Brian Cushing

GMScud · 01-22-2009, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

I have to wonder what Los did to anger Blache/Grey/FO. He had his best year after a devastating injury and long rehab and if SanFran was any indication he really can catch the ball. He's also our youngest talent at corner.

... I'm pretty much lost on this one...

Apparently Los and Blache have always butted heads.

Redskin Jim · 01-22-2009, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

Apparently Los and Blache have always butted heads.

It would break up the most solid group (secondary) if we were to get rid of Rodgers.

Dirtbag59 · 01-22-2009, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Redskin Jim

It would break up the most solid group (secondary) if we were to get rid of Rodgers.

I'm not necesarrily opposed to trading Rogers. I'm personally more worried about giving the front office another draft pick to screw up at the cost of one of our top 5 players.

GTripp0012 · 01-22-2009, 01:35 AM

I don't understand most of what Greg Blache does, and I spent a considerable amount of time trying to figure him out.

Too often, he does really, really stupid things. I don't think Greg Blache is a stupid man, he seems like a very clever, well-spoken man. I think he just has motives that aren't necessarily "winning games for the Washington Redskins." Or at least, that's my best guess. So I see him make a call, and I say "wow, that's a really stupid call," but my perspective is trying to have the defense succeed, maybe Blache wants to take pressure off of the defensive lineman, make their jobs easier. In which case, it's a pretty good call.

Except the end result is a 40 yard pass for Eli Manning or maybe Joe Flacco. But at least the DL didn't screw up.

Redskin Jim · 01-22-2009, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I'm not necesarrily opposed to trading Rogers. I'm personally more worried about giving the front office another draft pick to screw up at the cost of one of our top 5 players.

Oooh.. I didn't look at it that way. I'm with you on that, Danny and Vinny will find a way to trade away first round talent for a player that probably won't be in the league in 4 years.... Here's to optimisim...

Redskin Jim · 01-22-2009, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I don't understand most of what Greg Blache does, and I spent a considerable amount of time trying to figure him out.

Too often, he does really, really stupid things. I don't think Greg Blache is a stupid man, he seems like a very clever, well-spoken man. I think he just has motives that aren't necessarily "winning games for the Washington Redskins." Or at least, that's my best guess. So I see him make a call, and I say "wow, that's a really stupid call," but my perspective is trying to have the defense succeed, maybe Blache wants to take pressure off of the defensive lineman, make their jobs easier. In which case, it's a pretty good call.

Except the end result is a 40 yard pass for Eli Manning or maybe Joe Flacco. But at least the DL didn't screw up.

Well, One only has 10 fingers. He spends all game shoring up the holes in the line with the stregnth of his defense (secondary). Opposing teams have plays expecting these senerios, I.e. ravens or cowpokes controlling clock late, or pittsburg trying to get the offense some momentum going. Either way you are correct, the ravens n pokes exposed the o-lines weakness to stop any sort of push and rammed it down our throughts, the steelers hadn't established much running or passing game against us in the first half of the monday night game untill they figured out that we were cheeting up our secondary to shore up our senior citizens on our d-line. They caught us with a big play or 2 and then just went back to their game plan.

JGisLordOfTheRings · 01-22-2009, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

In an attempt to help get the Peppers thread back on track I've decided to start a thread for Brian Cushing as it looks like, according to our very own Smootsmack, that the guy will be a player of interest from Vinny and Friends this offseason.

Highlights

Stats: Funny thing is upon looking at this I was like "Whoa, 177 tackles? Leet!" So keep in mind that 177 is his career total not his total for 2008.
Brian Cushing Stats, News, Photos - USC Trojans - NCAA College Football - ESPN

Overall Evaluation from Scouts Inc:
Scouts Grade: 92
Overall Ranking: 20
Position Ranking: 2

Production: 3
Height-Weight Speed: 1
Durability: 4

Instincts-Recognition: 1
Pursuit, Point of Attack: 2
Tackling: 2
Pass Rusher: 2
Pass Coverage: 2

Trait Scale
1 = Exceptional, 2 = Above Average, 3 = Average, 4 = Below Average, 5 = Marginal

off topic....but you're sig owns.

that is all.

SOUL-SKINS · 01-22-2009, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I don't understand most of what Greg Blache does, and I spent a considerable amount of time trying to figure him out.

Too often, he does really, really stupid things. I don't think Greg Blache is a stupid man, he seems like a very clever, well-spoken man. I think he just has motives that aren't necessarily "winning games for the Washington Redskins." Or at least, that's my best guess. So I see him make a call, and I say "wow, that's a really stupid call," but my perspective is trying to have the defense succeed, maybe Blache wants to take pressure off of the defensive lineman, make their jobs easier. In which case, it's a pretty good call.

Except the end result is a 40 yard pass for Eli Manning or maybe Joe Flacco. But at least the DL didn't screw up.

What?

SC Skins Fan · 01-22-2009, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

Apparently Los and Blache have always butted heads.

I'm no fan of trading Rogers. But let's say that it is more than just the due diligence by the FO or incessant FO bashing by JLC. Maybe it makes some sense if Rogers really is expecting huge money in free agency (of course, it takes two to tango and I wonder how many teams would be willing to give him big $$$). Anyway, if Rogers were to go, how about the following trade scenario?

Redskins: Rd. 1, Pick 13; Carlos Rogers

Detroit: Rd. 1, Pick 20; Rd. 2, Pick 33; Rd. 3, Pick 65

By the draft value chart that works out to trading Rogers for a 2nd rounder in the bottom third of that round (fair value it seems to me, though not enough value but I guess that is beside the point). I could see Detroit possibly willing to move up in Round 1 if they take a QB at #1 and then want to move up to get the last of the D-Linemen they covet or LB help (MAUALUGA, LAURINAITIS). You know their corners are suspect and Bodden is due a big roster bonus. That would seem a decent trade (until Springs misses half the season and we end up with Hall and Smoot starting with Tryon at the Nickel).

SmootSmack · 01-22-2009, 10:59 AM

Rogers is mostly on the block, not because of any personal strife really, but because he's one of our more valuable chips right now. So if you're going to test the trade market then you have to at least make worth the other team's time

As for Kiper's pick, it's not a terrible choice I suppose. He's a solid pass rusher and steady against the run. I'm of the belief that yes we need a pass rusher but not at the expense of a solid run stopper. We like to knock on guys like Daniels and Wynn because they were run-stopping defensive ends, which is almost a euphemsym for "can't rush the passer", but I think we need guys like that. I like someone like Tyson Jackson for example, not at the #13 spot.

celts32 · 01-22-2009, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Rogers is mostly on the block, not because of any personal strife really, but because he's one of our more valuable chips right now. So if you're going to test the trade market then you have to at least make worth the other team's time

As for Kiper's pick, it's not a terrible choice I suppose. He's a solid pass rusher and steady against the run. I'm of the belief that yes we need a pass rusher but not at the expense of a solid run stopper. We like to knock on guys like Daniels and Wynn because they were run-stopping defensive ends, which is almost a euphemsym for "can't rush the passer", but I think we need guys like that. I like someone like Tyson Jackson for example, not at the #13 spot.

I know Rogers is a nice trade chip but that's exactly why we shouldn't trade him. Basically we traded our #2 pick for a washed up thirtysomething DE...and now to remedy it we are going to trade away our top CB in his prime to get that draft pick back? That is the assinine of all assinine moves!

I know your not endorcing this move...so i am not ranting at you...I am just ranting in general! What an awful line of thinking...

SmootSmack · 01-22-2009, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by celts32

I know Rogers is a nice trade chip but that's exactly why we shouldn't trade him. Basically we traded our #2 pick for a washed up thirtysomething DE...and now to remedy it we are going to trade away our top CB in his prime to get that draft pick back? That is the assinine of all assinine moves!

I know your not endorcing this move...so i am not ranting at you...I am just ranting in general! What an awful line of thinking...

Well I don't agree that Jason Taylor was a washed up but I see your point. If I were a betting man, I'd say Rogers ends up not getting traded unless they get more than a 2nd round pick.

celts32 · 01-22-2009, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

I'm no fan of trading Rogers. But let's say that it is more than just the due diligence by the FO or incessant FO bashing by JLC. Maybe it makes some sense if Rogers really is expecting huge money in free agency (of course, it takes two to tango and I wonder how many teams would be willing to give him big $$$). Anyway, if Rogers were to go, how about the following trade scenario?

Redskins: Rd. 1, Pick 13; Carlos Rogers

Detroit: Rd. 1, Pick 20; Rd. 2, Pick 33; Rd. 3, Pick 65

By the draft value chart that works out to trading Rogers for a 2nd rounder in the bottom third of that round (fair value it seems to me, though not enough value but I guess that is beside the point). I could see Detroit possibly willing to move up in Round 1 if they take a QB at #1 and then want to move up to get the last of the D-Linemen they covet or LB help (MAUALUGA, LAURINAITIS). You know their corners are suspect and Bodden is due a big roster bonus. That would seem a decent trade (until Springs misses half the season and we end up with Hall and Smoot starting with Tryon at the Nickel).

That is no where near enough value. Everyone involved with the Redskins whether it be the FO or the fans seems to totally undervalue Rogers and it's probably becasue he can't catch. However, his primary job is not catching the football it's defending WR's and he's pretty damn good at it. We spent a top 10 pick on him and he's far from a bust so why should we trade him for a low #2? We should be resigning him or at least keeping him for this year and then trying to tag and trade him then if a long term deal can not be reached.

celts32 · 01-22-2009, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well I don't agree that Jason Taylor was a washed up but I see your point. If I were a betting man, I'd say Rogers ends up not getting traded unless they get more than a 2nd round pick.

Washed up may have been a bad choice of words but he's an older player. Anyway, I can live with it if they get a #1 for him although I still don't think I would do it.

The Goat · 01-22-2009, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well I don't agree that Jason Taylor was a washed up but I see your point. If I were a betting man, I'd say Rogers ends up not getting traded unless they get more than a 2nd round pick.

Being that your "guesses" always seem pretty well educated SS... that is the best news of the day as far as i'm concerned.

01-22-2009, 01:35 AM	#64
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 29 Posts: 15,994	Re: Brian Cushing I don't understand most of what Greg Blache does, and I spent a considerable amount of time trying to figure him out. Too often, he does really, really stupid things. I don't think Greg Blache is a stupid man, he seems like a very clever, well-spoken man. I think he just has motives that aren't necessarily "winning games for the Washington Redskins." Or at least, that's my best guess. So I see him make a call, and I say "wow, that's a really stupid call," but my perspective is trying to have the defense succeed, maybe Blache wants to take pressure off of the defensive lineman, make their jobs easier. In which case, it's a pretty good call. Except the end result is a 40 yard pass for Eli Manning or maybe Joe Flacco. But at least the DL didn't screw up. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

01-22-2009, 10:59 AM	#70
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Brian Cushing Rogers is mostly on the block, not because of any personal strife really, but because he's one of our more valuable chips right now. So if you're going to test the trade market then you have to at least make worth the other team's time As for Kiper's pick, it's not a terrible choice I suppose. He's a solid pass rusher and steady against the run. I'm of the belief that yes we need a pass rusher but not at the expense of a solid run stopper. We like to knock on guys like Daniels and Wynn because they were run-stopping defensive ends, which is almost a euphemsym for "can't rush the passer", but I think we need guys like that. I like someone like Tyson Jackson for example, not at the #13 spot. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

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