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WR Devin Thomas (34) 18 12.00%
TE Fred Davis (48) 95 63.33%
WR Malcolm Kelly (51) 37 24.67%
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Old 04-26-2008, 10:21 PM   #721
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The best remaining are:

O-Line
OT Carl Nicks
OT Anthony Collins
OG Roy Schuening
OG Eric Young
C Steven Justice

D-line
DT Marcus Harrison
DT Dre Moore
DE Cliff Avril
DE Chris Ellis

LB
MLB Dan Connor
MLB Tavares Gooden
OLB Erin Henderson
OLB Xavier Adibi
OLB Bruce Davis

CB
CB Justin King
CB Charles Godfrey
CB Reggie Smith

Am I missing any? I'd be happy if we drafted any of those guys.
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Old 04-26-2008, 10:22 PM   #722
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The thought actually crossed my mind when Malcolm Kelly was still on the board before our final 2nd round pick that they might take him because to me, we've seen all that we're going to see from Moss and Randle El as receiving threats. And they are not enough.

So I'm done bitching. I like the selections. But the O-line and Reed Doughty still make me nervous.
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Old 04-26-2008, 10:22 PM   #723
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Holmgren (Zorn's mentor) used two TEs plenty as a head coach. Here's an example of him using it in Green Bay

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Old 04-26-2008, 10:23 PM   #724
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I am surprised there is no thread that has the details of this trade we pulled off. Some of us were working and don't have all the details...I came here first to get all the answers, and so far I don't have many. (unless of course I want to read through the 50 pages of this thread...ain't gonna happen)
We traded our 1st, 3rd and 5th to ATL for their 34th and 48th picks in the 2nd and their 4th.
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Old 04-26-2008, 10:23 PM   #725
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How about Eric Young the guard from Tennessee? Before his injury he was considered one of the top guards in the draft. Here is his bio:

2008 Draft - Eric Young | NFL Football at CBSSports.com
I considered him. His stock has really plummeted. He might be around in the 4th or 5th, but he's a decent player. I wouldn't mind that pick. The Skins may have not drafted OL early because of the rush on OL or because of Buge's ability to work wonders and coach guys up. Given his track record, I'm not as concerned about an OL not being taken as I am DL.
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Old 04-26-2008, 10:24 PM   #726
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WTF happened while I was gone? I sware if the next three picks aren't grunt players I'm going to switch to the Ravens. Alright maybe not, but I think we now know who was calling the shots when Gibbs was around, and it's obviously wasn't Cerrato.

They lost out on Mike Pollack the C from Arizona State, they'll probably lose out on EJ Henderson. And with those extra picks they could have added a fan favorite like Owen Schmitt. I'll bet Josh Johnson is the 3-20 pick, then they'll take Marcus Monk.
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Old 04-26-2008, 10:25 PM   #727
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This is what I think happened with the TE...
The Skins got the first WR because of value...and because Merling was gone.
Then the Skins saw great value with the TE and figured....hey...a TE is like another WR and this guy is great....better grab him....Campbell will be around...
Then Campbell disappeared just like Merling and the Skins went value for a WR again...they kinda had too in a way...

Bottom line...their mistake was not being able to pass over a great value TE in an effort to shore up a major need....they were thinking they could squeeze a couple more pick out before DL disappeared...they were wrong and got greedy....now we are overstaffed on O and have no potential starters on Dline.....again.

Don't get me wrong...I like 2 good WR's...but we dont need another TE....that will be on the bench at least 75% of the time..heck...the second WR will be in the same situation...
A Dline pick would have potentially been starting 75% of the time....
That is my issue...
If you lock yourself into value only....your draft is graded well but you haven't addressed your key needs.

How many predraft folks were saying the skins needed 2 WR and a TE?
Most were saying 1 WR....the rest was line and defense.
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Old 04-26-2008, 10:28 PM   #728
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Holmgren (Zorn's mentor) used two TEs plenty as a head coach. Here's an example of him using it in Green Bay.
If we have that kind of success from Cooley and Davis, then it was a brilliant pick.

Jason Campbell will never have the excuse that he never had anything to work with here.
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We traded our 1st, 3rd and 5th to ATL for their 34th and 48th picks in the 2nd and their 4th.
That's a good deal for us considering we seemed to have gotten who we were targeting anyway.
Does anyone know why we selected 2 wr's? Or was this just a case of best player available at the time (kelly)?
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The best remaining are:

O-Line
OT Carl Nicks
OT Anthony Collins
OG Roy Schuening
OG Eric Young
C Steven Justice

D-line
DT Marcus Harrison
DT Dre Moore
DE Cliff Avril
DE Chris Ellis

LB
MLB Dan Connor
MLB Tavares Gooden
OLB Erin Henderson
OLB Xavier Adibi
OLB Bruce Davis

CB
CB Justin King
CB Charles Godfrey
CB Reggie Smith

Am I missing any? I'd be happy if we drafted any of those guys.
Agreed. Any two of these guys would be solid as our 3rd & 4th rd picks and fill needs. Two guys in the late rounds could also help, Radovich, G, USC and the DE kid from Hampton, but he'll probably be gone
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I like the "take the best player available" approach that Cerrato seems to be employing. After watching our poodle offense last year struggle to score 20 points--I'm thinking that if one of these guys helps us score another fg or td a game-then we'll win 2 more games a year.

This league is slanted to scoring points and the Skins seem to struggle to do that the last few years. While our offense may have been efficient at times; I felt it struggled to produce easy scores (runs/passes > 40 yards) and stalled a bit too often in the redzone. I can see these picks helping with both--opening up Portis/Moss/ARE for bigger plays while addressing our redzone failings with some "bigs" at receiver...
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This is what I think happened with the TE...
The Skins got the first WR because of value...and because Merling was gone.
Then the Skins saw great value with the TE and figured....hey...a TE is like another WR and this guy is great....better grab him....Campbell will be around...
Then Campbell disappeared just like Merling and the Skins went value for a WR again...they kinda had too in a way...

Bottom line...their mistake was not being able to pass over a great value TE in an effort to shore up a major need....they were thinking they could squeeze a couple more pick out before DL disappeared...they were wrong and got greedy....now we are overstaffed on O and have no potential starters on Dline.....again.

Don't get me wrong...I like 2 good WR's...but we dont need another TE....that will be on the bench at least 75% of the time..heck...the second WR will be in the same situation...
A Dline pick would have potentially been starting 75% of the time....
That is my issue...
If you lock yourself into value only....your draft is graded well but you haven't addressed your key needs.

How many predraft folks were saying the skins needed 2 WR and a TE?
Most were saying 1 WR....the rest was line and defense.
Maybe they all understood that 1.) Chris Cooley needed a capable backup - which we don't currently have; and 2.) A second receiving tight end is vital for Zorn's offense to work.

I highly suggest checking out the youtube clip SmootSmack posted as an example of how double TE sets can confuse opposing defenses.
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I'm still trying to figure out this TE we drafted...WHY? We could have had Campbell right? Or did I miss something??
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Old 04-26-2008, 10:32 PM   #734
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I agree with drafting the WR's at the time. They were the best available football players. But the TE pick was foolish. We should have taken DE Campbell.

This a typical Snyderatto draft. Offense offense offense. Snyderatto has never met a skill position player he did not want to get. This is the only reason i do not like Snyderatto as our GM. I do not dislike them, it is a diffrence in philosophy.
I prefer we draft Lineman. It is simple reasoning, there more people on this planet that are the size of a skill position player. There are less 6'6" 300 pound star athletes on this planet. So getting talented and skilled linemen is more difficult because there are less of them in our population.

The Redskins built their dynasty of the 80's and early 90's on strong lines. Our lines were big and deep.
Our WR's on the other hand, other than 1st round pick Art Monk, were nobodys Charlie Brown, Alvin Garret, Ricky Sanders, Virgil Seay. WR's are a dime a dozen.

Before you run your mouth, get your damned facts straight, ignorant.

2007
1. LaRon Landry, S, LSU
5. Dallas Sartz, LB, USC
6. H.B. Blades, LB, Pittsburgh
6. Jordan Palmer, QB, UTEP
7. Tyler Ecker, TE, Michigan

2006
2. Roger McIntosh, OLB, Miami - 35th overall
5. Anthony Montgomery, DT, Minnesota - 153rd overall
6. Reed Doughty, S, North Colorado - 173rd overall
6. Kedric Golston, DT, Georgia - 196th overall
7. Kili Lefotu, OG, Arizona - 230th overall
7. Kevin Simon, ILB, Tennessee - 250th overall


2005
1. Carlos Rogers, CB, Auburn (9th overall)
1. Jason Campbell, QB, Auburn (25th overall)
4. Manuel White, FB, UCLA (120th overall)
5. Robert McCune, ILB, Louisville (154th overall)
6. Jared Newberry, OLB, Stanford (183rd overall)
7. Nehemiah Broughton, FB, The Citadel (222nd overall)


2004
1. Sean Taylor, S, Miami - 5th overall
3. Chris Cooley, TE, Utah State - 81st overall
5. Mark Wilson, OT, California - 151st overall
6. Jim Molinaro, OT, Notre Dame - 180th overall



11 Defensive players in 4 years.
3 Offensive Linemen
6 Skill Players

Offense Offense Offense?

11 D
9 O

And when is the last time we drafted a WR in the first round?01 and 03. You can see a distinction in Snyderatto's evolution. He let Spurrier dictate who he wanted, and it bit him in the ass, with us as fans. Two WR's is not that bad of a pick. Everyone we have on D isn't exactally retiring. We need a cb, we need a ss, and line help. I understand to an extent where they are coming from. At those late picks, you cannot pass up a first rounder thats slipped THAT far. I know the rest of the draft is going to be OL and defense.
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That's a good deal for us considering we seemed to have gotten who we were targeting anyway.
Does anyone know why we selected 2 wr's? Or was this just a case of best player available at the time (kelly)?
It was, it was an excellent trade, but the results were horrible. Being a slave to the BPA no matter what is a recipie for failure. Honestly I'm mad at myself for putting so much trust into Cerrato and Snyder.
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