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View Poll Results: Overall Draft Grade for the Redskins:
A 60 20.48%
B 186 63.48%
C 40 13.65%
D 4 1.37%
F 3 1.02%
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Old 04-28-2008, 04:16 PM   #151
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Re: Overall Draft Grade for the Redskins

It's real simple.
I hear Riggo singing the praises of the Skins recent draft. He re-iterates the apparent praises of the Skins draft from "Jaws". His next statement says it all regarding the negativity surrounding same.
"Non-football" people often make mistakes about such things............................well said
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Old 04-28-2008, 04:17 PM   #152
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Re: Overall Draft Grade for the Redskins

It's just really nice to hear some people giving the Skins credit. I'm a little nervous about some of the picks, but a lot of people in the know have good things to say.
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Old 04-28-2008, 04:39 PM   #153
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But don't you think healthy WRs that can get open will only help Campbell as he gains more experience.
The problem is if the o-line can't protect JC to give him time to find the open receiver. The last thing we need is for JC to take a beating and have a major injury.

Great offensive lines are critical. An average receiver can get open if he has enough time. Most corners can cover any receiver if they know they only need to cover the guy for 3 seconds because that is all the time their defensive line will need to get to the QB. Of all fans we should know that with the Hogs. They could make any QB look good because they could sit back and wait for someone to get open. Before last year, Brady never really had a superstar WR but he had a great line and could just pick defenses apart. Superbowl time he got pressured and even with Moss he failed. Romo was lights out until his line got injured and he started getting pressured.
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Old 04-28-2008, 05:03 PM   #154
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Re: Overall Draft Grade for the Redskins

The way some people talk here you'd think we didn't have Samuels, Kendall, Rabach, Thomas, and Jansen starting.

"But they're getting old, and can they stay healthy?" Fine, but it's not like ARE and Moss have found the fountain of youth or have shown a propensity to stay healthy.
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Old 04-28-2008, 05:14 PM   #155
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The way some people talk here you'd think we didn't have Samuels, Kendall, Rabach, Thomas, and Jansen starting.

"But they're getting old, and can they stay healthy?" Fine, but it's not like ARE and Moss have found the fountain of youth or have shown a propensity to stay healthy.
Most great receivers can still play at about the same level once they hit 30+. That is not true in general for the offensive line since they are more prone to knee/leg injuries and it catches up to them. Jansen is great, but missed all of last year and who knows how he will be when he gets back. Thomas also missed most of last year. If you could guarantee these 5 will stay healthy all year then I would be happy, but the reality is that it is very doubtful they will.

I have no problems with the guys drafted and think they have potential. I just think Snyder was overzealous with wanting a big game receiver and put all his chips in one basket. I was happy with Thomas and thought trading down was a great move. I just think drafting a second TE and another receiver instead of a defensive or offensive lineman was iffy. Finding a second TE to play in those packages that require a second TE is not as critical as having a dependable lineman that plays every down IMO.
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Old 04-28-2008, 05:20 PM   #156
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Well until someone can prove their a better LT than Samuels, that job is his. Heyer and Alexander have a ways to go but they have plenty of promise. So do Rinehart and this guy they got from Appalachian State.

You've got to have some faith in Joe Bugel. He's proven himself for over two decades as a coach.

It doesn't matter if you have all day to throw if you have no one to throw to
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Old 04-28-2008, 05:25 PM   #157
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Well until someone can prove their a better LT than Samuels, that job is his. Heyer and Alexander have a ways to go but they have plenty of promise. So do Rinehart and this guy they got from Appalachian State.

You've got to have some faith in Joe Bugel. He's proven himself for over two decades as a coach.

It doesn't matter if you have all day to throw if you have no one to throw to
It seems like in the last 48 hours your opinion of ARE and Moss has done a complete 180.
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Old 04-28-2008, 05:28 PM   #158
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i voted B cause i think they did very well but not earth shattering but solid all in all..
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Old 04-28-2008, 05:46 PM   #159
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It seems like in the last 48 hours your opinion of ARE and Moss has done a complete 180.
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Old 04-28-2008, 06:42 PM   #160
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Just to be clear, my stance on the receivers is as follows

-At this moment Santana Moss is unquestionably our most valuable wide receiver. When healthy, he's a game changer. I think he's perfectly capable of being a #1 WR. HOWEVER, he needs a solid #2 on the other side of the field from him. FURTHERMORE, he has not been able to stay consistently healthy.

-Randle El is a solid WR who is probably a bit in over his head trying to be a #2 WR. Particualarly when the #1 is Santana Moss

-I have the utmost respect for Caldwell, McCardell, and Thrash. Solid contributors who, for the most part, did their part. But two are gone. And the third probably needs to go soon. Plus we can't fall back on guys like that and the Jimmy Farris' of the world each time we have injuries to our wide receivers, which has happened plenty the last several years (Patten, Lloyd, ARE, Moss, Thrash all out for extended games)

-I'm sure Mix has plenty of potential. Let's see it

-Devin Thomas' upside is...unknown. I was stunned he fell to us.

-As is Malcolm Kelly's. Yet I think Kelly will have the more immediate impact. I think over the next several years, Moss and Thomas will be our star WRs. But they should be thanking Malcolm Kelly for making it easy for them. I was thrilled we got him when we got him.

-When I say no one to throw to, I mean if the starters are hurt.

-What I'd like to see this year. Moss 1, Kelly 2, ARE/Thomas 3 (and then we'll see about the rest)

-So I don't think my opinion has changed. I want to give Moss every opportunity to be the #1 WR. He's earned it. But he needs help and he needs to stay healthy.
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The way some people talk here you'd think we didn't have Samuels, Kendall, Rabach, Thomas, and Jansen starting.

"But they're getting old, and can they stay healthy?" Fine, but it's not like ARE and Moss have found the fountain of youth or have shown a propensity to stay healthy.
The way some people talk you would think the line has gone to complete shit.

Yes they're on the wrong side of 30 but we caught some bad breaks (literally) last year with Jansen and Thomas. I doubt we'll see another season where 2 of the 5 starters go down.

And I keep seeing people say we didn't address the line. Does Rinehart not count? Is Heyer not a good find from last year?
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Old 04-28-2008, 07:29 PM   #162
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I dont think so. In fact I think WR was one of the areas where the Skins were in decent shape. I think O & D Line were way bigger needs than WR.
I guess you didn't mind Moss and ARE combining for 4 TDs last year?
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Old 04-28-2008, 07:57 PM   #163
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I know your goal is to equalize the debate, but I'm wondering if anything has happened to your perception of Moss and Randle El to lead you to the conclusion that neither can be relied on for anything this year. Beyond the injury risk, I mean.
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Old 04-28-2008, 07:58 PM   #164
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I guess you didn't mind Moss and ARE combining for 4 TDs last year?
I didn't because all the touchdowns went to Cooley, who just can't be covered in the red zone.
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Old 04-28-2008, 08:05 PM   #165
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I know your goal is to equalize the debate, but I'm wondering if anything has happened to your perception of Moss and Randle El to lead you to the conclusion that neither can be relied on for anything this year. Beyond the injury risk, I mean.
My reception of Moss and Randle El?

Anyway, see post #161
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