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Old 04-17-2007, 02:30 PM   #16
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Mark it down: If we have to spend another year with Griffin and Salave'a in the middle with nobody other than Golston and Montgomery backing them up, we'll be gored up the middle from the very first carry, week in and week out.

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Old 04-17-2007, 02:45 PM   #17
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There is no way this organization will draft a defensive lineman. It's just not attractive and exciting enough of a position to make the kind of media splash this organization craves.

Although I am 99.99999% certain he will be gone if the Skins stay at 6, if he is available the Skins will draft QB Jamarcus Russell.
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Old 04-17-2007, 02:49 PM   #18
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What's unfortunate is that I think the glitz of the big FA signing for Redskins nation is no longer enough. We're not enamored by free agents as much as we are WINS now. If the front office doesn't see it, then Danny needs to get his hand off his shaft to the thought of signing Calvin Johnson or anyone else we DON'T need. While we might not be coaches, there is one constant that most of the organization hasn't had:

We've been fans since we've been old enough to watch football.

We know what works and what doesn't and again, while we're not coaches, many of us are astute observers of the game.
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Old 04-17-2007, 02:58 PM   #19
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There is no way this organization will draft a defensive lineman. It's just not attractive and exciting enough of a position to make the kind of media splash this organization craves.

Although I am 99.99999% certain he will be gone if the Skins stay at 6, if he is available the Skins will draft QB Jamarcus Russell.
Russell?

You're on crack.
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Old 04-17-2007, 03:04 PM   #20
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There is no way this organization will draft a defensive lineman. It's just not attractive and exciting enough of a position to make the kind of media splash this organization craves.

Although I am 99.99999% certain he will be gone if the Skins stay at 6, if he is available the Skins will draft QB Jamarcus Russell.
Are you kidding? I am desperately looking for sarcasm here, but I can't find it. D-lineman is not an "attractive and exciting enough of a position..." ???? Is it more attractive and exciting to be 27th in the league against the run and have a banged-up, aging D-line with a weak pass rush? It's "attractive and exciting" to win football games. I will argue that regardless of where we end up picking in the first round, we will take the best D-lineman available.
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Old 04-17-2007, 03:25 PM   #21
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Besides, if they wanted to make a splash that badly they had plenty of chances to do so in free agency.

I don't see how they'll totally ignore need positions and go after a QB of all things.

That just makes no sense at all, even for this front office.
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There is no way this organization will draft a defensive lineman. It's just not attractive and exciting enough of a position to make the kind of media splash this organization craves.

Although I am 99.99999% certain he will be gone if the Skins stay at 6, if he is available the Skins will draft QB Jamarcus Russell.
Eesh. Worst post ever.

Defensive End is an incredibly sexy position. It doesn't get much better than sacking the QB, it's like baseball's homerun. Maybe you were speaking about DT. But even that, I don't see it. A stud DT is a pretty splashy move. Warren Sapp in his prime ring any bells?

And there's no way we'll draft a QB. That's just ridiculous.
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Old 04-17-2007, 04:45 PM   #23
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Is it more attractive and exciting to be 27th in the league against the run and have a banged-up, aging D-line with a weak pass rush?
That's a question for the coaches/front office -- I'm not convinced they're actually going to draft a D-lineman.
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That's a question for the coaches/front office -- I'm not convinced they're actually going to draft a D-lineman.
I don't think the coaches are really worried about what's "attractive and exciting." I think they're worried about what puts us in the best position to win ball games. I was just quoting Irish.

All I'm saying is there's no denying it's a definite area of pressing need. So if we end up taking a guy like Landry and don't draft any D-lineman, do you not agree we have to take more steps to address the position? We'd have to get a guy after the June 1st cuts (maybe a Kris Jenkins).
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Not so fast. It depends how they really feel about Campbell. The quarterback position dwarfs all others by comparison and it is the one position we have not had a real player at forever. If Campbell pans out and we have Russell in the fold and he shows signs we could trade him for a LOT of draft picks. We might suffer for it next year but shoring up the QB position ala NE and Indy should be priority number one for the health and future of this franchise. It would be highly controversial but if they have serious doubts about Campbell then drafting a QB if he falls is not crazy but thinking ahead. If they are really confident in Campbell there is zero need and they won't do it unless we don't get any acceptable offers for the pick in terms of value. We must all face the fact that if Campbell doesn't pan out we are sunk. I for one think we should always draft BPA until we KNOW we have a real QB.
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Not so fast. It depends how they really feel about Campbell. The quarterback position dwarfs all others by comparison and it is the one position we have not had a real player at forever. If Campbell pans out and we have Russell in the fold and he shows signs we could trade him for a LOT of draft picks. We might suffer for it next year but shoring up the QB position ala NE and Indy should be priority number one for the health and future of this franchise. It would be highly controversial but if they have serious doubts about Campbell then drafting a QB if he falls is not crazy but thinking ahead. If they are really confident in Campbell there is zero need and they won't do it unless we don't get any acceptable offers for the pick in terms of value. We must all face the fact that if Campbell doesn't pan out we are sunk. I for one think we should always draft BPA until we KNOW we have a real QB.
But that would be repetitive. Everyone was so shocked when we gave Brunell all that money and still went out and traded multiple draft picks to move up to get Campbell in the first round. Brunell was a proven starter in the league at that time, plus we had Ramsey, and yet we still got Campbell b/c we needed a future (Ramsey was a Spurrier/Snyder pick, Gibbs was never sold on him). I think the coaches are now confident in JC. Signing a young, effective backup wouldn't be a bad idea in the near future, but taking another QB in the 1st round would be a waste. If we did, it would be the 3rd time in 6 years. No one does that, especially a team with as few draft picks as the Skins.
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What about Joe Thomas from Wisconsin, he is amazing no matter what, even though I am a Badger fan.
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Russell?

You're on crack.
I'll second that! Drugs kill brain cells, not any left on that statement.
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Old 04-17-2007, 05:21 PM   #29
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All I'm saying is there's no denying it's a definite area of pressing need. So if we end up taking a guy like Landry and don't draft any D-lineman, do you not agree we have to take more steps to address the position? We'd have to get a guy after the June 1st cuts (maybe a Kris Jenkins).
Absolutely. They should get both Jenkins and Ian Scott if they don't use their draft picks for D-linemen. My personal feeling is that Griffin and Salave's are both done; that they have been totally milked for all they're worth. The biggest fear I have is that the coaching staff believes they are fine with the current front four.

If Ian Scott is available now, why haven't they snatched him up? They've shown interest in every other aspect of defense (linebacker and secondary) other than the defensive line. That's why I'm starting to have this feeling that maybe they're not even considering DE or DT. Maybe they felt like last year's drafting of Golston and Montgomery, along with the signing of Andre Carter shored up any weaknesses at the front four.

The more I hear about Landry, the less irate I feel like I would be if we actually drafted him -- but that's assuming they pick up a defensive tackle or end somehow, somewhere. I'd be fitted for a straight-jacket if they completely ignore the front four and went for Landry then did something really stupid and pulled off a trade for an offensive guard or something.
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Absolutely. They should get both Jenkins and Ian Scott if they don't use their draft picks for D-linemen. My personal feeling is that Griffin and Salave's are both done; that they have been totally milked for all they're worth. The biggest fear I have is that the coaching staff believes they are fine with the current front four.

If Ian Scott is available now, why haven't they snatched him up? They've shown interest in every other aspect of defense (linebacker and secondary) other than the defensive line. That's why I'm starting to have this feeling that maybe they're not even considering DE or DT. Maybe they felt like last year's drafting of Golston and Montgomery, along with the signing of Andre Carter shored up any weaknesses at the front four.

The more I hear about Landry, the less irate I feel like I would be if we actually drafted him -- but that's assuming they pick up a defensive tackle or end somehow, somewhere. I'd be fitted for a straight-jacket if they completely ignore the front four and went for Landry then did something really stupid and pulled off a trade for an offensive guard or something.
Yeah, I hear ya. Landry would be great provided we still significantly address the D-line. I know Gibbs is obsessive about preparation and planning. Maybe he has a solid plan in place about what to do with the D-line, and maybe nothing has happened yet to put a kink in his plan. Wishful thinking? I really, really think we should take a good hard look at Kris Jenkins, even if we do draft a d-lineman.
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