My worst fear

jsarno · 04-21-2007, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I just feel if we moved down to 9, Landry and Okoye would certainly go 7-8. The Dolphins don't have nearly enough picks to compensate us for missing out on our "guy".

If you recall, Gaines Adams, and Jamaal Anderson were neck and neck on the DE scene. For some reason Anderson has dropped from a 10th-20th pick. That kid is a beast, while he reminds me of Javon Kearse, he reminds me of Kearse in terms of injuries too. If he can stay healthy, I actually think he could put up better numbers than Adams over his career. So I'm OK with trading down if we get Anderson.

FRPLG · 04-21-2007, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TenandSix:Unacceptable

I found this on extremeskins:

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blo...me=clayton_john

"The Dolphins are scrambling for a quarterback and would like to get Green before the draft. But what if the Dolphins put a draft-day deadline on making a Green trade? If Brady Quinn slips out of the top five, the Dolphins could trade up from No. 9 to get him. The Redskins would be willing to trade the No. 6 pick. If you look at the trade chart numbers, it would cost the Dolphins a third-round choice to move from No. 9 to No. 6. The Dolphins would then have Quinn and the Chiefs would lose a trading partner for Green."

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In theory this is great, because we still draft high while getting back a pick for the Duckett muff. The problem is that we would have no Okoye or Landry at 9. No Gains Adams either most likely. It could turn into a nightmare scenario as far as I can see. I just imagine us finally valuing draft picks over star power only to pick a bust at 9 and watch as Okoye and Landry tear up the league for years to come. I think I might be too obsessed with those players, but passing on them and getting a 3rd rounder as insurance on who we draft at 9 sounds sketchy to me, especially with the recent news about Branch's legs. We'd be pretty much be forced to draft Anderson at 9 or go in a completely different direction.

My ideal scenario would be that Quinn, Okoye and LL fall to 6, and that Minn or Atl trade up with us for a fourth so they can have their pick of the three. We could potentially still add one of those guys and get a pick. The worst case scenario with that type of trade is us having Quinn at 8 and that Atl and Minn take Okoye and LL. We could potentially move down again with the ND QB sitting in our laps and it would give us a lot more leverage than, let's say, Peterson at 9. Teams know we CAN´T draft a RB. We COULD draft Quinn if no one offers us suitable value and trade him later to the highest bidder.

Thoughts?

PS- Man, all these possibilities are making my head spin. I'm probably putting WAY too much thought to this. I think I should stick myself into a pre-draft hiatus.

There's almost no way Landry, Okoye and Adams are gone at 9. If they are then there are some highly desirable names left and we could probably trade back even more.

jsarno · 04-21-2007, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

There's almost no way Landry, Okoye and Adams are gone at 9. If they are then there are some highly desirable names left and we could probably trade back even more.

I don't see how your point would be true...I would expect all three to be gone as well, so please explain why you think they will not be gone.

GTripp0012 · 04-21-2007, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jsarno

I don't see how your point would be true...I would expect all three to be gone as well, so please explain why you think they will not be gone.

We don't know who in the top 5 value's Gaines Adams outside of Detriot, so if he falls past Detroit, he should still be around at 9

jsarno · 04-21-2007, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

We don't know who in the top 5 value's Gaines Adams outside of Detriot, so if he falls past Detroit, he should still be around at 9

I just really feel these other teams would scoop him up first. So assume he does slip past detroit...someone other than Tampa is likely to get CJ, so they would take Adams...Atlanta would take Adams too. There are many teams that would take him...especially since everyone is so high on him being the next Bruce Smith.

SC Skins Fan · 04-21-2007, 02:29 PM

We don't know what will happen, we just have a bunch of mock drafts to go on. Who thought Buffalo would take Donte Wittner at #8 overall last year, no one. I did, however, just hear a mock draft done by Mel Kiper and Todd McShay on ESPN Radio (they alternated picks). They had CJ go #2 to Tampa Bay who traded up with Detroit. Adams go to Detroit at #4, the Redskins Trade back with Miami to #9 and in return get Miami's 2nd 2nd Round pick (#60 Overall and maybe something else later on), so Miami could take Brady Quinn at #6. Then at #7 Minnesota went Landry and at #8 Atlanta went Levi Brown. That left Okoye for the Skins at #9. Everyone thinks Atlanta would take Okoye if Landry weren't there because Petrino coached him in college, but we don't know that. The real key is that McShay had Cleveland take Peterson over Quinn at #3. That will be where things really start to shake out as far as the Redskins are concerned because it will all depend on whether Quinn is there at #6. I emphasize that we do not know how this thing will play out and we also don't know who will turn out to be any good. I've jumped on the Okoye bandwagon myself, but after his Senior season he was probably only a 2nd round pick. His stock has jumped up tremendously due to the Senior Bowl and his workouts, he might be very good, but that is not assured, that is why you need more chances because you have more opportunities to hit on someone. Picking at #9 and #60 would give the Skins a shot at 2 starters as opposed to only one.

SC Skins Fan · 04-21-2007, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

We don't know who in the top 5 value's Gaines Adams outside of Detriot, so if he falls past Detroit, he should still be around at 9

Well depending on what happened to CJ and Joe Thomas you could see him go to Tampa or Arizona. I'd say it would be unlikely for him to reach #9, but if he did fall that would probably mean Minnesota (former first rounder Kenechi Udezi started every game and go 0 sacks last year) or Atlanta (who lost Pat Kerney) would almost certainly take him, leaving Okoye for the Skins at #9. There are a million ways this could go, we'll just have to wait.

jsarno · 04-22-2007, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

We don't know what will happen, we just have a bunch of mock drafts to go on. Who thought Buffalo would take Donte Wittner at #8 overall last year, no one. I did, however, just hear a mock draft done by Mel Kiper and Todd McShay on ESPN Radio (they alternated picks). They had CJ go #2 to Tampa Bay who traded up with Detroit. Adams go to Detroit at #4, the Redskins Trade back with Miami to #9 and in return get Miami's 2nd 2nd Round pick (#60 Overall and maybe something else later on), so Miami could take Brady Quinn at #6. Then at #7 Minnesota went Landry and at #8 Atlanta went Levi Brown. That left Okoye for the Skins at #9. Everyone thinks Atlanta would take Okoye if Landry weren't there because Petrino coached him in college, but we don't know that. The real key is that McShay had Cleveland take Peterson over Quinn at #3. That will be where things really start to shake out as far as the Redskins are concerned because it will all depend on whether Quinn is there at #6. I emphasize that we do not know how this thing will play out and we also don't know who will turn out to be any good. I've jumped on the Okoye bandwagon myself, but after his Senior season he was probably only a 2nd round pick. His stock has jumped up tremendously due to the Senior Bowl and his workouts, he might be very good, but that is not assured, that is why you need more chances because you have more opportunities to hit on someone. Picking at #9 and #60 would give the Skins a shot at 2 starters as opposed to only one.

I'll take that scenario.

Rajmahal33 · 04-23-2007, 12:59 AM

All this talk of the draft charts and values for picks is just a bunch of speculating in my opinion. If quinn drops to the 6th pick and teams are interested enough in him there could be a bidding war and nobody can predict this. Its fun to throw out scenarios, but the draft is almost here so I'm content to wait and keep my BP down.

KLHJ2 · 04-23-2007, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

All this talk of the draft charts and values for picks is just a bunch of speculating in my opinion. If quinn drops to the 6th pick and teams are interested enough in him there could be a bidding war and nobody can predict this. Its fun to throw out scenarios, but the draft is almost here so I'm content to wait and keep my BP down.

Well put.

ncskinsfanec · 04-23-2007, 03:13 PM

Is it just me, or are people way too obsessed with the draft? I'm looking forward to September no matter who we draft. Until then it's NBA Playoffs and golf for me. I'll watch it between picks 1-6 but that's about it.

jsarno · 04-23-2007, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ncskinsfanec

Is it just me, or are people way too obsessed with the draft? I'm looking forward to September no matter who we draft. Until then it's NBA Playoffs and golf for me. I'll watch it between picks 1-6 but that's about it.

I haven't been this interested in the draft since Arrington's draft. Although, I'm betting that's cause we haven't had THIS high of a pick since then.

ESPN is saying that we are likely to trade down and still get our man...we'll see.

Beemnseven · 04-23-2007, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ncskinsfanec

Is it just me, or are people way too obsessed with the draft? I'm looking forward to September no matter who we draft. Until then it's NBA Playoffs and golf for me. I'll watch it between picks 1-6 but that's about it.

Nope. I'm a football fanatic so I'll be watching quite a bit. The NFL Draft is the only thing that wakes me from my February to August sports hibernation.

I hate/depise/abhor/loathe baseball and NASCAR, not into NBA or Golf, so I can't really call myself a "sports" fan -- but since football has such a long offseason, this is the biggest thing during that time span that NFL fans have to look forward to. I think that's why it seems to get bigger every year.

SantanaMan · 04-23-2007, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jsarno

I haven't been this interested in the draft since Arrington's draft. Although, I'm betting that's cause we haven't had THIS high of a pick since then.

ESPN is saying that we are likely to trade down and still get our man...we'll see.

We took Sean Taylor with the 5th pick in the 2004 draft.

GusFrerotte · 04-23-2007, 06:39 PM

I agree with Reaper on this one. At #9 we really don't lose much since there are a lot of 1st round D linemen out there and we get a 3rd rounder out of it as well. Only guys that go in the first 3 rounds have any chance of making an impact. Very few 5th or 6th rounders and below make the team anyway and at best are practice squad bodies or sent to the "minors" in Europe. 3rd rounders usually at least can make special teams if not honestly vye to start.

04-21-2007, 02:29 PM	#21
SC Skins Fan The Starter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,554	Re: My worst fear We don't know what will happen, we just have a bunch of mock drafts to go on. Who thought Buffalo would take Donte Wittner at #8 overall last year, no one. I did, however, just hear a mock draft done by Mel Kiper and Todd McShay on ESPN Radio (they alternated picks). They had CJ go #2 to Tampa Bay who traded up with Detroit. Adams go to Detroit at #4, the Redskins Trade back with Miami to #9 and in return get Miami's 2nd 2nd Round pick (#60 Overall and maybe something else later on), so Miami could take Brady Quinn at #6. Then at #7 Minnesota went Landry and at #8 Atlanta went Levi Brown. That left Okoye for the Skins at #9. Everyone thinks Atlanta would take Okoye if Landry weren't there because Petrino coached him in college, but we don't know that. The real key is that McShay had Cleveland take Peterson over Quinn at #3. That will be where things really start to shake out as far as the Redskins are concerned because it will all depend on whether Quinn is there at #6. I emphasize that we do not know how this thing will play out and we also don't know who will turn out to be any good. I've jumped on the Okoye bandwagon myself, but after his Senior season he was probably only a 2nd round pick. His stock has jumped up tremendously due to the Senior Bowl and his workouts, he might be very good, but that is not assured, that is why you need more chances because you have more opportunities to hit on someone. Picking at #9 and #60 would give the Skins a shot at 2 starters as opposed to only one. __________________ It has taken a long time, but I have finally realized that nothing I say about the Redskins will have any effect upon anything the Redskins do.

04-23-2007, 12:59 AM	#24
Rajmahal33 Special Teams Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 478	Re: My worst fear All this talk of the draft charts and values for picks is just a bunch of speculating in my opinion. If quinn drops to the 6th pick and teams are interested enough in him there could be a bidding war and nobody can predict this. Its fun to throw out scenarios, but the draft is almost here so I'm content to wait and keep my BP down. __________________ McNasty FTW!

04-23-2007, 03:13 PM	#26
ncskinsfanec Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 432	Re: My worst fear Is it just me, or are people way too obsessed with the draft? I'm looking forward to September no matter who we draft. Until then it's NBA Playoffs and golf for me. I'll watch it between picks 1-6 but that's about it.

04-23-2007, 06:39 PM	#30
GusFrerotte Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit area Posts: 3,961	Re: My worst fear I agree with Reaper on this one. At #9 we really don't lose much since there are a lot of 1st round D linemen out there and we get a 3rd rounder out of it as well. Only guys that go in the first 3 rounds have any chance of making an impact. Very few 5th or 6th rounders and below make the team anyway and at best are practice squad bodies or sent to the "minors" in Europe. 3rd rounders usually at least can make special teams if not honestly vye to start.

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