The official 2008 draft discussion thread

[AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace]

Originally Posted by mooby

Do you mean at the draft or with the Redskins at Redskins Park? Because if you are suprised that he wasn't at the actual draft, that's really no big deal, there aren't any head coaches who actually go to the draft, they usually just send 3-4 team personnel to New York to put the name on the card and notify the league who they are drafting. Everyone else, i.e. front office, coaches, DS, they are all at Redskins Park.

aaahhh...ok, yeah I didn't know. I guess its no big deal then.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Santana Moss has been getting a free pass from the fans for what he did three years ago. Since then, he's been a lackluster, average wide receiver. And anyone who thinks any different is delusional.

Thrash is trash, and Anthony Mix had better burn it up in training camp if he hopes to be a part of this team. Randle El can go bye-bye as far as I'm concerned. He's a #3 wideout at best and a ho-hum punt returner. If we can snag a 4th rounder for him, I'd say 'see ya.'

I don't disagree with your assessment, but because of the cap hits Moss and ARE go nowhere before 2010.

[Stuck in TX]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Santana Moss has been getting a free pass from the fans for what he did three years ago. Since then, he's been a lackluster, average wide receiver. And anyone who thinks any different is delusional.

Thrash is trash, and Anthony Mix had better burn it up in training camp if he hopes to be a part of this team. Randle El can go bye-bye as far as I'm concerned. He's a #3 wideout at best and a ho-hum punt returner. If we can snag a 4th rounder for him, I'd say 'see ya.'

Back off my man Thrash. He provides a solid, hard working aditude and is one of the best Special Teamers in the league. El can not perform when the true slot receiver is stuck on the other end of a 5'10 receiver. Mix has yet to be proven but it is wrong to just throw him out the door. And Moss is a burner who, when complemented with another larger reciever who can take some pressure off him, will be a major weapon for us. There is much more to football than going long and recieving. There is fundementals of Football, hard work ethics, and talent. All of which I feel all of our receivers (well not Mix, yet... but there is a reason he has not been cut) exhibit every day be it offseason or Sunday.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I don't disagree with your assessment, but because of the cap hits Moss and ARE go nowhere before 2010.

Are you serious? You don't disagree that Moss is at best an average wide receiver? Did you watch any games last year after he got back to being healthy? Bears, Giants, Vikings, Cowboys? I'm glad fans don't evaluate talent for this team at any level other than internet posts.

[Stuck in TX]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Are you serious? You don't disagree that Moss is at best an average wide receiver? Did you watch any games last year after he got back to being healthy? Bears, Giants, Vikings, Cowboys? I'm glad fans don't evaluate talent for this team at any level other than internet posts.

One receiver alone cannot make an impact. All season we were limited in our WR's. Those games you speak of Moss did perform "average" but that was with another under 6' tall reciver who is not as fast as him on the other side. Moss is an asset and you will see that now that he has an opportunity to play without being double teamed. You cant pass judgement on him based on last season. I am almost certain you will be puting ketchup on and eating your post for lunch next season.

[AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace]

if we have to move some picks to move up here in the third and nab a decent OL or CB prospect...I will not mind, anyone else?

[Stuck in TX]

Originally Posted by AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace

if we have to move some picks to move up here in the third and nab a decent OL or CB prospect...I will not mind, anyone else?

Yeah same here but I would rather get a DE, CB, and O-line in that order.

[AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace]

Originally Posted by Stuck in TX

Yeah same here but I would rather get a DE, CB, and O-line in that order.

yeah, but its my understanding that there aren't any quality DE prospects left...anyone you can name?

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Stuck in TX

Back off my man Thrash. He provides a solid, hard working aditude and is one of the best Special Teamers in the league. El can not perform when the true slot receiver is stuck on the other end of a 5'10 receiver. Mix has yet to be proven but it is wrong to just throw him out the door. And Moss is a burner who, when complemented with another larger reciever who can take some pressure off him, will be a major weapon for us. There is much more to football than going long and recieving. There is fundementals of Football, hard work ethics, and talent. All of which I feel all of our receivers (well not Mix, yet... but there is a reason he has not been cut) exhibit every day be it offseason or Sunday.

No, by 'trash' I mean he's probably gone. Thrash has contributed nicely over the years, but at some point he's going to have to make way for guys who can make big plays. I just think his time here is done.

With Mix, I'm only saying that he's got some serious competition now, so he'd better be up to the task. Otherwise there just won't be any room for him. Unless they totally bomb and suck out loud, I'd say Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly already have the edge on him.

As for Moss, yes, I know he's not going anywhere due to cap constraints. Perhaps the additions of other wideouts who can draw more attention from the DBs will take some heat off of him. I just think too many people are still living in 2005 when Moss was fantastic. They just can't seem to come to grips with the fact that he hasn't been anywhere near that level of productivity since.

[djdunick]

2 wide receivers and a tight end on the first day with an aged Offensive line and no pass rush was a bad draft. The shuffling that went on with the offensive line last year should not be forgotten and should have been addressed earlier. I have always hated teams that use the Cerrato philosophy of 'best available'.

I run a part time DJ biz and if I need a new amplifier and walk into the DJ store and buy a new mixer because it's on sale and a 'good value' what the heck good is it. I still need a new amp.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'd have loved the Kelly and Thomas picks if we had gotten some help on the D to go along with it. I have no problem not taking OL help yet. The talent is just as strong in the later rounds there. But not at DE. What do we do now?

As far as improving our WRs Kelly and Thomas is great, but does it make our team better?

It doesn't make us better cause one guy isn't going to play unless we're going to be running a lot of 4 wr sets.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

We don't really know if Thomas drops passes. We don't know if he runs good routes. We don't know if he's an NFL talent. Nothing he did in college suggests that he's good at anything football.

He's fast and strong. That much we know about him. He can jump, and move laterally very fast.

Sold? I'm not.

I'm not sold either. Too much of a risk IMO.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm totally baffled by this post. I think you spend too much time with your metrics and DVOAs and your DPARs that you overanalyze way too often and then you find yourself trying to convince us that we're better off with Tim Rattay, yet Devin Thomas has only shown the ability to run and jump

Smoot....I really really like Thomas but with your first pick you need to go with more of a sure thing. Don't you think?

[Mattyk72]

Thomas was rated as first round talent and was projected to possibly go as high as #11 to Buffalo. I don't think he would have been a reach even at #21, to get him where we did was fantastic.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Are you serious? You don't disagree that Moss is at best an average wide receiver? Did you watch any games last year after he got back to being healthy? Bears, Giants, Vikings, Cowboys? I'm glad fans don't evaluate talent for this team at any level other than internet posts.

My how times have changed around here. I remember not too long ago there was a thread about how Randy Moss was done and Santana was better.