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Old 04-28-2008, 11:47 AM   #121
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Don't you think you're being a little too tough on Kelly and Thomas? Kelly did start all 4 years at Ok. That's pretty damn impressive if you ask me. Don't you think so? How many wr's start all 4 years at a top college program? No many, if any at all. Right now it's just too early to tell if these guys are #1's or #2's.
Kelly started three years, came out as a junior.

The guys who start four years at a top college program and get picked high are the ones who lead the league in receiving every year. Torry Holt. Dwyane Bowe. Hines Ward. Javon Walker. Etc...

Kelly's issue was more of his speed. He's a Keyshawn Johnson type, it doesn't take a genius to see that. I mean, Keyshawn Johnson was very, very good for a long time. That's the best case scenario for Malcolm Kelly, who was productive multiple years in college.
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Old 04-28-2008, 11:52 AM   #122
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Didn't you just say neither will develop into a #1 WR?
That's an observation we can be fairly certain about, and an opinion that most draft analysts share. What I didn't do was try to tell you exactly how good they would be, because we have no clue.

All we can do is say "if he's everything we want him to be, he will be this", or "if he's a failure, he will be this". No one is trying to answer those questions right now, but people are misconstruing the concept of value. A bunch of teams passing on a player doesn't make him valuable and people are confused on this concept.

Devin Thomas was the second receiver selected. The only way he can be a steal is if he's the best receiver in the entire draft. That's how we have to grade value. Malcolm Kelly was the 6th or 7th receiver taken, so he has a much better chance to be valuable.

But no, I'm not saying that this player will be this or this player will be that. Just pointing out the obvious: no team in the NFL thought either of these guys would be a good No. 1 receiver for them, so they passed. A lot of teams think that both these guys have No. 2 potential, and hopefully, they pan out for us.
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Old 04-28-2008, 12:01 PM   #123
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That's an observation we can be fairly certain about, and an opinion that most draft analysts share. What I didn't do was try to tell you exactly how good they would be, because we have no clue.

All we can do is say "if he's everything we want him to be, he will be this", or "if he's a failure, he will be this". No one is trying to answer those questions right now, but people are misconstruing the concept of value. A bunch of teams passing on a player doesn't make him valuable and people are confused on this concept.

Devin Thomas was the second receiver selected. The only way he can be a steal is if he's the best receiver in the entire draft. That's how we have to grade value. Malcolm Kelly was the 6th or 7th receiver taken, so he has a much better chance to be valuable.

But no, I'm not saying that this player will be this or this player will be that. Just pointing out the obvious: no team in the NFL thought either of these guys would be a good No. 1 receiver for them, so they passed. A lot of teams think that both these guys have No. 2 potential, and hopefully, they pan out for us.
I agree, the concensus was that this draft was very weak at the receiver position with no clear No 1 type receiver. Hopefully we found 2 of them, but receiver is one of the toughest positions to judge if they will make it in the NFL and I think we would have been better overall addressing other needs after taking 1.
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Old 04-28-2008, 12:08 PM   #124
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That's an observation we can be fairly certain about, and an opinion that most draft analysts share. What I didn't do was try to tell you exactly how good they would be, because we have no clue.
Until we see these guys on the field and see how well they pick up the offense and how their skills translate to the NFL I don't think we can really be certain about anything. Plus there are aspects that we can't measure that are x factors here. Mainly their work ethics both on the field and in the film room.

In another thread I think you equated Thomas to Eddie Kennison and Kelly to Keyshawn Johnson. Sounds to me like you've told us how good you think they can be.
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Old 04-28-2008, 12:08 PM   #125
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WR was not a need coming off last year? Wow.
I dont think so. In fact I think WR was one of the areas where the Skins were in decent shape. I think O & D Line were way bigger needs than WR.
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Old 04-28-2008, 12:10 PM   #126
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F minus minus. I will elaborate on why grim4coach says vinnie and danny are retarded:

1) We took two identical WR's. Kelly is slow as molasses...4.78 40? DE's had better times.
2) We have a Pro Bowl TE. There's another roster spot that will go unused.
3) Rinehart & Tryon were both graded by most boards as seventh-round picks
4) We drafted a PUNTER??? Unbelievable. THERE IS NO WAY THIS GUY MAKES THE ROSTER. LET ME REPEAT: THERE IS NO WAY THIS GUY MAKES THE ROSTER.
5) Colt Brennan? Can't read a Defense and has a weak arm. Kinda reminds me of Danny Wureful. GREAT pick vinnie. WONT MAKE THE ROSTER. Oh yea...just had HIP SURGERY...prolly be on IR all year anyway.
6) The last two were at the end of round seven...they are practically FAs.

So one draft, ten picks...maybe one of these guys make the roster, Maybe.

F'n retarded.
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Old 04-28-2008, 12:17 PM   #127
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It sounds like we drafted based on the "best player available" philosophy. I think most GMs would agree that, in the long run, that's the best way to build a top notch franchise. Thomas, Kelly, Davis, and Brennan all appear to have been great values. I too wish we had drafted more linemen, but it's hard to take serious issue with the bpa philosophy.
That is exactly what we did and I think we had a pretty decent draft because of it. No, we didn't get any stud defense ends, but that's just how the draft worked out for us. I like the philosophy of drafting the best available position as opposed to only addressing the needs. So, overall, I give the draft a B. I'm excited to see what our receivers will do in the next few seasons, and I'm especially intrigued by Fred Davis. Could be a nice one-two punch between him and Chris Cooley.

As far as drafting for the secondary, you can never have enough depth in the secondary. The Colt Brennan pick also intrigued me. Definitely a project player. He'll be placed on injured reserve for this season, which will probably work out best for Colt. Could possibly be a very good back-up for us when Collins retires.

Besides the OL and DL, I see the Redskins getting very young very fast!
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Old 04-28-2008, 12:18 PM   #128
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F minus minus. I will elaborate on why grim4coach says vinnie and danny are retarded:

1) We took two identical WR's. Kelly is slow as molasses...4.78 40? DE's had better times.
2) We have a Pro Bowl TE. There's another roster spot that will go unused.
3) Rinehart & Tryon were both graded by most boards as seventh-round picks
4) We drafted a PUNTER??? Unbelievable. THERE IS NO WAY THIS GUY MAKES THE ROSTER. LET ME REPEAT: THERE IS NO WAY THIS GUY MAKES THE ROSTER.
5) Colt Brennan? Can't read a Defense and has a weak arm. Kinda reminds me of Danny Wureful. GREAT pick vinnie. WONT MAKE THE ROSTER. Oh yea...just had HIP SURGERY...prolly be on IR all year anyway.
6) The last two were at the end of round seven...they are practically FAs.

So one draft, ten picks...maybe one of these guys make the roster, Maybe.

F'n retarded.

your information for all 6 of these points is either wrong or skewed to prove your ill advised point

I dont have the time nor the effort to explain how each is faulty... I will just save your post and serve it to you in the future
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F minus minus. I will elaborate on why grim4coach says vinnie and danny are retarded:

1) We took two identical WR's. Kelly is slow as molasses...4.78 40? DE's had better times.
2) We have a Pro Bowl TE. There's another roster spot that will go unused.
3) Rinehart & Tryon were both graded by most boards as seventh-round picks
4) We drafted a PUNTER??? Unbelievable. THERE IS NO WAY THIS GUY MAKES THE ROSTER. LET ME REPEAT: THERE IS NO WAY THIS GUY MAKES THE ROSTER.
5) Colt Brennan? Can't read a Defense and has a weak arm. Kinda reminds me of Danny Wureful. GREAT pick vinnie. WONT MAKE THE ROSTER. Oh yea...just had HIP SURGERY...prolly be on IR all year anyway.
6) The last two were at the end of round seven...they are practically FAs.

So one draft, ten picks...maybe one of these guys make the roster, Maybe.

F'n retarded.
2 identical WRs? Thomas is definitely faster and probably has more moves after the catch, while Kelly is a little bigger and has very good hands. If you think they are identical you need to do some more homework.

Davis >> any other backup TE we've got currently, and with Zorn planning on running plenty of 2 TE sets it's definitely not a wasted pick.

Why is it so crazy to think that Frost might get beat out by a guy that was the nation's top punter last year?

Brennan himself said he's 6 weeks away from being 100%. He's definitely not going to be out all year.

One of the 10 picks will make the roster? C'mon bro you're the one looking like the retard here.
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Old 04-28-2008, 12:21 PM   #130
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1 of 10. Never a statement of less sense has ever been posted on this site. Just...wow.
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Old 04-28-2008, 12:45 PM   #131
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Until we see these guys on the field and see how well they pick up the offense and how their skills translate to the NFL I don't think we can really be certain about anything. Plus there are aspects that we can't measure that are x factors here. Mainly their work ethics both on the field and in the film room.

In another thread I think you equated Thomas to Eddie Kennison and Kelly to Keyshawn Johnson. Sounds to me like you've told us how good you think they can be.
I said, that's really the upside of both those players, based on what they have done in college, combine, etc.

Best case scenario, that's what these guys are. Thats what the Redskins are drafting for. Those X factors that we can't quantify may prevent them from reaching their potential, and of course, they both might be busts. Who knows?

I hope we get what we were drafting for, I'm just skeptical.
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Old 04-28-2008, 01:05 PM   #132
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Okay, I've had time to digest and excrete my thoughts on the draft: B-

I remember driving to a friends house when I heard Thomas' name being called. It didn't help that I had to hear it from Cowterd on ESPN radio. My emotional transition went from stunned-->anger-->resignation-->anger-->numbness in about 10 minutes. Follow that up with the (at the time) perplexing Fred Davis pick and then Kelly, whom I did not want, and I was in for a rough night of heavy, heavy drinking.

Looking at the picks and the value that they bring to our team, I think we did pretty good. I totally understand the need for two pass-catching TE's. If Moss or randle El go down then Cerrato will look like a genius by picking up two NFL-ready wideouts. I'm not excited about any of the late rounders except Durant Brooks. Tryon looks like a Smoot protege' which is okay, I guess. I don't trust anybody from small schools, so Reinhart will have to prove something to me.
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Kelly started three years, came out as a junior.

The guys who start four years at a top college program and get picked high are the ones who lead the league in receiving every year. Torry Holt. Dwyane Bowe. Hines Ward. Javon Walker. Etc...

Kelly's issue was more of his speed. He's a Keyshawn Johnson type, it doesn't take a genius to see that. I mean, Keyshawn Johnson was very, very good for a long time. That's the best case scenario for Malcolm Kelly, who was productive multiple years in college.
Not every NFL wr has to have 4.3 4.4 speed to be productive. Wouldn't you be happy if he becomes as good as Keyshawn? I would.
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Okay, I've had time to digest and excrete my thoughts on the draft: B-

I remember driving to a friends house when I heard Thomas' name being called. It didn't help that I had to hear it from Cowterd on ESPN radio. My emotional transition went from stunned-->anger-->resignation-->anger-->numbness in about 10 minutes. Follow that up with the (at the time) perplexing Fred Davis pick and then Kelly, whom I did not want, and I was in for a rough night of heavy, heavy drinking.

Looking at the picks and the value that they bring to our team, I think we did pretty good. I totally understand the need for two pass-catching TE's. If Moss or randle El go down then Cerrato will look like a genius by picking up two NFL-ready wideouts. I'm not excited about any of the late rounders except Durant Brooks. Tryon looks like a Smoot protege' which is okay, I guess. I don't trust anybody from small schools, so Reinhart will have to prove something to me.
LOL! You don't trust anyone from small schools?? If I went down the list of small school players that went on the become great NFL players we'd be here all day. But I'll give you one that's going into Canton this Aug. Darrell Green!
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F minus minus. I will elaborate on why grim4coach says vinnie and danny are retarded:

1) We took two identical WR's. Kelly is slow as molasses...4.78 40? DE's had better times.
2) We have a Pro Bowl TE. There's another roster spot that will go unused.
3) Rinehart & Tryon were both graded by most boards as seventh-round picks
4) We drafted a PUNTER??? Unbelievable. THERE IS NO WAY THIS GUY MAKES THE ROSTER. LET ME REPEAT: THERE IS NO WAY THIS GUY MAKES THE ROSTER.
5) Colt Brennan? Can't read a Defense and has a weak arm. Kinda reminds me of Danny Wureful. GREAT pick vinnie. WONT MAKE THE ROSTER. Oh yea...just had HIP SURGERY...prolly be on IR all year anyway.
6) The last two were at the end of round seven...they are practically FAs.

So one draft, ten picks...maybe one of these guys make the roster, Maybe.

F'n retarded.
Do you know anything about football? Kelly was slow on his 40 time with no pads on. Big deal. When his pads were on during the games he seemed to get open quite often against top college players. The combine and pro days don't mean a damn thing cause they're not in pads.

And Thomas is not identical to Kelly at all. They're two different types of WR's. Thomas is more of a game breaker and Kelly is a possesion guy. Get your facts straight.
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