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Old 04-27-2008, 12:09 AM   #811
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It sure would have been great to get Carter some help! Now to get help for the D line or the O line is highly unlikely! We have a late 3rd,early 4th and no 5th. A 6th and three 7ths. If we get one starter here we will be lucky. I hope the lines can hold up another year!
Depth in the trenches, or lack thereof, will be our achilles heel until it gets addressed. I'm hoping that Vinny has some good OL/DL projects in mind for tomorrow.
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Old 04-27-2008, 12:17 AM   #812
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Depth in the trenches, or lack thereof, will be our achilles heel until it gets addressed. I'm hoping that Vinny has some good OL/DL projects in mind for tomorrow.
Lets say the first three are that good. But this draft to be great we will need to hit one or two starters out of the last six picks! You can see from the 07 season when one O linemen was out it hurt but as they begain to fall it was hard to find any replacement. Not able to run the ball or pass. Vinny needs to find some help sunday for this draft to be great!
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Old 04-27-2008, 12:18 AM   #813
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We don't really know if Thomas drops passes. We don't know if he runs good routes. We don't know if he's an NFL talent. Nothing he did in college suggests that he's good at anything football.

He's fast and strong. That much we know about him. He can jump, and move laterally very fast.

Sold? I'm not.
Not sold in the least. We could have taken Rachal here for our oline talent and still done the "crazy" thing w/ the best TE in the draft and a great big WR. I would sleep much better tonight if that was the reality.
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Old 04-27-2008, 12:32 AM   #814
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You can't trade comp picks ,,,, maybe we draft more Wr's .
Then we should try to trade our 6th and the noncom 7th for a 5th (or if we're damn lucky another 4th. Let's be honest, as it stands right now we basically have two real picks left in the 08 draft. 6th and 7th rounders are almost always punching bags who get thrown aside. Coming away w/ another real pick would be slick.
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Old 04-27-2008, 12:39 AM   #815
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We don't really know if Thomas drops passes. We don't know if he runs good routes. We don't know if he's an NFL talent. Nothing he did in college suggests that he's good at anything football.

He's fast and strong. That much we know about him. He can jump, and move laterally very fast.

Sold? I'm not.
I'm totally baffled by this post. I think you spend too much time with your metrics and DVOAs and your DPARs that you overanalyze way too often and then you find yourself trying to convince us that we're better off with Tim Rattay, yet Devin Thomas has only shown the ability to run and jump
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Old 04-27-2008, 01:02 AM   #816
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I'm totally baffled by this post. I think you spend too much time with your metrics and DVOAs and your DPARs that you overanalyze way too often and then you find yourself trying to convince us that we're better off with Tim Rattay, yet Devin Thomas has only shown the ability to run and jump
Forget about me for a second. Is anything I said untrue?
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Old 04-27-2008, 01:15 AM   #817
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Forget about me for a second. Is anything I said untrue?
Well I don't know what you mean by "We don't know if he's an NFL talent" Technically we don't know that about anyone until they play in an NFL game

And then "nothing he did in college suggests he good at anything football" What does that even mean?
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Old 04-27-2008, 01:30 AM   #818
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Yeah I am baffled too. Tripp you have given none of your treasured evidence to show why Thomas is such a dud. You just say it like it is proven fact and the only people on the planet who didn't know he sucked were the redskins and most of their fans.
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Old 04-27-2008, 01:40 AM   #819
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Forget about me for a second. Is anything I said untrue?
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We don't really know if Thomas drops passes. We don't know if he runs good routes. We don't know if he's an NFL talent.
I'd stipulate to all of that but you'd have to stipulate that everything you said was irrelevant. We "know" no more about Thomas than any other player in this draft as SS pointed out. We can't possibly preict the future.

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GRec Yds TD Lg Rec/G Avg/C Avg/G
13 79 1260 8 80 6.1 15.9 96.9

NONE of that shows he can play football? None?
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Yeah I am baffled too. Tripp you have given none of your treasured evidence to show why Thomas is such a dud. You just say it like it is proven fact and the only people on the planet who didn't know he sucked were the redskins and most of their fans.

All of his stats were from one year. He had transfered from a smaller school and didnt get the "full" college playing time experience. A lot of analysts said the same thing about him being untested and there wasnt really too much to go off of when evaluating the guy, at least with film.

I think GT's point was our first pick was rather risky, so whats the big deal if he wasnt totally sold on the idea of picking him?

I think we should have taken Sweed personally but its whatever. I'm ok with Devin Thomas and im sure all of us will have our eyes on him this year.
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Old 04-27-2008, 04:08 AM   #821
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Bottom line, all three first day picks came outside of the first round and all three were at great value considering any of them, Davis included, could have been taken in the first round and no one would have batted an eye. And as I stated earlier, all three will make the team and bring immediate impact.
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Thrash is probably indeed toast as well as any WR that isn't Moss or Randle El, unless the latter two will be trade bait. Strange pick for a new TE. Guy is a beast, but we do need a S and a young CB real bad, so why "waste" a pick on a non necessity? Zorn must not like our depth a TE at all. Overall I am OK with today's events though. IF Cooley goes down we have a beast of a backup or even someone that can give Cooley some real competition. Moss is getting old and gets banged up too easy anymore. Still pissed at that fumble of his that cost us the Packers game and his nonchalant attitude about his crappy play that followed.
Santana Moss has been getting a free pass from the fans for what he did three years ago. Since then, he's been a lackluster, average wide receiver. And anyone who thinks any different is delusional.

Thrash is trash, and Anthony Mix had better burn it up in training camp if he hopes to be a part of this team. Randle El can go bye-bye as far as I'm concerned. He's a #3 wideout at best and a ho-hum punt returner. If we can snag a 4th rounder for him, I'd say 'see ya.'
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Old 04-27-2008, 09:04 AM   #823
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Do you mean at the draft or with the Redskins at Redskins Park? Because if you are suprised that he wasn't at the actual draft, that's really no big deal, there aren't any head coaches who actually go to the draft, they usually just send 3-4 team personnel to New York to put the name on the card and notify the league who they are drafting. Everyone else, i.e. front office, coaches, DS, they are all at Redskins Park.

aaahhh...ok, yeah I didn't know. I guess its no big deal then.
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Old 04-27-2008, 09:21 AM   #824
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Santana Moss has been getting a free pass from the fans for what he did three years ago. Since then, he's been a lackluster, average wide receiver. And anyone who thinks any different is delusional.

Thrash is trash, and Anthony Mix had better burn it up in training camp if he hopes to be a part of this team. Randle El can go bye-bye as far as I'm concerned. He's a #3 wideout at best and a ho-hum punt returner. If we can snag a 4th rounder for him, I'd say 'see ya.'
I don't disagree with your assessment, but because of the cap hits Moss and ARE go nowhere before 2010.
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Santana Moss has been getting a free pass from the fans for what he did three years ago. Since then, he's been a lackluster, average wide receiver. And anyone who thinks any different is delusional.

Thrash is trash, and Anthony Mix had better burn it up in training camp if he hopes to be a part of this team. Randle El can go bye-bye as far as I'm concerned. He's a #3 wideout at best and a ho-hum punt returner. If we can snag a 4th rounder for him, I'd say 'see ya.'
Back off my man Thrash. He provides a solid, hard working aditude and is one of the best Special Teamers in the league. El can not perform when the true slot receiver is stuck on the other end of a 5'10 receiver. Mix has yet to be proven but it is wrong to just throw him out the door. And Moss is a burner who, when complemented with another larger reciever who can take some pressure off him, will be a major weapon for us. There is much more to football than going long and recieving. There is fundementals of Football, hard work ethics, and talent. All of which I feel all of our receivers (well not Mix, yet... but there is a reason he has not been cut) exhibit every day be it offseason or Sunday.
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