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A 60 20.48%
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C 40 13.65%
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Old 04-27-2008, 08:50 PM   #46
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WOW!!!

No wonder the redskins never draft: we suck at it. I'll admit Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly were decent picks but what the heck do we need Fred Davis for we have Cooley and Yoder (who makes some pretty good catches in the clutch). We should have pick a D-lineman instead of Davis (Groves, Campbell, Thomas, Jones and Ellis were still availible). We had depth issues at linebacker that were not addressed. We could have gotten Marcus Howard, who is versitile enough to play linebacker and defensive end (almost an exact clone of Marcus Washington) but instead we trade away our fifth round pick and Indy snags him. Why would we go with Chad Rinehart of N. Iowa when Mike McGlynn was still availible. McGlynn brings more experience from playing better opponents in the Big East than Rinehart who played in some community college division at Northern Iowa. We wasted a pick on a punter when Derrick Frost did a tremendous job this season. I agree with the selection of Colt Brennan. We definately could use a young backup quarterback (especially one like Brennan who, unlike Campbell doesn't throw late game interceptions that causes us to lose).

Overall the draft was very pathetic and disappointing and I rate it as a D only because of the selections of Thomas, Kelly and Brennan.
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Old 04-27-2008, 08:56 PM   #47
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WOW!!!

No wonder the redskins never draft: we suck at it. I'll admit Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly were decent picks but what the heck do we need Fred Davis for we have Cooley and Yoder (who makes some pretty good catches in the clutch). We should have pick a D-lineman instead of Davis (Groves, Campbell, Thomas, Jones and Ellis were still availible). We had depth issues at linebacker that were not addressed. We could have gotten Marcus Howard, who is versitile enough to play linebacker and defensive end (almost an exact clone of Marcus Washington) but instead we trade away our fifth round pick and Indy snags him. Why would we go with Chad Rinehart of N. Iowa when Mike McGlynn was still availible. McGlynn brings more experience from playing better opponents in the Big East than Rinehart who played in some community college division at Northern Iowa. We wasted a pick on a punter when Derrick Frost did a tremendous job this season. I agree with the selection of Colt Brennan. We definately could use a young backup quarterback (especially one like Brennan who, unlike Campbell doesn't throw late game interceptions that causes us to lose).

Overall the draft was very pathetic and disappointing and I rate it as a D only because of the selections of Thomas, Kelly and Brennan.
There are so many flaws with this argument that it's not worth wasting time responding to, so I hope no one does.
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Old 04-27-2008, 08:57 PM   #48
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Joe Bugel will turn Rinehart into a pro-bowler. At least, that's what I'm hoping. I was a little perplexed by the first three picks, but I think they addressed our biggest problem with Thomas, Davis, and Kelley : red zone scoring. A day later, I love those first three picks. The more weapons, the better.
A lot of people wanted to draft o-line and d-line, which is understandable, but I think the d-line was great against the run last year and the o-line was decent and can only be better with the return of Jansen and Thomas. I really like the punter. The most underrated player on the Giants Super Bowl team was Jeff Feagles. He always seems to give the opposing team bad field position. My only gripe is the selection of Colt Brennan. He seems to have been selected on name alone, kind of like Jordan Palmer. Overall though, I give it a B+.

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Old 04-27-2008, 08:58 PM   #49
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WOW!!!

No wonder the redskins never draft: we suck at it. I'll admit Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly were decent picks but what the heck do we need Fred Davis for we have Cooley and Yoder (who makes some pretty good catches in the clutch). We should have pick a D-lineman instead of Davis (Groves, Campbell, Thomas, Jones and Ellis were still availible). We had depth issues at linebacker that were not addressed. We could have gotten Marcus Howard, who is versitile enough to play linebacker and defensive end (almost an exact clone of Marcus Washington) but instead we trade away our fifth round pick and Indy snags him. Why would we go with Chad Rinehart of N. Iowa when Mike McGlynn was still availible. McGlynn brings more experience from playing better opponents in the Big East than Rinehart who played in some community college division at Northern Iowa. We wasted a pick on a punter when Derrick Frost did a tremendous job this season. I agree with the selection of Colt Brennan. We definately could use a young backup quarterback (especially one like Brennan who, unlike Campbell doesn't throw late game interceptions that causes us to lose).

Overall the draft was very pathetic and disappointing and I rate it as a D only because of the selections of Thomas, Kelly and Brennan.
Colt Brennan hasn't played a down in the NFL so we don't know if he will or won't throw late game INT's. If we go by his last performace against Georgia, and the past history of Qb's that play for June Jones, and his performance at the Senior Bowl, then Brennan isn't going to make it past OTA's.
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There are so many flaws with this argument that it's not worth wasting time responding to, so I hope no one does.
DC52 does bring up some valid points.
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Old 04-27-2008, 09:03 PM   #51
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There are so many flaws with this argument that it's not worth wasting time responding to, so I hope no one does.
You can't respond because you have NO arguement. I nailed this draft summary and you know it.
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C-

There were a bunch of good things that happened to us on draft day. For one, we fixed a Tight End gap that was quietly a huge hole with the Fred Davis pick. Chad Rinehart and Justin Tryon filled some pretty critical needs for us and could end up being steals. Colt Brennan could one day be traded for a first round draft pick if he impresses the league in limited playing time.

This team has a problem with taking players who we will never be able to feature. Last year we took Landry with the 6 overall pick. Excellent value, but again, we had Sean Taylor. That situation solved itself in the worst way possible, but that doesn't mean the pick was a great fit or anything.

Same thing with the overkill in the 2nd round. There's only one football. You can't feature more than two players in the offense. There just isn't enough footballs to go around. I understand that Fred Davis isn't going to be the featured TE. But who will be our featured wide receiver? It can't be both Thomas and Kelly. Teams that feature two wide receivers can't afford to throw the ball to the tight end, unless of course the quarterback is Manning or Brady.

The cold reality is one player is going to beat the other out, and the more inferior of the two receivers isn't going to play a big role for us. Maybe if they start playing the game with two footballs, or we sign Peyton Manning, but otherwise not.

Top to Bottom, we did alright, deserving of a C. We did alright, but we should have done better, especially after the tone setting trade. Trevor Laws, Calais Campbell, and Malcolm Kelly could have all been Redskins if we had done it the optimal way, but we got played by the Eagles and Cardinals respectively, and we lost out.

The only inexcusable part is that we used too many picks at the same position. You generally want to figure out what type of offense you want to be before the draft, and we did not do that.

I am glad that we didn't start trying to load up on defensive linemen on the 2nd day. I thought we had a strong, efficient, second day, and potentially pulled out two future starters.
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Top to Bottom, we did alright, deserving of a C. We did alright, but we should have done better, especially after the tone setting trade. Trevor Laws, Calais Campbell, and Malcolm Kelly could have all been Redskins, but we got played by the Eagles and Cardinals respectively, and we lost out.
Trevor Laws got picked right before our second round choice, and so did Calais Campbell.
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Old 04-27-2008, 09:08 PM   #54
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Trevor Laws got picked right before our second round choice, and so did Calais Campbell.
Ah, but Trevor Laws did not get picked before our first choice, and Campbell did not before our second.

Merling was gone, and that was fine, but we did drop the ball ball to an extent in predicting who would take what player.
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I think if we were to rate the entire process, which would be inclusive of the draft day haul, as well as what we didn't do with the pick (trade for CJ), I'd bump it up to a B- or C+.

If instead of picking Devin Thomas, we selected Trevor Laws, this would be a pretty impressive haul. Laws, Kelly, Davis, Rinehart, Tryon...etc. That would help both sides of the ball immensely.

Instead, we helped one side of the ball immensely, and on the other side, we are just a year older. Thusly, we did alright, but we should have done better.
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This is off topic but I'm very very impressed with what Miami is doing.
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Old 04-27-2008, 09:21 PM   #57
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I think if we were to rate the entire process, which would be inclusive of the draft day haul, as well as what we didn't do with the pick (trade for CJ), I'd bump it up to a B- or C+.

If instead of picking Devin Thomas, we selected Trevor Laws, this would be a pretty impressive haul. Laws, Kelly, Davis, Rinehart, Tryon...etc. That would help both sides of the ball immensely.

Instead, we helped one side of the ball immensely, and on the other side, we are just a year older. Thusly, we did alright, but we should have done better.
I hope I'm wrong but I get the feeling the defense could slip back to 06 form.
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I hope I'm wrong but I get the feeling the defense could slip back to 06 form.
We are too deep in the secondary for it to be that bad, however, the run defense should be the worst it has been in awhile this year. Sean Taylor was awful in 2006, and I personally expect Landry to improve over his impressive rookie season. Remember, we were historically bad in 2006

Although, as every year, Griffin is a wild card. If he's healthy, he's still dominant. The front office just likes to bank on him being healthy every year, which last happened back in 2005.

It seems likely that we won't be as good as last year on defense or overall. That's not really a draft problem though, we just happen to be the oldest team in the league.
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DC52 does bring up some valid points.
Fine. Let's take a look at some of the flaws in his argument

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No wonder the redskins never draft: we suck at it.
Yeah we have a history of making such horrible decisioins when we draft. Even the biggest haters know that's not true

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I'll admit Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly were decent picks but what the heck do we need Fred Davis for we have Cooley and Yoder (who makes some pretty good catches in the clutch).
OK, so then what do we need Thomas and Kelly for if we have Moss, El, Thrash, Mix? Which is it? I agree Fred Davis was a bit of a head scratcher but hardly a terrible pick. As for picking DEs, maybe but at that point we don't take one just to take one.

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We had depth issues at linebacker that were not addressed. We could have gotten Marcus Howard, who is versitile enough to play linebacker and defensive end (almost an exact clone of Marcus Washington) but instead we trade away our fifth round pick and Indy snags him.
We had depth issues at several positions, and addressed plenty of them. Marcus Howard is fine, but we have Chris Wilson who is versatile enough to play both positions.

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Why would we go with Chad Rinehart of N. Iowa when Mike McGlynn was still availible. McGlynn brings more experience from playing better opponents in the Big East than Rinehart who played in some community college division at Northern Iowa.
McGlynn's better because he's from a bigger program?

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We wasted a pick on a punter when Derrick Frost did a tremendous job this season.
Yeah I think the pick was probably a bit high, but Frost was hardly tremendous

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I agree with the selection of Colt Brennan. We definately could use a young backup quarterback (especially one like Brennan who, unlike Campbell doesn't throw late game interceptions that causes us to lose).
And the irony is he tops it all off by praising the Brennan move while taking a shot at Campbell.

This draft wasn't perfect, but awful?? No way
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At least we have youth at receiver. But for those of you who don't think Santana Moss is good enough to be a number one, I doubt these draft picks will satisfy you. Devin Thomas' upside looks something like Eddie Kennison's career, and Malcolm Kelly's upside looks something like Keyshawn Johnson. Both of those guys were starters in this league for a long time, but that's a best case scenario. Additionally, some people on the WP would argue that neither of those guys was ever a number one receiver.

If he can rebound, I think Santana's job is safe.
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