Nfl draft order..Bucs pick ahead of us

scafuri27 · 02-01-2008, 07:16 AM

The Redskins pick 21st, one selection after the Buccaneers who are in the 20th spot. The teams both went 9-7 but from what I understand tie breaker is strenghth of schedule Bucs .469 Skins .555. The league should adjust this format. The Bucs beat us in the regular season, won their division, and were a higher seeded playoff team and they get to select above us in the first round of the draft. The frist 2 tiebreakers should be head to head and playoff seeding.

onlydarksets · 02-01-2008, 08:28 AM

I agree - that doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.

GTripp0012 · 02-01-2008, 09:08 AM

Seems as if it would make more sense to just use the league's normal tiebreaker rules; head to head, conference record, division record*, common opponents record, strength of schedule,

skinsnut · 02-01-2008, 09:21 AM

didn't this used to be a coin flip situation?
or is that the supplemental draft?

I'm not really knowledgeable on this draft order stuff....but dont teams that tie switch positions in subsequent rounds?
IE...do the skins have a better 2nd rounder than the bucs?

SouperMeister · 02-01-2008, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by scafuri27

The Redskins pick 21st, one selection after the Buccaneers who are in the 20th spot. The teams both went 9-7 but from what I understand tie breaker is strenghth of schedule Bucs .469 Skins .555. The league should adjust this format. The Bucs beat us in the regular season, won their division, and were a higher seeded playoff team and they get to select above us in the first round of the draft. The frist 2 tiebreakers should be head to head and playoff seeding.

I couldn't agree with you more on this.

Joe Ribbs BBQ · 02-01-2008, 11:13 AM

with our situation as a perfect example showing why this should be changed by the league

celts32 · 02-01-2008, 11:37 AM

It's great to take the teams that benefited all year from an easier schedule and then reward them at draft time also. Makes no sense what so ever...I will take the 32 draft pick if i can move into the NFC South and play those teams twice a year.

dmek25 · 02-01-2008, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by celts32

It's great to take the teams that benefited all year from an easier schedule and then reward them at draft time also. Makes no sense what so ever...I will take the 32 draft pick if i can move into the NFC South and play those teams twice a year.

actually, this does make sense. they had an easier schedule, and could still only muster 9 wins. the league is thinking they should have won more with that schedule

GTripp0012 · 02-01-2008, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

actually, this does make sense. they had an easier schedule, and could still only muster 9 wins. the league is thinking they should have won more with that schedule

Though strength of schedule is on the better side in terms of accurate statistics, it's hard to make the realistic argument that we were better than Tampa this year. They won their division, killed everyone in their division, and beat us. While the quality of opponents they played was very clearly weaker than ours, they dominated in most of their wins which is something that we wouldn't have been able to do playing their schedule (though we likely would have done better than 9-7).

But subscribing to the assumption that Tampa was better than us, a perfect system would have use picking ahead of them in the draft.

Whatever though, 20th/21st doesn't really make a damn difference.

sancho2613 · 02-01-2008, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

actually, this does make sense. they had an easier schedule, and could still only muster 9 wins. the league is thinking they should have won more with that schedule

It didn't make sense to me at first but I think you're right. If both teams have the same amount of wins then on paper the Skins would be the "better" team since they had a harder schedule...

scafuri27 · 02-01-2008, 06:14 PM

The only exception to the rule involves the super bowl. Playoff seeding is irrelevent, yet the winner of the bowl picks 32 and the loser 31 no matter what. Percentage points on strenghth of schedule should not matter it should be similar to the tiebreakers for making the playoffs and identical records should be broken by playoff seeding or Sched. for non playoff teams and NFC vs AFC tiebreakers.

The Pats won the SB in the 2001 season. If they would have lost to Oakland like they were about to, than we would of had the 23rd pick in the draft instead of 32nd..would we still have taken Patrick Ramsey?? I agree 20/21 is not a huge difference but who knows...

Darrell_Green_28 · 02-01-2008, 06:56 PM

We pick 21st for a reason, dont argue with it... Sean is with us in all ways possible.

Campbell17 · 02-01-2008, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by sancho2613

It didn't make sense to me at first but I think you're right. If both teams have the same amount of wins then on paper the Skins would be the "better" team since they had a harder schedule...

Can you imagine a division switch? We'd be maybe 11-5, and they'd be 6-10.

That Guy · 02-02-2008, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsnut

didn't this used to be a coin flip situation?
or is that the supplemental draft?

I'm not really knowledgeable on this draft order stuff....but dont teams that tie switch positions in subsequent rounds?
IE...do the skins have a better 2nd rounder than the bucs?

it shifts each round.

say three teams are 10-6 (Team A, B, and C)

in round 1, A picks first, then B, then C
in round 2 it's B, then C, then A
in round 3 it's C, then A, then B

etc...

SkinsFanSince91 · 02-02-2008, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by scafuri27

The Redskins pick 21st, one selection after the Buccaneers who are in the 20th spot. The teams both went 9-7 but from what I understand tie breaker is strenghth of schedule Bucs .469 Skins .555. The league should adjust this format. The Bucs beat us in the regular season, won their division, and were a higher seeded playoff team and they get to select above us in the first round of the draft. The frist 2 tiebreakers should be head to head and playoff seeding.

Good point

02-01-2008, 07:16 AM	#1
scafuri27 Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Agawam, Massachusetts Posts: 132	Nfl draft order..Bucs pick ahead of us The Redskins pick 21st, one selection after the Buccaneers who are in the 20th spot. The teams both went 9-7 but from what I understand tie breaker is strenghth of schedule Bucs .469 Skins .555. The league should adjust this format. The Bucs beat us in the regular season, won their division, and were a higher seeded playoff team and they get to select above us in the first round of the draft. The frist 2 tiebreakers should be head to head and playoff seeding. __________________ The 8th rule of fight club is..If this is your first night at FIGHT CLUB, you HAVE to fight.

02-01-2008, 08:28 AM	#2
onlydarksets Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: all up in your business Posts: 2,693	Re: Nfl draft order..Bucs pick ahead of us I agree - that doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. __________________ Stop reading my signature.

02-01-2008, 09:08 AM	#3
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Age: 25 Posts: 15,152	Re: Nfl draft order..Bucs pick ahead of us Seems as if it would make more sense to just use the league's normal tiebreaker rules; head to head, conference record, division record*, common opponents record, strength of schedule, __________________ Shanahan: “The bad thing is he's [Sav Rocca] probably our best offensive weapon and that’s not good.”

02-01-2008, 09:21 AM	#4
skinsnut The Starter Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,175	Re: Nfl draft order..Bucs pick ahead of us didn't this used to be a coin flip situation? or is that the supplemental draft? I'm not really knowledgeable on this draft order stuff....but dont teams that tie switch positions in subsequent rounds? IE...do the skins have a better 2nd rounder than the bucs? __________________ I hate Dallas...Period

02-01-2008, 11:13 AM	#6
Joe Ribbs BBQ Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Annapolis, MD Posts: 149	Re: Nfl draft order..Bucs pick ahead of us with our situation as a perfect example showing why this should be changed by the league __________________ Section 102, Row 12... now I finally need to get a hold of one of those motorized coolers.. http://www.cruzincooler.com/ RIP#21

02-01-2008, 11:37 AM	#7
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 41 Posts: 2,644	Re: Nfl draft order..Bucs pick ahead of us It's great to take the teams that benefited all year from an easier schedule and then reward them at draft time also. Makes no sense what so ever...I will take the 32 draft pick if i can move into the NFC South and play those teams twice a year. __________________ Section 115 Row 23 “Goal line, goal line. I-left, tight wing, 70 chip on white.” http://victorybeer.com/

02-01-2008, 06:14 PM	#11
scafuri27 Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Agawam, Massachusetts Posts: 132	Re: Nfl draft order..Bucs pick ahead of us The only exception to the rule involves the super bowl. Playoff seeding is irrelevent, yet the winner of the bowl picks 32 and the loser 31 no matter what. Percentage points on strenghth of schedule should not matter it should be similar to the tiebreakers for making the playoffs and identical records should be broken by playoff seeding or Sched. for non playoff teams and NFC vs AFC tiebreakers. The Pats won the SB in the 2001 season. If they would have lost to Oakland like they were about to, than we would of had the 23rd pick in the draft instead of 32nd..would we still have taken Patrick Ramsey?? I agree 20/21 is not a huge difference but who knows... __________________ The 8th rule of fight club is..If this is your first night at FIGHT CLUB, you HAVE to fight.

02-01-2008, 06:56 PM	#12
Darrell_Green_28 The Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Age: 44 Posts: 1,949	Re: Nfl draft order..Bucs pick ahead of us We pick 21st for a reason, dont argue with it... Sean is with us in all ways possible.

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