Do we overvalue the draft?

Skinny Tee · 04-22-2008, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

That makes no sense at all to me. So you're saying, for example, keeping all nine picks and using the first one on Malcolm Kelly is more effective than keeping eight out of nine and trading the first one (and maybe a 3rd next year) for Chad Johnson simply because we're keeping all our picks?

Who said anything about drafting Kelly. Personally I don't mind another year with our receivers as is. Sure they're not the best but there if there are no UFA available or prospects in the draft then don't force one with such a high pick.

Address it next year and select someone at the many other positions of need. I rather devote a large amount of money to multiple homegrown Redskin players than just to one imported commodity. (The large amount of money being the 20 million+ guaranteed that would consist of CJ's new proposed contract)

Mattyk · 04-22-2008, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

Who said anything about drafting Kelly. Personally I don't mind another year with our receivers as is. Sure they're not the best but there if there are no UFA available or prospects in the draft then don't force one with such a high pick.

Address it next year and select someone at the many other positions of need. I rather devote a large amount of money to multiple homegrown Redskin players than just to one imported commodity. (The large amount of money being the 20 million+ that would consist of CJ's new proposed contract)

The point is the Redskins have shown serious interest in drafting Kelly.

Daseal · 04-22-2008, 04:48 PM

Steveo -- the point isn't that we have picks, it's what are the worth? Salary cap issues are a valid concern with these big WRs were looking at (although I think the owners opt out of the CBA and doubt both sides get a resolution until a strike is near making 2010 uncapped.) However, I think its a bit outrageous to think that our first and 3rd round picks would turn into more than what Chad Johnson or Roy Williams could give us. Do any receivers in this years draft really excite you? Not me?

There's nothing wrong with keeping picks, but people want to keep picks for the sake of keeping them, not doing what's best for our team.

The Redskins fanbase seems to be feast or famine. As someone said earlier, a balanced approach at FA, Trades, and drafting is necessary. Drafting is necessary for depth.

Skinny Tee · 04-22-2008, 10:04 PM

Change of tactics: Redskins put draft ahead of free agency - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

Sorry, this article is more appropriate in this thread. Check it out.

SouperMeister · 04-23-2008, 09:12 AM

Look no further than the last Super Bowl - the Giants and the Patriots BOTH built mostly through the draft. That has worked out pretty well for both. I'm hoping that we start doing more of the same.

jsarno · 04-23-2008, 11:18 AM

It depends on who you're talking to. Cause the Skins have devalued the draft for years and we haven't won anything. But if we to rely solely on the draft, we wouldn't go anywhere either. We need to find a happy medium.
I think most of us here are sick of giving our picks away and know it's time to be a little more frugal with the picks.

jsarno · 04-23-2008, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

Change of tactics: Redskins put draft ahead of free agency - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

Sorry, this article is more appropriate in this thread. Check it out.

The way we're went after CJ and then Boldin, we seem to be very trigger happy to give away picks again.

Mattyk · 04-23-2008, 11:36 AM

What surprises me is some people seem shocked that the Redskins are trying to aquire a big name WR. Nobody from the front office ever said they are only going to look to the draft this year. Vinny spelled it out quite clearly that if a player was out there that they valued, they would go after him whether that means through a trade, free agency, or the draft.

I'm seeing alot of people trying to say that the Skins emphasis on the draft is somehow out the window now because they shopped 1 pick this year and 1 pick the next. All of a sudden it's back to their old free spending ways, the draft is blown, the future is down the crapper.... blah blah blah. Again, nobody from the Redskins front office ever said they were going to ignore free agency and or trading for players.

jsarno · 04-23-2008, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

What surprises me is some people seem shocked that the Redskins are trying to aquire a big name WR. Nobody from the front office ever said they are only going to look to the draft this year. Vinny spelled it out quite clearly that if a player was out there that they valued, they would go after him whether that means through a trade, free agency, or the draft.

I'm seeing alot of people trying to say that the Skins emphasis on the draft is somehow out the window now because they shopped 1 pick this year and 1 pick the next. All of a sudden it's back to their old free spending ways, the draft is blown, the future is down the crapper.... blah blah blah. Again, nobody from the Redskins front office ever said they were going to ignore free agency and or trading for players.

Well, I understand your point on others jumping the gun, but speaking for myself, trading for someone like Johnson would only hurt us. His attitude is too poor for us and I think it would ruin our chemistry. Plus his size is too small for me.
Boldin doesn't have the size I am ultimately looking for (6'3" of taller), but he does have a good attitude and boat loads of talent, so I could get on board with getting him. I just can't get on board with CJ in ANY scenario. (I still prefer Roy Williams)

Mattyk · 04-23-2008, 12:17 PM

Boldin is 6'1 and built like a truck, and he's been very productive. You would turn him down due to the fact he's not 6'3?

SBXVII · 04-23-2008, 12:39 PM

I've given paragraph to whole page answers to other post so here it is......YES!

SBXVII · 04-23-2008, 12:42 PM

not talking about your question Matty....my yes was to the thread question.

SouperMeister · 04-23-2008, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Boldin is 6'1 and built like a truck, and he's been very productive. You would turn him down due to the fact he's not 6'3?

We should have drafted Boldin over Taylor Jacobs 5 years ago. I would be happy to have him, but offering anything more than a 1st rounder would be seriously overpaying, which we have been prone to do.

Mattyk · 04-23-2008, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SouperMeister

We should have drafted Boldin over Taylor Jacobs 5 years ago. I would be happy to have him, but offering anything more than a 1st rounder would be seriously overpaying, which we have been prone to do.

Hey, a lot of teams wish they would have taken Boldin earlier. If they could do that draft over I'm sure he would have been a top 10 pick.

skinsfan69 · 04-23-2008, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Good thread. I think we "misvalue" the draft. Having several draft picks doesn't mean their value is only for acquiring college players. Draft picks essentially collateral for acquiring talent (college or pro). I mean people want to complain about CJ and his attitude so they don't want to trade a 1st round pick for him because, to them, it's a waste of the "value" of the #21 pick. But how is that a worse "value" than using it to draft Malcolm "The Excuse" Kelly?

I tend to agree with the Beathard philosophy. Unless you're guaranteed some blue-chipper, then use your high draft picks to get proven players who can contribute now or for multiple, lower round picks that will improve your depth at a much cheaper cost.

It's not just a 1st round pick. It could be two 1st round picks, or a 1st and a 2nd. Sorry but that's too much. We've already tried this way and it doesn't work in today's NFL and that's the bottomn line. And Kelly complaining about his pro day isn't a big deal and I would put no stock in that what so ever. The 40 times are so damn silly it's not even funny and you can look no further than Jerry Rice and Emmitt Smith. Two guys that didn't run great 40 times but are some of the best players to ever play in the NFL. Kelly is good character guy and he's been a productive college player. I'd draft him in the 2nd round, but not the 1st.

04-22-2008, 04:48 PM	#33
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 30 Posts: 8,056	Re: Do we overvalue the draft? Steveo -- the point isn't that we have picks, it's what are the worth? Salary cap issues are a valid concern with these big WRs were looking at (although I think the owners opt out of the CBA and doubt both sides get a resolution until a strike is near making 2010 uncapped.) However, I think its a bit outrageous to think that our first and 3rd round picks would turn into more than what Chad Johnson or Roy Williams could give us. Do any receivers in this years draft really excite you? Not me? There's nothing wrong with keeping picks, but people want to keep picks for the sake of keeping them, not doing what's best for our team. The Redskins fanbase seems to be feast or famine. As someone said earlier, a balanced approach at FA, Trades, and drafting is necessary. Drafting is necessary for depth. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

04-22-2008, 10:04 PM	#34
Skinny Tee The Starter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Redskins Nation Posts: 1,715	Re: Do we overvalue the draft? Change of tactics: Redskins put draft ahead of free agency - NFL - Yahoo! Sports Sorry, this article is more appropriate in this thread. Check it out. __________________ Redskinsly, _________Skinny Tee_________

04-23-2008, 09:12 AM	#35
SouperMeister Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 48 Posts: 2,917	Re: Do we overvalue the draft? Look no further than the last Super Bowl - the Giants and the Patriots BOTH built mostly through the draft. That has worked out pretty well for both. I'm hoping that we start doing more of the same.

04-23-2008, 11:18 AM	#36
jsarno Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 31 Spooner St. Age: 38 Posts: 9,534	Re: Do we overvalue the draft? It depends on who you're talking to. Cause the Skins have devalued the draft for years and we haven't won anything. But if we to rely solely on the draft, we wouldn't go anywhere either. We need to find a happy medium. I think most of us here are sick of giving our picks away and know it's time to be a little more frugal with the picks. __________________ Zoltan is ZESTY! - courtesy of joeredskin

04-23-2008, 11:36 AM	#38
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,655	Re: Do we overvalue the draft? What surprises me is some people seem shocked that the Redskins are trying to aquire a big name WR. Nobody from the front office ever said they are only going to look to the draft this year. Vinny spelled it out quite clearly that if a player was out there that they valued, they would go after him whether that means through a trade, free agency, or the draft. I'm seeing alot of people trying to say that the Skins emphasis on the draft is somehow out the window now because they shopped 1 pick this year and 1 pick the next. All of a sudden it's back to their old free spending ways, the draft is blown, the future is down the crapper.... blah blah blah. Again, nobody from the Redskins front office ever said they were going to ignore free agency and or trading for players. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

04-23-2008, 12:17 PM	#40
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,655	Re: Do we overvalue the draft? Boldin is 6'1 and built like a truck, and he's been very productive. You would turn him down due to the fact he's not 6'3? __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

04-23-2008, 12:39 PM	#41
SBXVII Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,498	Re: Do we overvalue the draft? I've given paragraph to whole page answers to other post so here it is......YES!

04-23-2008, 12:42 PM	#42
SBXVII Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,498	Re: Do we overvalue the draft? not talking about your question Matty....my yes was to the thread question.

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