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Old 02-27-2008, 05:48 PM   #121
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I'd keep an eye on Carl Nicks
I'm inclined to ask why. Something tells me you know something we don't. And don't give me the creepy quote with a smiley face answer. Thats something OM would do.

Also is the guy willing to play G until a spot opens up at Tackle?

EDIT: Shit, this guy is going to screw up my Mock Draft. A huge mauler with Dockery size and the versatility to play Tackle in a pinch. Reminds me of Shaun Andrews. However is he going to be available in the second round?
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Old 02-27-2008, 06:38 PM   #122
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I have a question for those that are saying we need to go after a cornerback high in the draft: name the starting CB's for the Giants...

I think it is a big myth that you need shutdown corners at both slots. You only need shutdown cornerbacks if you don't have a consistent pass rush from your defensive line.

Look at what the Giants did to the Patriots with an aging Sam Madison (33 years old) and Aaron Ross (not exactly a household name) slotted at cornerback.

I would also say that those who are lobbying hard for a "big wide receiver" are also off the mark. I think we need one but the top of the draft is when we need to find our horses - those guys up front that are going to just create havok on both sides of the ball.
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Old 02-27-2008, 07:07 PM   #123
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I have a question for those that are saying we need to go after a cornerback high in the draft: name the starting CB's for the Giants...
Players who don't have sub 4.9 40's are hard to sell to fans. I'm with you, I really want to get some young guys up front, and I also don't believe that Corners are vital anymore for success on the Defensive side of the ball.

Also Smootsmack found some "tape" on Karl Nicks. Looks ok during the 1 on 1 drills, and about as good as you can in the helments only drill but the guy is a monster during the senior bowl, regularly throwing guys around like raggity Ann dolls. Wish I could find more then 30 seconds of footage on Brandon Albert.

YouTube - NFL Huskers - 2008 Senior Bowl

Cromartie-Rogers isn't as bad as I'm making him out to be, but as I said before we're neglecting young talent along the trenches. However if this guy gets drafted though I can get on board

YouTube - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie Senior Bowl
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Old 02-27-2008, 08:30 PM   #124
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Man, after the combine, I want DRCromartie. I honestly dont think he will fall to us, but he obviously has the best upside. He has the ball skills, tools, football acumen, and potential in a postion that doesnt see talent like this too often. And, if we do see it, it doesnt look like we are ever in position to get one, but now we are. Plus, as the NFL switches to a passing league, and with eh Cowboys rumored to be going after MRandy Moss, we would need to stock pile on good CB's and fortify our d-line.

It would be super sweet if our draft went like this:
1st: Dominique Rodgers Cromartie, CB, TSU
2nd: Quentin Groves, DE/OLB, Auburn ( I doubt he will make it this far, but the draft can unfold in many ways between now and April)
3rd: Jordy Nelson, WR/KR, Kansas State

We'd be sitting pretty.
Quentin Groves really helped his case. He might be a better pick in the first instead of a guy like Calais Campbell.
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Old 02-27-2008, 08:37 PM   #125
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Quentin Groves really helped his case. He might be a better pick in the first instead of a guy like Calais Campbell.
Forget first round. At this rate Campbeel is looking more and more like an early third round pick. Right now he reminds me of Quinton Moses at this point last year.

However the more I see these hybrid OLB types moving up draft boards the more I start to wish that we ran a 3-4. Then again the 4-3 has been good to us in years past.
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Yeah, his stock is plummeting. I hope Derick Harvey falls to us in the first now, but I doubt it.
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Yeah, his stock is plummeting. I hope Derick Harvey falls to us in the first now, but I doubt it.
Well a guy like Derick Harvey would be fine if we didn't have Andre Carter. To be honest I don't mind if we take a speed rusher in round 2, especially if he has a frame where he can add more bulk (Daryl Tapp comes to mind. ~254 on draft day now 270 pounds). I'm currently lobbying for Brandon Albert but Smootsmack has recently turned my attention to Carl Nicks, which would be great because then we could use the first round to grab Phillip Merling, Kenny Phillips, or maybe even Rogers-Cromartie (though he's not my first choice) and still come out with a G/T type guy that could start next year and eventually take over for Jansen.
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I like Branden Albert, but is he that much better than a guy like Roy Scheuning who could be had in the third? Jeremy Zuttah had a really strong showing at the combine, and he'll probably be around in the middle rounds.
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I like Branden Albert, but is he that much better than a guy like Roy Scheuning who could be had in the third? Jeremy Zuttah had a really strong showing at the combine, and he'll probably be around in the middle rounds.
Well to start off I love Scheuning, but with the lack of depth at Guard in this years draft Roy will probably be an early-mid third round pick. Scheuning has the ability to run block that I want but the thing about Albert is he has the potential to play LT or at least RT one day. And with Jansen and Samuals both in their 30's I would like to get that taken care of. Plus I see Albert as a Pro Bowler in 2 or 3 years.

Scheuning on the other hand I see as a guy on the same plain as say Casey Rabach. Where as Albert would be a younger Randy Thomas in my eyes.

Nicks is similar in the versitilty and run blocking department but I don't know as much about him.
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Players who don't have sub 4.9 40's are hard to sell to fans. I'm with you, I really want to get some young guys up front, and I also don't believe that Corners are vital anymore for success on the Defensive side of the ball.

Also Smootsmack found some "tape" on Karl Nicks. Looks ok during the 1 on 1 drills, and about as good as you can in the helments only drill but the guy is a monster during the senior bowl, regularly throwing guys around like raggity Ann dolls. Wish I could find more then 30 seconds of footage on Brandon Albert.

YouTube - NFL Huskers - 2008 Senior Bowl

Cromartie-Rogers isn't as bad as I'm making him out to be, but as I said before we're neglecting young talent along the trenches. However if this guy gets drafted though I can get on board

YouTube - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie Senior Bowl
An average cornerback can become good with a great defensive line, but a good cornerback will become average with a poor defensive line. Similarly, a great offensive line will make all the skill players seem better.

That being said, the YouTube clip you posted on Cromartie-Rogers is pretty impressive...still, if there is a great d-lineman available at that point I'd love to see us taking him.
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Not to sound cheesy, but I may be forever impacted by my experiences in high school when we had a great set of skill players but the lamest, weakest line you can imagine. Our skill players were all brutalized over the season because they didn't have those lines protecting them.

I'm not saying the Redskins don't have a solid core there to start with, I'm just saying you build from the line out - and we have some age concerns across both lines.
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Not to sound cheesy, but I may be forever impacted by my experiences in high school when we had a great set of skill players but the lamest, weakest line you can imagine. Our skill players were all brutalized over the season because they didn't have those lines protecting them.

I'm not saying the Redskins don't have a solid core there to start with, I'm just saying you build from the line out - and we have some age concerns across both lines.
I guess your right, my team had great skill players (Charlie Whitehurst at QB and Sugar Ray Lenord's son at WR) but where the team really stood out was on the DL. We had three or four excellent D-Lineman and went to the state semi-finals one year. In fact they were so good that we never rushed more then 3 guys. In fact 4 guys rushing the passer was considered a blitz for our team. One guy even got a scholarship to Florida State before he was declared academically ineligable.

We currently have a great run stopping D and we should find a good D-lineman in the draft, but I think we really need to start rebuilding the O-Line. Personally I want an O-Line that can create running lanes for virtually anybody.

Either way Jim Zorn mentioned on Total Access that we're looking for the following NFL Video Galleries.

- Help at Corner
- A big WR to compliment Moss and ARE
- Help on the DL
- Help on the OL
- And he alluded to the possibility of bringing in a safety.
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I guess your right, my team had great skill players (Charlie Whitehurst at QB and Sugar Ray Lenord's son at WR) but where the team really stood out was on the DL. We had three or four excellent D-Lineman and went to the state semi-finals one year. In fact they were so good that we never rushed more then 3 guys. In fact 4 guys rushing the passer was considered a blitz for our team. One guy even got a scholarship to Florida State before he was declared academically ineligable.

We currently have a great run stopping D and we should find a good D-lineman in the draft, but I think we really need to start rebuilding the O-Line. Personally I want an O-Line that can create running lanes for virtually anybody.

Either way Jim Zorn mentioned on Total Access that we're looking for the following NFL Video Galleries.

- Help at Corner
- A big WR to compliment Moss and ARE
- Help on the DL
- Help on the OL
- And he alluded to the possibility of bringing in a safety.
So I'm guessing Mix isn't going to be that guy?
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Old 02-27-2008, 09:57 PM   #134
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I guess your right, my team had great skill players (Charlie Whitehurst at QB and Sugar Ray Lenord's son at WR) but where the team really stood out was on the DL. We had three or four excellent D-Lineman and went to the state semi-finals one year. In fact they were so good that we never rushed more then 3 guys. In fact 4 guys rushing the passer was considered a blitz for our team. One guy even got a scholarship to Florida State before he was declared academically ineligable.

We currently have a great run stopping D and we should find a good D-lineman in the draft, but I think we really need to start rebuilding the O-Line. Personally I want an O-Line that can create running lanes for virtually anybody.

Either way Jim Zorn mentioned on Total Access that we're looking for the following NFL Video Galleries.

- Help at Corner
- A big WR to compliment Moss and ARE
- Help on the DL
- Help on the OL
- And he alluded to the possibility of bringing in a safety.
Wait a minute. I went to high school with Sugar Ray Leonard's son. Which son are you talking about?

Anyhow, as for Nicks I was just saying that if they go OT, then I think Carl Nick is someone they should consider. But his stock is rising so he probably won't be around when they draft in round 2 (and he's not, in my opinion, worth the #21 pick). If they go OG, I like Chilo Rachal.
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Wait a minute. I went to high school with Sugar Ray Leonard's son. Which son are you talking about?

Anyhow, as for Nicks I was just saying that if they go OT, then I think Carl Nick is someone they should consider. But his stock is rising so he probably won't be around when they draft in round 2 (and he's not, in my opinion, worth the #21 pick). If they go OG, I like Chilo Rachal.
I heard he had a lot of kids, but if you must know, it was Jarell(Sp?).

As far as Nicks goes, I see a lot of mock drafts have him going to the Falcons in the second round. If it's between getting a solid DL in the first round with a great OL prospect in the second then I'm all for it. However I think that the OL that can make a big impact right away will be gone by the time we pick in the second round. Thats why I'm lobbying for Albert to go in the first.

The thing that suprised me though with Nicks, was his body comp. At 345 lbs I expected him to look doughy, but looking at the guy he looks relatively lean, especially for a guy that size.

As far as Chilo goes, well for some reason I keep on thinking that OL that come out of USC are more pass blockers, though I wouldn't mind having Ryan Kalil. I'll have to take a closer look at him.
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