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Old 01-22-2009, 11:40 AM   #76
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Well I don't agree that Jason Taylor was a washed up but I see your point. If I were a betting man, I'd say Rogers ends up not getting traded unless they get more than a 2nd round pick.
Being that your "guesses" always seem pretty well educated SS... that is the best news of the day as far as i'm concerned.
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Old 01-22-2009, 11:50 AM   #77
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Just know that when I say more than a 2nd round pick that I don't necessarily mean higher than a 2nd round pick.

But truthfully I've heard very little about Rogers the past couple of days. Hoping to get some info later today actually
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Old 01-22-2009, 12:45 PM   #78
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Raji may not even make it past the Bengals at #6

Lot of speculation at this point, but from all I've heard if the draft were today I could see something like

1. Lions-Andre Smith
2. Rams-Eugene Monroe
3. Chiefs-Aaron Curry
4. Seahawks-Michael Crabtree
5. Browns-Malcolm Jenkins
6. Bengals-BJ Raji
7. Raiders-Percy Harvin
8. Jaguars-Jeremy Maclin
9. Packers-Jason Smith
10. 49ers-Mark Sanchez
11. Bills-Brian Orakpo
12. Broncos-Everette Brown

Wich drops Oher into our lap, or the intriguing possibility of Stafford who we definitely don't want (I don't think) but could possibly leverage. The wildcard is that 6-8 spot, because all of those teams could be eyeing a OL there.
2 OT will go in the 6-8 spots, packers go CB, and 49ers go D..i think BJ Raji will be there at 10 and i think the broncos go Maulagula if he's havin' a monster week like everyone is saying
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Old 01-22-2009, 12:49 PM   #79
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2 OT will go in the 6-8 spots, packers go CB, and 49ers go D..i think BJ Raji will be there at 10 and i think the broncos go Maulagula if he's havin' a monster week like everyone is saying
I haven't been hearing that Rey (I've given up trying to spell his last name) is having a monster week

I don't think the Niners go D.
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Old 01-22-2009, 02:41 PM   #80
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That is no where near enough value. Everyone involved with the Redskins whether it be the FO or the fans seems to totally undervalue Rogers and it's probably becasue he can't catch. However, his primary job is not catching the football it's defending WR's and he's pretty damn good at it. We spent a top 10 pick on him and he's far from a bust so why should we trade him for a low #2? We should be resigning him or at least keeping him for this year and then trying to tag and trade him then if a long term deal can not be reached.
As I said, I am not an advocate of trading Rogers, but if he gets traded I was looking for potential landing spots. Why trade him for a low #2? Because if the Skins are intent on dealing him they aren't likely to get anything more. Look at recent trades in the NFL. The Eagles couldn't get more than a #2 for Lito Sheppard. DeAngelo Hall went for a 2nd in 2008 and 5th in 2009. Jeremy Shockey went for a future 2nd and future 5th. Jason Taylor a future 2nd. But you expect a team to give up a mid-1st for Rogers? Not very likely.
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Old 01-22-2009, 03:12 PM   #81
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As I said, I am not an advocate of trading Rogers, but if he gets traded I was looking for potential landing spots. Why trade him for a low #2? Because if the Skins are intent on dealing him they aren't likely to get anything more. Look at recent trades in the NFL. The Eagles couldn't get more than a #2 for Lito Sheppard. DeAngelo Hall went for a 2nd in 2008 and 5th in 2009. Jeremy Shockey went for a future 2nd and future 5th. Jason Taylor a future 2nd. But you expect a team to give up a mid-1st for Rogers? Not very likely.
I totally agree with you that they would not get more then a #2...very few NFL players can command a #1 pick in trade. My point is that I think he is worth more then a #2 to the Redskins so it makes no sense at all to trade him. However, I do fear that the Redskins front office is incompitent enough to go ahead and trade him.
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Old 01-22-2009, 03:14 PM   #82
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I get the sense that we could trade Rogers to the Broncos for Ryan Clady and three 1st round picks...and we'll still find a way to bash the front office for being incompetent
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I get the sense that we could trade Rogers to the Broncos for Ryan Clady and three 1st round picks...and we'll still find a way to bash the front office for being incompetent
lol...you may be right! Well I think we spent the 9th pick on him and IMO he has played well enough to still hold at least mid 1st round value. So if they are going to trade him I would want his real value not some reduced we need to recoup lost draft pick value. That's all. I don't think we can get that value but that's what i would want to move him. And our front office has not exactly earned the benefit of the doubt in the past 10 years.
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I get the sense that we could trade Rogers to the Broncos for Ryan Clady and three 1st round picks...and we'll still find a way to bash the front office for being incompetent
dude I'd nut myself if we traded Rogers for Clady straight up. we'll just draft another CB. lol
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Old 01-22-2009, 06:09 PM   #85
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I get the sense that we could trade Rogers to the Broncos for Ryan Clady and three 1st round picks...and we'll still find a way to bash the front office for being incompetent
Why not four first round picks?
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Old 01-23-2009, 02:43 AM   #86
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Why not four first round picks?
Because Bruce Allen isn't here to save us!!!!
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Old 01-23-2009, 02:53 AM   #87
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I'm no fan of trading Rogers. But let's say that it is more than just the due diligence by the FO or incessant FO bashing by JLC. Maybe it makes some sense if Rogers really is expecting huge money in free agency (of course, it takes two to tango and I wonder how many teams would be willing to give him big $$$). Anyway, if Rogers were to go, how about the following trade scenario?

Redskins: Rd. 1, Pick 13; Carlos Rogers

Detroit: Rd. 1, Pick 20; Rd. 2, Pick 33; Rd. 3, Pick 65

By the draft value chart that works out to trading Rogers for a 2nd rounder in the bottom third of that round (fair value it seems to me, though not enough value but I guess that is beside the point). I could see Detroit possibly willing to move up in Round 1 if they take a QB at #1 and then want to move up to get the last of the D-Linemen they covet or LB help (MAUALUGA, LAURINAITIS). You know their corners are suspect and Bodden is due a big roster bonus. That would seem a decent trade (until Springs misses half the season and we end up with Hall and Smoot starting with Tryon at the Nickel).
You might not be too far off. Bodden is pretty much gone. But besides that, I think the Lions are almost becoming a lock to draft Andre Smith first (or some OT) and I know they want a QB as well. They may find themselves wanting (needing) to move up in the draft to get their guy.

Suppose they don't take a QB first overall, between them and us at 13 you're really looking at just the Chiefs and Niners as likely teams wanting a QB. So let's say the Chiefs took one of the top two QBs then you could see the Lions trading up before the Niners. But if the Chiefs don't take a QB, even if the Niners do, you have us in a good spot to trade with the Lions and allow them to catapult the Jets, Bears, and Bucs (17-19) all teams that may want/need a QB
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I'm no fan of trading Rogers. But let's say that it is more than just the due diligence by the FO or incessant FO bashing by JLC. Maybe it makes some sense if Rogers really is expecting huge money in free agency (of course, it takes two to tango and I wonder how many teams would be willing to give him big $$$). Anyway, if Rogers were to go, how about the following trade scenario?

Redskins: Rd. 1, Pick 13; Carlos Rogers

Detroit: Rd. 1, Pick 20; Rd. 2, Pick 33; Rd. 3, Pick 65


By the draft value chart that works out to trading Rogers for a 2nd rounder in the bottom third of that round (fair value it seems to me, though not enough value but I guess that is beside the point). I could see Detroit possibly willing to move up in Round 1 if they take a QB at #1 and then want to move up to get the last of the D-Linemen they covet or LB help (MAUALUGA, LAURINAITIS). You know their corners are suspect and Bodden is due a big roster bonus. That would seem a decent trade (until Springs misses half the season and we end up with Hall and Smoot starting with Tryon at the Nickel).
It's like a mini version of the Herschel Walker trade!
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Old 01-23-2009, 03:59 PM   #89
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Word is Alex Mack is moving up toward the top of the Redskins draft board, for what it's worth. Remember it's still early
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Word is Alex Mack is moving up toward the top of the Redskins draft board, for what it's worth. Remember it's still early
I would hope if we take him it would be in a trade-down situation. I'd love to have him, but I haven't seen any mock drafts with him going in the 1st round, let alone as high as 13.
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