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Old 05-03-2007, 12:29 AM   #16
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ESPN.com: SPORTSNATION - Consensus NFL Draft Grades

Washington Redskins have the lowest rated draft.
I bet 95% of the people who voted in this thing know very little about football anyway, so it is very worthless and inconsequential to even take it the least bit seriously. Those people who grade drafts (like Mr. Perm Kiper, who probably could discuss hair care with John Edwards) are usually pretty worthless as well. Only time will tell who did well and who didn't.
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Old 05-03-2007, 08:29 AM   #17
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The grade that was given to us was a result of not having draft picks, they could have given us that grade before we ever made a selection, the fact is they say we had the worst draft, and yet we did draft the best defensive player in the draft according to most of these same experts. Funny I wonder what they were expecting from the 5th rd on? Blades? I can't complain about that pick, saw some highlights, the kid is a player. Not expecting much from the rest, but considering what we had to work with I will take those 2 and be happy, although we should have drafted Crosby.

You would be hard pressed to find some one more criticle than I when it comes to personel moves by us, but I was impressed with the fact they were able to resist the temptation to draft DL when none of these guys will be as good at thier positions as Landry will be at his. And yes he does fill a huge need, there is a reason AA was ripped constantly by most of us here last season, it wasen't because he wasen't playing a position of significance, we found out how significant a safety is especially in williams defense.

Right now I am more concerned with who will play left guard than the play of a healthy D-line. Williams has what he needs on defense now he can bring pressure from other areas so long as we can now cover in the secondary.
I am shocked and awed, that.....this .....day, has come. I agree with O's post!
While I do not put much stock in the opinions of the avalanche of media ninny's that load the airwaves with their jackassery of stupidity, note the following. Mel K. Jr is one I consider knowledgeable.
I was listening to the ESPN overnight, last night in Mel K. jr interview about, HOW the Redskins draft could be rated above numerous other teams with a full range of picks?
MK responded that the Skins had a good draft with a GREAT pick of Landry in the first, being the "best D pick" avaliable in the draft. "They also certainly took care of some depth (if not some starting help) in the later rounds with some savvy picks". "Had they had a full compliment of picks, they would have been near the top in my opinion".
Good to hear from MK.
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draft grades and what those "experts" say doesn't mean squat. I thought we needed some D line help, but hey we got the best defensive player coming out of college. You have to pick him at 6. if not trade out and that wasn't happening. DT or DE, to me, just isn't worth the 6th pick, especially the talent coming out, it just wasn't worth it. of course Joe and Co. will always put a spin on things, but he attributed some of the D line struggles to the secondary. only rushing 3 sometimes 2 trying to put more people in coverage. Daniels and Wynn both said basically the same thing. makes sense, if you secondary and lock down the receivers, that allows the D line and LB's to be more aggressive.

interesting point. Our D line was not that impressive in 2005, not a ton better than last year - however it was not a big issue because of the winning streak and the playoff birth. amazing how winning sort of hides some areas of concern.
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Old 05-03-2007, 09:02 AM   #19
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draft grades and what those "experts" say doesn't mean squat. I thought we needed some D line help, but hey we got the best defensive player coming out of college. You have to pick him at 6. if not trade out and that wasn't happening. DT or DE, to me, just isn't worth the 6th pick, especially the talent coming out, it just wasn't worth it. of course Joe and Co. will always put a spin on things, but he attributed some of the D line struggles to the secondary. only rushing 3 sometimes 2 trying to put more people in coverage. Daniels and Wynn both said basically the same thing. makes sense, if you secondary and lock down the receivers, that allows the D line and LB's to be more aggressive.

interesting point. Our D line was not that impressive in 2005, not a ton better than last year - however it was not a big issue because of the winning streak and the playoff birth. amazing how winning sort of hides some areas of concern.
I read much of the same stuff. I must say, it adds a different slant to the picture. I see the logic in what has been said about reinforcing the secondary, especially with the apparent lack of good "trade down" oppurtunities for a D-lineman. it will be interesting to see................I hope
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Right now I am more concerned with who will play left guard than the play of a healthy D-line. Williams has what he needs on defense now he can bring pressure from other areas so long as we can now cover in the secondary.
OK, lets say that, for sake of argument, Williams does a brilliant job this season and provides a one year stopgap solution to our defensive woes.

And I'm talking the greatest coaching job by a DC ever.

What happens in 2008 now that we still have no young DLmen? Almost certainly another 2006--best case scenario. We will be dealing with two regressions:

1) the normal age regression
2) the regression from the greatest coaching job ever to a more reasonable average performance

A defensive rank of 30 in 2008 seems, if anything, a bit optimistic.
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Old 05-03-2007, 01:48 PM   #21
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draft grades and what those "experts" say doesn't mean squat. I thought we needed some D line help, but hey we got the best defensive player coming out of college. You have to pick him at 6. if not trade out and that wasn't happening. DT or DE, to me, just isn't worth the 6th pick, especially the talent coming out, it just wasn't worth it. of course Joe and Co. will always put a spin on things, but he attributed some of the D line struggles to the secondary. only rushing 3 sometimes 2 trying to put more people in coverage. Daniels and Wynn both said basically the same thing. makes sense, if you secondary and lock down the receivers, that allows the D line and LB's to be more aggressive.

interesting point. Our D line was not that impressive in 2005, not a ton better than last year - however it was not a big issue because of the winning streak and the playoff birth. amazing how winning sort of hides some areas of concern.
Ok, but if you believe that these "experts" know squat, and I am in total agreement with that, then what in the world are you basing your assumption that Landry is the best defensive player in the draft on? Your hours upon hours of film study of all the top prospects?

Maybe I'm sounding a bit harsh, which is the last thing I'm trying to do, but isn't your assumption that Landry is the best player in the draft based on a collection of opinions from the so called "experts" that you and I demean?

I would be shocked and stunned at the same time if six years down the road, Landry has won more games for his team than Okoye one for his. This is because Okoye lines up right next to the ball, and Landry 12 yards away. There would have to be some sort of unforseen talent gap to make Landry the best "defensive player in the draft", as a safety.

I think we can all agree that Sean Taylor is NOT a better defensive player then Tommie Harris, even though all the experts thought he would be.
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Old 05-03-2007, 01:59 PM   #22
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I love this! I believe we are officially back in underdog mode. Feels like 05!

I wouldn't put too much into this because everyone has different criteria. If the criteria is what did you do w/the picks you had, I think Kiper gives a good & fair position on this; we picked well but didn't have enough to get a higher grade.

I really wanted a DE from this draft, but after further review I see the front office's direction. While I would've taken Okoye, I do think the late round picks were great, except for the TE from michigan. But like everybody here, I'm not a scout & can only go by what I read.

Overall, I have good feelings about this draft & a couple of the guys we got unrestricted, especially Hickman.
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