We Should draft Jordy Nelson - Kansas State WR in the 3rd

Dirtbag59 · 03-13-2008, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SkinsFanSince91

O Line can wait and we can still get a quality player in the 3rd round or lower.

1st round = CB, DE, DT, WR

Well maybe we could, but history tells us that most of the elite top tier interior lineman are found in the first round, while other come from the second. By the way it took Dockery about 2 or 3 years to come on, so if we do draft an O-lineman one the second day then theres a good chance that we would have to wait a few years for him to develop. Albert will only take a year to develop since we'll have to get his strength up to par, in order to make him an elite Guard.

Besides I don't understand the disdain towards Albert. If we take him in the 1st round then theres a good chance that we could take your boy Jordy in the second or third. Look we've drafted Offensive lineman during the Gibbs era in the 5th or 6th round like you've suggested and now those guys are off the team.

Steve Hutchinson - Min - 1st Round 17th pick
Logan Mankins - NE - 1st Round 32nd Pick
Shawn Andrews - Phi - 1st Round 16th Pick
Alan Fanneca - NYJ - 1st Round 26th Pick
Leonard Davis - Dal - 1st Round 2nd Pick
Pete Kendall - Was - 1st Round 21st Overall

Eric Steinbach - Cle - 2nd Round ~1st Pick
Mike Whale - Sea - 2nd Round Supplemental
Randy Thomas - Was - 2nd Round 57th Overall

Will Shields - KC - 3rd Round
Vince Manuwai - Jax - 3rd Round 8th Pick
Derrick Dockery - Buf - 3rd Round

Stacy Andrews - Cin - 4th Round Pick 27

Benji Olsen - Ten - 5th Round

Brian Waters - KC - Undrafted
Kris Deilman - SD - Undrafted
Brandon Moore - NYJ - Undrafted

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 03-13-2008, 02:56 PM

Given how we've struggled for years with injuries along the O-line and that none of our starting O-linemen are in their 20s, I'm quite surprised that anyone would oppose drafting an O-lineman in the 1st round. Do we need an impact #1 wideout? Sure, but I wouldn't expect to find a WR with the 21st pick who will be an immediate, impact player. Do we need a CB? Sure, but we have Springs, Smoot, and Rogers on the roster. IMO, our most pressing need is along the line.

Dirtbag59 · 03-13-2008, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Given how we've struggled for years with injuries along the O-line and that none of our starting O-linemen are in their 20s, I'm quite surprised that anyone would oppose drafting an O-lineman in the 1st round. Do we need an impact #1 wideout? Sure, but I wouldn't expect to find a WR with the 21st pick who will be an immediate, impact player. Do we need a CB? Sure, but we have Springs, Smoot, and Rogers on the roster. IMO, our most pressing need is along the line.

Don't worry, when our running game returns to the 1337 level then people will be more then pleased with us drafting Brandon Albert. Plus with Albert and Heyer we'll have our pair of bookends set for possibly the next decade. Plus as I said before, if we draft Albert in the first then the chances of us taking Jordy in the 2nd or 3rd increase. Personally I would love to see a draft with Albert in the first, Jordy in the Second, and Dre Moore in the third, however Moore might not last that long.

I don't think people realize that we have a better group of Recievers then most teams in the NFL. This desire for a playmaker at Reciever is way off base to me. People see what Randy Moss did last year and think "WOW I WANT THAT" Usually teams that are looking for "the answer" at Wide Reciever go through a lot of trouble to find that guy. And in some cases it means poor Quarterback play. Which to me isn't much of an issue with Zorn tutoring Campbell. I mean the names Branch and Burleson don't exaclty strike fear into the hearts of defenses but the Seahawks have one of the NFL's best passing attacks.

Conversly the Cardinals have two of the games best recievers and still can't get past 8-8. And ironically people have been blaming the Cardinals lack of success due to poor O-Line play, of course thats changing as of late with Grimm there but still.

I don't know I'm all over the place with this post.

That Guy · 03-14-2008, 12:17 PM

there's nothing wrong with going OL in the first, but the hardest two positions to fill are franchise QB and elite pass rushing DE. If harvey or merling (or DRC) are there, i'd lean towards them first, since DL is deep this draft and there always seem to be starting NFL guards around the 20-30th picks every year.

GTripp0012 · 03-14-2008, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

there's nothing wrong with going OL in the first, but the hardest two positions to fill are franchise QB and elite pass rushing DE. If harvey or merling (or DRC) are there, i'd lean towards them first, since DL is deep this draft and there always seem to be starting NFL guards around the 20-30th picks every year.

I do feel that a true shutdown CB is the hardest thing to find because they are even more uncommon than a franchise QB, even if they do not have as strong an impact on the outcome of games. Champ, Nnamdi, and maybe Nate Clements are the only shutdown CBs in the NFL (Cromartie has a chance if he continues to develop). Samuel, Tillman, Winfield, Springs, Trufant, Ronde Barber, Newman, Leigh Bodden, McAllister, and Rasheen Mathis are all guys I'd want on my team, but I can't say any of them are really lockdown type players, and that makes a difference.

Finding a complete DE is really difficult (Jared Allen, Aaron Kampman may be the only two), but it's not so hard to find an elite pass rusher if you are willing to skimp on size. Of course, taking Merling isn't skimping on size, but Harvey definately is.

Chief X_Phackter · 03-14-2008, 12:52 PM

Jordy is a player. I had season tickets to Kansas State last year and got to see him live for six of their games. I would be very pleased if the Skins happened to pick him up.

SmootSmack · 03-14-2008, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I do feel that a true shutdown CB is the hardest thing to find because they are even more uncommon than a franchise QB, even if they do not have as strong an impact on the outcome of games. Champ, Nnamdi, and maybe Nate Clements are the only shutdown CBs in the NFL (Cromartie has a chance if he continues to develop). Samuel, Tillman, Winfield, Springs, Trufant, Ronde Barber, Newman, Leigh Bodden, McAllister, and Rasheen Mathis are all guys I'd want on my team, but I can't say any of them are really lockdown type players, and that makes a difference.

Finding a complete DE is really difficult (Jared Allen, Aaron Kampman may be the only two), but it's not so hard to find an elite pass rusher if you are willing to skimp on size. Of course, taking Merling isn't skimping on size, but Harvey definately is.

Speaking of Merling, I think I heard he just had hernia surgery.

GTripp0012 · 03-14-2008, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Speaking of Merling, I think I heard he just had hernia surgery.

That doesn't sound pleasant. I mean, for his draft stock, but also just in general.

30gut · 03-15-2008, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DGreene28

Jordy Nelson is big 6'3" 217lbs and has some good speed running 4.51 at the combine. I saw him toast Aqib Talib multiple times last season in the Kansas vs Kansas State game. He was clearly faster then Talib smoking him down the sideline after a catch by a good margin (Talib runs a 4.44). Everybody who watches tape on this guy is falling in love with his game up here. He could be there in the 3rd round... hopefully he's high on the skins draft board.

02/21/08 - If a player has a flaw, the combine will find it. Nelson expects to do well in the physical part of the combine, but he thinks he'll really shine in the psychology. He's a humble, small-town kid from Riley. He went to a small high school, Riley County. He went to K-State originally as a walk-on and made himself into an All-American. Yeah, looks like the psychological stuff will be a breeze. "I don't think I'll probably be that outstanding in the physical drills," Nelson said. "But I'll be right in the pack, doing good. The personality stuff -- I'm going to be someone who is going to work hard and do what they ask. "I won't be causing any problems on the field or off the field. I think everyone pretty much knows the athletic ability. You have to sell the person you are, how you act. They're possibly going to be paying you a lot of money. They don't want to waste it." Nelson is 6-foot-3, 217 pounds and he has run a 4.4 40-yard dash. The overwhelming image I have of his 2007 season is when he beat Kansas cornerback Aqib Talib for a touchdown early in the KU-KSU game in Manhattan. - Bob Lutz, The Wichita Eagle
02/08/08 - PRO POTENTIAL: WR Jordy Nelson - As a speedy, 6-foot-3 target with great hands, Nelson could be a first-day selection. He can help an NFL team in a variety of spots, including on special teams, after beginning his college career as a defensive back. 02/07/08 - 02/07/08 - Draft Scout Risers: Eddie Royal and California wide receiver Lavelle Hawkins were undoubtedly the two most impressive receivers at the Senior Bowl, but perhaps the wideout who opened the most eyes with his performance in Mobile was Kansas State Jordy Nelson. Nelson went from former walk-on to an All-American as a senior, finishing second in the nation in both receptions (122) and receiving yards (1,606). Many scouts attributed this sudden rise in success to the Wildcats' passing game, but Nelson's reliable route-running, hands, and size still has scouts buzzing.

Yeah, but i think he'll be gone by the third round and i don't think we should reach in the 2nd to get him. Here are some dudes that might be around:
(I hope that Jordy or Caldwell are around but i doubt it)

William Franklin, Missouri
Height: 6-0. Weight: 214.
Projected 40 Time: 4.40.
Combine 40 Time: 4.37.
Vertical: 34.5. Broad .
Projected Round: 3.
William Franklin's 4.37 (at 214 pounds) made some noise at the combine. His vertical wasn't too shabby either.

Paul Hubbard, Wisconsin
Height: 6-2. Weight: 221.
Projected 40 Time: 4.43.
Combine 40 Time: 4.47.
Pro Day 40 Time: 4.38.
Vertical: 39.5. Broad 10-6.
Projected Round: 3-4.

YouTube - Paul Hubbard

Jerome Simpson, Coastal Carolina
Height: 6-1. Weight: 190.
Projected 40 Time: 4.46.
Combine 40 Time: 4.37.
Vertical: 37.5. Broad 11-4.
Projected Round: 4.

Arman Shields, Richmond
Height: 6-0. Weight: 194.
Projected 40 Time: 4.44.
Combine 40 Time: 4.44.
Vertical: 37.5. Broad 10.8.
Projected Round: 7-FA.

YouTube - Arman Shields

skinzaholic73 · 03-15-2008, 04:33 AM

I love this post! Jordy is awesome! I pray the skins have this guy on their radar we could really use a guy like this.Pick him up 3rd rd.Baby(if he's still there..he may be gone by second).

SeanTaylor21 · 03-15-2008, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by skinzaholic73

I love this post! Jordy is awesome! I pray the skins have this guy on their radar we could really use a guy like this.Pick him up 3rd rd.Baby(if he's still there..he may be gone by second).

Thats why its going to be an akward situatuion for the redskins in the second round, they will probably ponder whether to take Jordy Nelson in the second or to see if he falls to the third round.

DGreene28 · 03-15-2008, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 30gut

Yeah, but i think he'll be gone by the third round and i don't think we should reach in the 2nd to get him. Here are some dudes that might be around:
(I hope that Jordy or Caldwell are around but i doubt it)

William Franklin, Missouri
Height: 6-0. Weight: 214.
Projected 40 Time: 4.40.
Combine 40 Time: 4.37.
Vertical: 34.5. Broad .
Projected Round: 3.
William Franklin's 4.37 (at 214 pounds) made some noise at the combine. His vertical wasn't too shabby either.

Paul Hubbard, Wisconsin
Height: 6-2. Weight: 221.
Projected 40 Time: 4.43.
Combine 40 Time: 4.47.
Pro Day 40 Time: 4.38.
Vertical: 39.5. Broad 10-6.
Projected Round: 3-4.

YouTube - Paul Hubbard

Jerome Simpson, Coastal Carolina
Height: 6-1. Weight: 190.
Projected 40 Time: 4.46.
Combine 40 Time: 4.37.
Vertical: 37.5. Broad 11-4.
Projected Round: 4.

Arman Shields, Richmond
Height: 6-0. Weight: 194.
Projected 40 Time: 4.44.
Combine 40 Time: 4.44.
Vertical: 37.5. Broad 10.8.
Projected Round: 7-FA.

YouTube - Arman Shields

You may be right but I think I'd rather reach for Jordy in the 2nd then go with one of these guys. IMO its a precipitous drop off in talent. It looks like Albert may be a top 10 pick anyway so we unfortunately we wont have to worry about it.

WaldSkins · 03-16-2008, 12:30 PM

Would he be available with our compentsary pick in the third. Or would we have to take him with our original 3rd.

SeanTaylor21 · 03-16-2008, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by WaldSkins

Would he be available with our compentsary pick in the third. Or would we have to take him with our original 3rd.

The only thing with that is that Jordy might be picked in the second because of how he was at the combine and the way he performed all year long.

03-13-2008, 02:56 PM	#32
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 34 Posts: 8,317	Re: We Should draft Jordy Nelson - Kansas State WR in the 3rd Given how we've struggled for years with injuries along the O-line and that none of our starting O-linemen are in their 20s, I'm quite surprised that anyone would oppose drafting an O-lineman in the 1st round. Do we need an impact #1 wideout? Sure, but I wouldn't expect to find a WR with the 21st pick who will be an immediate, impact player. Do we need a CB? Sure, but we have Springs, Smoot, and Rogers on the roster. IMO, our most pressing need is along the line.

03-14-2008, 12:17 PM	#34
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Springfield, VA Age: 30 Posts: 15,622	Re: We Should draft Jordy Nelson - Kansas State WR in the 3rd there's nothing wrong with going OL in the first, but the hardest two positions to fill are franchise QB and elite pass rushing DE. If harvey or merling (or DRC) are there, i'd lean towards them first, since DL is deep this draft and there always seem to be starting NFL guards around the 20-30th picks every year. __________________ Who says shameless self promotion is stupid? oh yeah, that was me... Click For Tunes!

03-14-2008, 12:52 PM	#36
Chief X_Phackter Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 928	Re: We Should draft Jordy Nelson - Kansas State WR in the 3rd Jordy is a player. I had season tickets to Kansas State last year and got to see him live for six of their games. I would be very pleased if the Skins happened to pick him up.

03-15-2008, 04:33 AM	#40
skinzaholic73 Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: West Virginia Age: 39 Posts: 78	Re: We Should draft Jordy Nelson - Kansas State WR in the 3rd I love this post! Jordy is awesome! I pray the skins have this guy on their radar we could really use a guy like this.Pick him up 3rd rd.Baby(if he's still there..he may be gone by second).

03-16-2008, 12:30 PM	#43
WaldSkins Playmaker Join Date: May 2007 Location: Harrisburg, PA Age: 29 Posts: 2,714	Re: We Should draft Jordy Nelson - Kansas State WR in the 3rd Would he be available with our compentsary pick in the third. Or would we have to take him with our original 3rd.

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