Is trading down worth giving up the chance to take a future Pro-Bowler

Schneed10 · 04-24-2007, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

what about merriman

Merriman goes right to my point, he was drafted at pick #11.

There's no reason you can't get an impact player at a spot like 11. It's not like pick 6 is the only place we'll be able to find an impact player in this draft. There will be some impact players available at all stages of round 1. It's just a matter of identifying who they are, and being willing to have the patience to let them fall down the board to us. That's certainly the hard part of this whole thing; but trading down would be worth the payoff if it means we have a chance to add 2 or 3 players at positions of need rather than just 1.

Mattyk · 04-24-2007, 10:22 AM

What makes Okoye a can't miss, future Pro Bowler?

SC Skins Fan · 04-24-2007, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

What makes Okoye a can't miss, future Pro Bowler?

Nothing, and though most don't like Pasquarelli he does have an article on ESPN.com that goes right to this point.

Excerpt:
"Since 2000, there have been 26 defensive tackles selected in the first round and 59 chosen as first-day picks. Only six have played in even one Pro Bowl game, and 15 are out of the NFL entirely right now. The 2001 draft produced five of the six Pro Bowl tackles chosen since 2000 -- Seymour, Stroud, Casey Hampton, Jenkins and Rogers -- and the league might never see such a bounty at the position again."

Full Article:
ESPN.com - NFL/DRAFT07 - Pasquarelli: Teams struggle to find right inside man

Schneed10 · 04-24-2007, 10:34 AM

By the way, slightly unrelated, but speaking of trading picks, what are the chances that we trade one of next year's picks for some pick in round 2 or 3?

freddyg12 · 04-24-2007, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

By the way, slightly unrelated, but speaking of trading picks, what are the chances that we trade one of next year's picks for some pick in round 2 or 3?

I'd ordinarily say pretty high, but we've shown some restraint this year. I think Gibbs will want to do some deals but will be a lot stingier in negotiations & nothing will happen.

Mattyk · 04-24-2007, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

By the way, slightly unrelated, but speaking of trading picks, what are the chances that we trade one of next year's picks for some pick in round 2 or 3?

Man I really hope not... but knowing the way the Skins operate you can't rule anything out.

Beemnseven · 04-24-2007, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

No. I think Landry is awesome (just like I think CJ is) but you build in the trenches. We need to strengthen that D-line. But when you talk about a guy like Okoye, or even Anderson or J. Moss I think you're looking at someone who probably won't be a major factor in 2007 (but could be for years to come). In the long run, that'll be more beneficial than Landry starting right away in 2007.

I just wonder if fans have the patience for that.

That all depends on how well Griffin and Salave'a hold up against the run -- so in that sense, we may not have to wait as long as you think.

budw38 · 04-24-2007, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

By the way, slightly unrelated, but speaking of trading picks, what are the chances that we trade one of next year's picks for some pick in round 2 or 3?

I would guess that will happen if the skins see a guy in the third round that they had rated as an early 2nd rd pick . I imagine if they are very high on a pass rusher who " slips " too far , they might make a trade . Lets just hope we get some impact from our draft this year and some returns down the road !

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 04-24-2007, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

what about merriman

Should I name the other 8 billion high draft picks who have been complete busts?

diehardskin2982 · 04-24-2007, 11:26 AM

Nobody can predict the future. Based on what would be best for the team I think trading down and taking Alan Branch would be best. As far as he drops, the farther we go down taking as many picks as we can in the process... Like the ramsey draft. Pick up Brandon Merriweather in the second, then a gaurd in the 3rd. Whether or not we have the discipline to do that is yet to be seen.

Bill B · 04-24-2007, 11:37 AM

One important issue to consider that has not been talked about is the cap savings a team can get by trading down. Right now at #6 it would be practical to say the Redskins wil pay something similar to what the 49ers gave Vernon Davis (he was the 6th pick of the draft last year). Vernon Davis got a contract totaling $23-$25 million with $15 million in gurantees - see link below
ESPN.com - NFL - Niners make No. 6 pick Davis highest-paid tight end

So to me trading down offers an enticing benefit of not only acquiring more picks in lower rounds (which helps with depth and also gives you more chances at selecting a diamond in the rough), but it also helps minimize the future cap hit if the first rounder you do select is a bust since the lower in the first round you go the lower the required signing bonus becomes.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 04-24-2007, 11:41 AM

Good point re: salary cap considerations. As I posted in another thread, for those of you who want to trade up to #2 to nab CJ, just consider that Reggie Bush got $23M guaranteed on a deal averaging $10M per year. Aside from Brady, Manning, Palmer, or Brees, is there anyone worth $10M per year?

GTripp0012 · 04-24-2007, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

What makes Okoye a can't miss, future Pro Bowler?

What makes him a can't miss? His age combined with his college experience and productivity and the value of the position on the field he plays.

What makes him a pro bowler? An educated guess. It's impossible to predict historic greatness, and not a whole lot easier to predict pro bowl type greatness.

You've just got to take the best prospect and hope for the best.

GTripp0012 · 04-24-2007, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

That all depends on how well Griffin and Salave'a hold up against the run -- so in that sense, we may not have to wait as long as you think.

Well if they don't think he's ready, they try Golston first. Might produce the same effect though.

Schneed10 · 04-24-2007, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

What makes him a can't miss? His age combined with his college experience and productivity and the value of the position on the field he plays.

What makes him a pro bowler? An educated guess. It's impossible to predict historic greatness, and not a whole lot easier to predict pro bowl type greatness.

You've just got to take the best prospect and hope for the best.

So... what you're saying is he's not a can't-miss. That's the whole point.

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04-24-2007, 11:37 AM	#41
Bill B Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 721	Re: Is trading down worth giving up the chance to take a future Pro-Bowler One important issue to consider that has not been talked about is the cap savings a team can get by trading down. Right now at #6 it would be practical to say the Redskins wil pay something similar to what the 49ers gave Vernon Davis (he was the 6th pick of the draft last year). Vernon Davis got a contract totaling $23-$25 million with $15 million in gurantees - see link below ESPN.com - NFL - Niners make No. 6 pick Davis highest-paid tight end So to me trading down offers an enticing benefit of not only acquiring more picks in lower rounds (which helps with depth and also gives you more chances at selecting a diamond in the rough), but it also helps minimize the future cap hit if the first rounder you do select is a bust since the lower in the first round you go the lower the required signing bonus becomes.

04-24-2007, 11:41 AM	#42
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 34 Posts: 8,317	Re: Is trading down worth giving up the chance to take a future Pro-Bowler Good point re: salary cap considerations. As I posted in another thread, for those of you who want to trade up to #2 to nab CJ, just consider that Reggie Bush got $23M guaranteed on a deal averaging $10M per year. Aside from Brady, Manning, Palmer, or Brees, is there anyone worth $10M per year?

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