistic about their chances of trading out of the No. 6 spot, according to John Clayton. The Lance Briggs trade is pretty well dead from the Redskins' standpoint. Talks of moving up and moving down have been difficult. The Redskins may have to pick, which could put them in a position to take safety LaRon Landry of LSU. The Redskins don't appear to be thrilled with Clemson defensive end Gaines Adams as the sixth pick even though they have a need for a pass-rushing defensive end.
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okoye at the 6 spot if we cant trade down but i wouldnt mind landry either because honestly one Dline rookie isnt the last piece to the puzzle and we should be building for a SB run in '08 to '10
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okoye at the 6 spot if we cant trade down but i wouldnt mind landry either because honestly one Dline rookie isnt the last piece to the puzzle and we should be building for a SB run in '08 to '10
Isn't this a really, really good reason to take Okoye?
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