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Old 04-27-2008, 09:46 AM   #826
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I don't disagree with your assessment, but because of the cap hits Moss and ARE go nowhere before 2010.
Are you serious? You don't disagree that Moss is at best an average wide receiver? Did you watch any games last year after he got back to being healthy? Bears, Giants, Vikings, Cowboys? I'm glad fans don't evaluate talent for this team at any level other than internet posts.
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Old 04-27-2008, 09:57 AM   #827
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Are you serious? You don't disagree that Moss is at best an average wide receiver? Did you watch any games last year after he got back to being healthy? Bears, Giants, Vikings, Cowboys? I'm glad fans don't evaluate talent for this team at any level other than internet posts.
One receiver alone cannot make an impact. All season we were limited in our WR's. Those games you speak of Moss did perform "average" but that was with another under 6' tall reciver who is not as fast as him on the other side. Moss is an asset and you will see that now that he has an opportunity to play without being double teamed. You cant pass judgement on him based on last season. I am almost certain you will be puting ketchup on and eating your post for lunch next season.
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Old 04-27-2008, 10:13 AM   #828
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if we have to move some picks to move up here in the third and nab a decent OL or CB prospect...I will not mind, anyone else?
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Old 04-27-2008, 10:16 AM   #829
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if we have to move some picks to move up here in the third and nab a decent OL or CB prospect...I will not mind, anyone else?
Yeah same here but I would rather get a DE, CB, and O-line in that order.
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Old 04-27-2008, 10:18 AM   #830
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Yeah same here but I would rather get a DE, CB, and O-line in that order.
yeah, but its my understanding that there aren't any quality DE prospects left...anyone you can name?
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Old 04-27-2008, 10:23 AM   #831
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Back off my man Thrash. He provides a solid, hard working aditude and is one of the best Special Teamers in the league. El can not perform when the true slot receiver is stuck on the other end of a 5'10 receiver. Mix has yet to be proven but it is wrong to just throw him out the door. And Moss is a burner who, when complemented with another larger reciever who can take some pressure off him, will be a major weapon for us. There is much more to football than going long and recieving. There is fundementals of Football, hard work ethics, and talent. All of which I feel all of our receivers (well not Mix, yet... but there is a reason he has not been cut) exhibit every day be it offseason or Sunday.
No, by 'trash' I mean he's probably gone. Thrash has contributed nicely over the years, but at some point he's going to have to make way for guys who can make big plays. I just think his time here is done.

With Mix, I'm only saying that he's got some serious competition now, so he'd better be up to the task. Otherwise there just won't be any room for him. Unless they totally bomb and suck out loud, I'd say Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly already have the edge on him.

As for Moss, yes, I know he's not going anywhere due to cap constraints. Perhaps the additions of other wideouts who can draw more attention from the DBs will take some heat off of him. I just think too many people are still living in 2005 when Moss was fantastic. They just can't seem to come to grips with the fact that he hasn't been anywhere near that level of productivity since.
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Old 04-27-2008, 10:45 AM   #832
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2 wide receivers and a tight end on the first day with an aged Offensive line and no pass rush was a bad draft. The shuffling that went on with the offensive line last year should not be forgotten and should have been addressed earlier. I have always hated teams that use the Cerrato philosophy of 'best available'.

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Old 04-27-2008, 10:55 AM   #833
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I'd have loved the Kelly and Thomas picks if we had gotten some help on the D to go along with it. I have no problem not taking OL help yet. The talent is just as strong in the later rounds there. But not at DE. What do we do now?

As far as improving our WRs Kelly and Thomas is great, but does it make our team better?
It doesn't make us better cause one guy isn't going to play unless we're going to be running a lot of 4 wr sets.
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Old 04-27-2008, 10:58 AM   #834
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We don't really know if Thomas drops passes. We don't know if he runs good routes. We don't know if he's an NFL talent. Nothing he did in college suggests that he's good at anything football.

He's fast and strong. That much we know about him. He can jump, and move laterally very fast.

Sold? I'm not.
I'm not sold either. Too much of a risk IMO.
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Old 04-27-2008, 11:01 AM   #835
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I'm totally baffled by this post. I think you spend too much time with your metrics and DVOAs and your DPARs that you overanalyze way too often and then you find yourself trying to convince us that we're better off with Tim Rattay, yet Devin Thomas has only shown the ability to run and jump
Smoot....I really really like Thomas but with your first pick you need to go with more of a sure thing. Don't you think?
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Old 04-27-2008, 11:07 AM   #836
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Thomas was rated as first round talent and was projected to possibly go as high as #11 to Buffalo. I don't think he would have been a reach even at #21, to get him where we did was fantastic.
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Are you serious? You don't disagree that Moss is at best an average wide receiver? Did you watch any games last year after he got back to being healthy? Bears, Giants, Vikings, Cowboys? I'm glad fans don't evaluate talent for this team at any level other than internet posts.
My how times have changed around here. I remember not too long ago there was a thread about how Randy Moss was done and Santana was better.
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Old 04-27-2008, 11:11 AM   #838
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Thomas was rated as first round talent and was projected to possibly go as high as #11 to Buffalo. I don't think he would have been a reach even at #21, to get him where we did was fantastic.
I guess so. I just understand the overkill at wr.
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GRec Yds TD Lg Rec/G Avg/C Avg/G
13 79 1260 8 80 6.1 15.9 96.9

NONE of that shows he can play football? None?
Why do you come out if you are Devin Thomas? Why does it make any sense?

You've had a pretty nice season, but you haven't proved that it can be repeated. You have a year of eligibility left, why not return to school, get better at your trade, and help your college team win?

If nothing else, we can tell that Devin Thomas was more interested in a pay day than becoming the best wide receiver he can be. Perhaps I'm wrong on him, and he will be good enough to start in this league. But either way, I'm tired of adding players who are in it for the money.

Obviously to an extent, everyones in it for the money. But that didn't stop most players from waiting a year and improving themselves so that they could become the best they could be. Thomas doesn't seem to be worried about improving himself.

Malcolm Kelly came out early, but his touchdown production went from 2, to 10, to 9. He's done it multiple years and is a far superior prospect to Thomas.

I'm sorry to hate on your guy's parade with reality, but we took a guy on hype, and that rarely works out.
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I guess so. I just understand the overkill at wr.
If Zorn intends on using a lot of 3 and 4 WR sets and rotating these guys in and out depending on the packages it makes sense. Not sure how you can have overkill when you look at the mediocre WR production we had last year. I think this draft indicates the shift in philosophy from Gibbs run first mentality to Zorn's offense which looks like it's going to be pass heavy.
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