Interesting mock draft

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 04-16-2007, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by bigm29

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thats probably the best scenario i can see happening for the skins

i think it sucks

Beemnseven · 04-16-2007, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by offiss

Of coarse, unless you use 1 of those players in a trade for need with someone else.

But to say there are no other players of need besides DL is also insane, and one of the reasons we have zero pass rush is why? Perhaps last season addressing of this very need in Carter? Obviously that hasen't worked out has it? I don't want the same problem next draft a revolving door of DL who don't pan out. we have to many holes and 1 legit draft pick, address 1 need? Or address 2 to 3 needs, tough call, I think we roll the dice trade down and get at least Moss and either Blalock or Grubbs, we are not winning the SB next season, so we allow Moss to develope for a year, who knows we may be able to grab another potential starter later in the draft there are some sleepers in this draft, especailly in the defensive backfield.

OK, but why trade one of those players to fill a need when you could have drafted to address the need in the first place?

I'm with you on trading down -- and it's maddening that since we pissed this year's draft away, we now have to scramble to patch together a selection of draft picks which is the way we should have been building this team to begin with.

We have needs just about everywhere, no one denies that. And I don't think anyone's under the delusion that we can fix all of our problems with just 4 picks in one draft. For this season, I think we're set at quarterback, running back, and wide receiver.

But when your defense is in complete shambles across the board (with the possible exception of linebacker) you have to start somewhere. As it is said everywhere by anyone who understands the game of football: it all starts up front. If you have a pass rush, that makes up for deficiencies in the secondary. When you have run stuffing defensive tackles, that makes average linebackers look like solid Pro Bowlers.

The reason we have no pass rush is not because they went after Andre Carter. I think Carter gave us about what was expected given his track record -- in other words, he was never a sack-master in San Fran, so my expectations of him weren't as high as others, and I suspect, the coaches. All in all, he was a disappointment. But to say that the way to improve the pass rush is to ignore it and draft elsewhere is completely nonsensical. Carter hasn't worked out because he was the wrong player -- not because he's a defensive end.

You will have the same problem with the D-line next year if last year's old, washed up, rickety D-line comes back and gives us the same results. We still have to find their replacements.

Maybe I'm reading you wrong, but it sounds like you believe the way to build up a football team is to ignore the weaknesses and draft players that don't have anything to do with strengthening those weaknesses.

Because you were wrong once with a player doesn't mean you never address that player's position again.

Beemnseven · 04-17-2007, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by offiss

My feeling is this, I see a lot of D-lineman in this draft as well as DE's, if we trade down we can still get what I believe will be a good one in Moss, who may have the most upside of any DE, this should allow us to draft what I believe may be our biggest need [although overlooked] and that's a bonified stud at guard.

Did you know that for the price of Andre Carter we could have signed Drew Brees? Sickening.

Anyway, as for LaRon Landry -- how could we take him at #6 and still have access to another D-lineman later on in the first or second round? The way people talk about Landry, if we try and trade down even just a few spots, he won't be there. Teams are reportedly trying to trade UP to get him.

I've never believed O-guard was a big need even with the loss of Dockery. I feel like a veteran journeyman could fill in adequately this year; maybe look for a guard in next year's draft class.

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-17-2007, 10:05 AM

Hindsight is always 20/20 though. With all I'm reading about Okoye, I'm more than fine with sitting and taking him at six. We'll worry about using all those draft picks next year.

Mattyk · 04-17-2007, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by offiss

The Carter deal is a real problem for us in all aspects, a lot of money for a guy who may be the equal to AA as a DE?

I think that's taking it a bit too far. Carter at least finished the season on the field and his play really picked up down the stretch. Look at his stats from the 5 December games... 33 total tackles, 4 sacks. Granted that doesn't excuse the first 11 games but at least he showed us something to look forward to for this year.

Arch on the other hand was a complete disaster.

redskins159 · 04-17-2007, 11:41 AM

I would love to have two first rounders, but the Patriots will unlikely trade up with multiple first round picks. New England is one of the best drafting teams in the nfl and could probobly get more out of two 1st round picks than just one high 1st round picks. The skins should try to trade down to Mia. or Atl and still get the D line help they need.

redskins159 · 04-17-2007, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Did you know that for the price of Andre Carter we could have signed Drew Brees? Sickening.

Anyway, as for LaRon Landry -- how could we take him at #6 and still have access to another D-lineman later on in the first or second round? The way people talk about Landry, if we try and trade down even just a few spots, he won't be there. Teams are reportedly trying to trade UP to get him.

I've never believed O-guard was a big need even with the loss of Dockery. I feel like a veteran journeyman could fill in adequately this year; maybe look for a guard in next year's draft class.

I agree that we really need to focus on the O-line...it was the only real bright spot from the team last year. If thier play is strong and we can repeat the running game from a year ago and the d steps up we might take the division.

JoeRedskin · 04-17-2007, 12:06 PM

Is the draft here yet?

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-17-2007, 03:07 PM

But how often are there "can't miss" DT prospects in the draft? I don't think there really ever are. Okoye is about as highly rated as you can get, AND with all that upside. His age, smarts and heart are ALL assets.

04-17-2007, 10:05 AM	#49
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 31 Posts: 17,120	Re: Interesting mock draft Hindsight is always 20/20 though. With all I'm reading about Okoye, I'm more than fine with sitting and taking him at six. We'll worry about using all those draft picks next year. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

04-17-2007, 11:41 AM	#51
redskins159 Camp Scrub Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Rockton Il. Posts: 36	Re: Interesting mock draft I would love to have two first rounders, but the Patriots will unlikely trade up with multiple first round picks. New England is one of the best drafting teams in the nfl and could probobly get more out of two 1st round picks than just one high 1st round picks. The skins should try to trade down to Mia. or Atl and still get the D line help they need.

04-17-2007, 12:06 PM	#53
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 50 Posts: 7,166	Re: Interesting mock draft Is the draft here yet? __________________ My Little Pony: Friendship is magic? or ... a repressive matriarchal society where individuals' roles are defined by their immutable physical characteristics and governance is reserved for those who demonstrate the genetic purity of the pony master race?

04-17-2007, 03:07 PM	#54
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 31 Posts: 17,120	Re: Interesting mock draft But how often are there "can't miss" DT prospects in the draft? I don't think there really ever are. Okoye is about as highly rated as you can get, AND with all that upside. His age, smarts and heart are ALL assets. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

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