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Old 05-02-2008, 02:00 PM   #31 (permalink)
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WR's with "seemingly speed issues" always find a way to succeed. Keyshawn Johnson was not very speedy, but he worked on his route running and his hands. Kelly already has good hands. With proper footwork / route running, he'll be successful. You don't have to pass every DB to be a successful WR.
Yeah, but the point was no one is going to confuse Keyshawn Johnson for Steve Smith/Terrell Owens/Randy Moss/Chad Johnson/Torry Holt.

That's the kind of player Malcolm Kelly can never be. A very good player is something he can be.
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Old 05-02-2008, 02:17 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Yeah, but the point was no one is going to confuse Keyshawn Johnson for Steve Smith/Terrell Owens/Randy Moss/Chad Johnson/Torry Holt.

That's the kind of player Malcolm Kelly can never be. A very good player is something he can be.
I'm not clear as to why you seem so sure about his potential.
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Old 05-02-2008, 02:48 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Let's not be too fast to judge this guys potential until 2 or 3 years down the road. I have a feeling he and Thomas will be used in certain situations throughout the season, but will not be every down WR's until next year if they are lucky. I love the pick, especially Kelly, but lets have some patience with him. In the words of the wise Greg Novis "Trust in Vinny!"
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Old 05-02-2008, 03:04 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Re: Picking Kelly over Sweed

I know some of the people on this board have mentioned it but Sweed has injury history of his own. I can't fault Kelly as a pick over Sweed. I get sick and tired of people making a big deal over timed speed. Releasing off the line is just as important as straigh ahead speed. If a receiver does not have good hand work and footwork off the line in the NFL they are not going to be able to showcase speed. Looking at Kelly's film he does play well off the line, he ran good routes and gained seperation at the college level. I know that was against some corners who were not NFL caliber, but Kelly was drawing most of the number one corners. Kelly has really strong hands and plays very well in the air. We have been lacking a receiver who is a good jump ball man for quite a long time. I'm not losing any sleep over picking Kelly over Sweed.
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Yeah, but the point was no one is going to confuse Keyshawn Johnson for Steve Smith/Terrell Owens/Randy Moss/Chad Johnson/Torry Holt.
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That's the kind of player Malcolm Kelly can never be. A very good player is something he can be.
Not that Kelly is the next Jerry Rice...but people pooed on Rice's potential too...the sky is the limit with these kids. He will be as good as he wants to be. No one knows at this point.
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Old 05-02-2008, 03:48 PM   #36 (permalink)
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instead of joining the argument, let me pass out some kool aid. because im happy with the picks we made. i really wanted line help, but these are the guys we have. and this makes me smile, because i believe our offense will look totally different this year. in a good way
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Old 05-02-2008, 08:44 PM   #37 (permalink)
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I'm not clear as to why you seem so sure about his potential.
Well, I don't know why we are supposed to assume he might be able to accomplish physical feats that people with similar measurables to him simply have never, ever been able to accomplish.

He looks for the world to see like a pretty good receiver prospect. Let's be honest here, I don't know what's so groundbreaking about pointing out that he's totally dissimmilar to the elite receivers in the game. I'm not even using any cool numbers or anything to arrive at that conclusion. I'm just pointing out the obvious.

People are optimistic about the draft class, as rightly they should be this time of the year. I'm just lurking to point out realistic concepts that are being overlooked.

Keyshawn Johnson, to me, epitomizes a receiver who did every thing right fundamentally, but never really was an elite player at his position, because that wasn't his game. Maybe there's a player that better epitomizes his upside, who I'm not thinking of, but I'm alright with what I'm saying nevertheless.

Now, something I haven't said about Kelly yet is there is a certain degree of uncertainty around scouting him that worries me a tad. That "has been charted with one dropped pass" doesn't mean a lot because he skipped his Senior season. If he stayed, he might have dropped 7-8 passes and been a fifth round draft pick. Who knows? That's the uncertainty effect working here.

I am optimistic about his progression however, and based on what the teams knew, it looks like a lot of other teams passed on him for piss poor reasons. And for that we should be fortunate.

Although the fact that Kelly was still around at No. 51 (as well as Sweed, Manningham, etc.) really makes the "value" that was Devin Thomas look more like a reach. Just sayin.
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I'm not saying we're supposed to assume anything... but that's my point.

Let's see how it plays out, that's all I'm sayin.
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Didn't this guy run the same speed 40 as Jerry Rice? I'm not saying he's going to be Jerry Rice -- what I am saying is straight line speed may not be the best NFL indicator.
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How many times does anyone just run 40 yards in the NFL without changing direction at all?
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Old 05-03-2008, 11:42 AM   #41 (permalink)
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How many times does anyone just run 40 yards in the NFL without changing direction at all?
every time you run a fade
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every time you run a fade
Or just a go route.
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so only 2 routes that Moss or Randle El or Devin Thomas can run. You dont have to be a bunner to be a good reciever. Remember game speed and timed speed 2 different things.
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every time you run a fade
so the fade route that won the super bowl was 40 yards cause I could have sworn it was like 14
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Didn't this guy run the same speed 40 as Jerry Rice? I'm not saying he's going to be Jerry Rice -- what I am saying is straight line speed may not be the best NFL indicator.

Too much is made of 40 times, with Kelly, his ability to explode off the the line, get position on DB's, and use his frame to shield defenders will be more important in this offense than straight line speed. His ability to go in the middle (where we hardly threw the ball at all last year) and make the tough catch to move the chains is just as valuable an asset as speed. I consider him a perfect comlement to Moss, and Randle El.

As far a comparing him to Limas Sweed, only time will tell on that one. It's difficult to try to make a production comparison at this time because there's nothing to compare them too. We need to see them both play at the NFL level in order to make any determination.
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