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Old 04-19-2007, 12:49 AM   #16
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Re: The downside to trading down.

I love the NFL, baseball season is starting up, the NBA playoffs are about to begin, and I just googled hockey and apparently there's some league called the NHL that has playoffs going on right now. I think their games are on Oxygen right after a replay of Oprah.

Anyways, the last time I recall us getting a first round talent in the second round said wideout tore his labrum tying his shoes in his first year, and I think he sprained all three of his knee ligaments when he stepped out of a cab going to the Cherry Blossom Festival in year two. I swear I'm not normally this negative...

If we had a scouting department worth a crap then we would be able to find some players who could excel in our system.
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Old 04-19-2007, 12:58 AM   #17
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How in the world is there a downside to trading down? You can either get 1 Football player or you can get 2. I like the idea of two, yeah, yeah, I think 2 is better than 1.
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Old 04-19-2007, 02:08 AM   #18
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If we trade WAY down, it better be all the way out of the first round. I'm telling you, based on very legit sources, this draft doesn't have a full stock of first round talents. Getting a late first is a terrible move unless it is part of a trade that gets us a BUNCH of seconds, thirds and fourths. For instance, if we got a late first and a second, we have the potential to shell out a lot of cash and have a couple of scrubs in return. Landry is the best athlete IN THE ENTIRE STATE OF LOUISIANA. He will not bust barring injury and he will be a first year starter and projects as a pro bowler. He will help out our entire back seven, allow ST to roam/headhunt, and take pressure off our cornerbacks.

We're going to have our pick of these two. We should at least expect one of them. The DL is in need of some serious attention, I don't deny it, but you can't fix everything in one offseason and passing up on BPA's for need in the NFL draft is crazy talk unless it means us taking Peterson which would be ridiculous. If they wanted a full slate of draft picks they should have thought about it before being complete ass clowns the last couple years. Gains Adams is the next best option IMO. There are questions about how he'd fit in with us, that's why he worries me so high. But if they trade WAY down as you say, there will be no Adams, no Carriker, no Okoye, no Branch, no Landry. If this was a different type of draft, then trading down to the end of the round would be a great idea. This is not the draft to drop out of the top 14 or so. We can't afford to spend first day money on undeserving chumps and projects.

I am hoping for Landry more and more now just to prove all these haters wrong. Like I've been saying, IF we take LL and the team still sucks, there's always 2008. LL is worth top dollar in terms of talent, the question is does he translate into wins? As far as I can see, our success depends more on JC than anyone we draft. If JC plays well, I'll take a LL and ST lead D into any building in the league, and I'll be damn confident too. We'll see what we do. Whatever it is, I am on record as saying it doesn't look good late first round of this draft. Private message me in three years if I'm wrong.
Well, my projections have Gaines Adams going 2nd or 3rd. Not that I'm an expert, but I just don't see him being there when we draft. That will leave Okoye and Landry. While I do like Landry...what's not to like...I think Okoye is the better option. This kid is amazingly talented and he's only 19. How do we even know Landry would fit into our secondary...I mean we did break a once all pro AA.
I just don't put much stock into people saying it's "thin" after a certain amount of players are gone. There have been 4th / 5th / 6th rounders that have become all pro's and some hall of famers. And who is to say that we won't trade our first rounder for a 1st rounder in 08 and a first rounder in 09 or something like that? There are a million options.
Who knows...you may be right...but why convince us? We don't make the decisions. We (the Redskins) may make a horrible choice in our draft pick...it wouldn't be the first time.
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How in the world is there a downside to trading down? You can either get 1 Football player or you can get 2. I like the idea of two, yeah, yeah, I think 2 is better than 1.
depends on how far we go down
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Old 04-19-2007, 03:42 PM   #20
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How in the world is there a downside to trading down? You can either get 1 Football player or you can get 2. I like the idea of two, yeah, yeah, I think 2 is better than 1.
Well you can get 1 Pro-Bowler (Okoye) or two starters that might pan out. Tommie Harris is greater than Tank Johnson and Bernard Berrian. Remember in 2003 when the Cardinals traded down from 6 to 17 and 18. At 6 they could have taken Kevin Williams, Terrance Newman, Jordan Gross, Byron Leftwich, Terrell Suggs, or Marcus Trufant. Instead they ended up with Calvin Pace and Bryant Johnson.

Then again nothings a gurantee as far as the drafts concerned. I say stay pat a 6 and take Okoye, or trade down to 12 and take Cariker. Other than that keep all of next years pick. Usually when theres a bad draft then you can be fairly confident that the next one will be loaded with talent.
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Old 04-19-2007, 03:45 PM   #21
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I don't even think that Okoye is a guarantee. I think he'll be good, but honestly if we can move to the early tens, I'd LOVE that if we could also pick up a second rounder.
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Old 04-19-2007, 04:20 PM   #22
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As it is seen in every draft there is no down side to trading down. You really never know what your gonna get. There a tons of guys selected in the first round that do not make 3 or 4 years in the NFL. Why not trade down and get 2 or 3 more players that help. That helps all the way around from salary to on the field. Sean Taylor and Jason Campbell were good 1st round selections, but Carlos Rogers is another story. He shows flashes but this will be a make or break year for him. As of right now he may not be starting opposite Springs on opening day. It very well could be Smoot. Other than that look at Ramsey, Jacobs-2nd rounder but high , Desmond Howard, heath Shuler. What i am really trying to state is trading down would honestly be the best option and it will not hurt this team. I still do like Gaines Adams and Laron Landry. But you still do not know if they will be good in the NFL though. So why not trade down and save some money.
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Old 04-19-2007, 05:14 PM   #23
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I don't even think that Okoye is a guarantee. I think he'll be good, but honestly if we can move to the early tens, I'd LOVE that if we could also pick up a second rounder.
Hey if we go down to the ten range, would most people be happy with Branch, Anderson, or Carriker and a second? That doesn't seem bad to me. Is that better than Okoye only?



(Obviously better than LL in most peoples minds, so I won't even ask. :cheeky-sm )
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Old 04-19-2007, 05:21 PM   #24
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Re: The downside to trading down.

Mel Kiper also noted that the value chart is over blown, that it is usually a good thing to have more picks, period. We might not trade because we won't get chart value, he thinks we should be more flexible and realize the benefit of getting a few more choices. If we are truly unconfident in our ability to make mid round selections and turn them into pros, we need a new scouting department IMO.
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Re: The downside to trading down.

I have to say, I'll take a second or third rounder...that's IT. When you get into the fourth and after rounds, it becomes more and more of a crapshoot.
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Old 04-19-2007, 05:23 PM   #26
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Re: The downside to trading down.

If indeed it is a fact there is no player of need worthy of what a #6 pick will command, then the question becomes; what can we possibly expect by trading down? The Redskins have a track record of not drafting well in later rounds, coupled with their seemingly lack of desire to develop young players of lesser talent. My concern with trading down is the quality of talent, and the length of time it will take to develop them. I would hope for at least one impact player with the ability to start as opposed to two or three developmental projects knowing the teams desire for proven players. A team should not have to wait two or three years to reap the benefits of such a high draft position. This team need to concentrate on improving it's defense "now", and should draft accordingly because it hasn't done enough thus far to make a marked improvement.
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Old 04-19-2007, 05:25 PM   #27
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Re: The downside to trading down.

To make the comparison a little fairer, let's suppose our two options are trade down to 7 or 8 and get a shot at LL, Adams or Okoye and a 4th rounder, or going down to 10-14 and while getting a second rounder and whoever's left of Carriker, Branch, Anderson. Which would you prefer?
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The latter.
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To make the comparison a little fairer, let's suppose our two options are trade down to 7 or 8 and get a shot at LL, Adams or Okoye and a 4th rounder, or going down to 10-14 and while getting a second rounder and whoever's left of Carriker, Branch, Anderson. Which would you prefer?

Basically I have no problem with any trade down (providing we have a trade partner) that will render us a player (regardless of position) that will make the roster and contribute this year. I'm not for trading for players we'll have to wait years for them to be ready to play. That would be fine for a team with limited needs, but if the Redskins want to do better than 5-11 this year, we need players that can step in and contribute right away. I've said before, this team is almost set, there's not going to be many additions, therefore the additions we do make must be for quality contributors "now".
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Basically I have no problem with any trade down (providing we have a trade partner) that will render us a player (regardless of position) that will make the roster and contribute this year. I'm not for trading for players we'll have to wait years for them to be ready to play. That would be fine for a team with limited needs, but if the Redskins want to do better than 5-11 this year, we need players that can step in and contribute right away. I've said before, this team is almost set, there's not going to be many additions, therefore the additions we do make must be for quality contributors "now".
Generally, if you have to wait more than a year for a player to be starting quality (quarterbacks are an exception), he's probably not going to be very good.

The name of the game is simple: Just ignore the hype and draft the best prospect. The best prospect will produce at levels respective to his experience, but always at a level higher than lesser prospect.
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