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Old 03-12-2009, 09:38 PM   #106
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Redskins holding private workout for Clay Mathews. I hope this does not mean we are going to pick him 13th. Hopefully, they hope to trade down and get him there.
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Old 03-12-2009, 09:49 PM   #107
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1st-By some stroke of luck: Aaron Curry (LB)/BJ Raji (DT)/ DE Brian Orakpo
more realistic Rey Maulauaga (LB)/James
Laurinitis

RB Knowshon Moreno / C Alex Mack

3rd C Antoine Caldwell/C Eric Wood
OLB Marcus Freeman/OLB Clay Matthews
RB Rashad Jennings/ RB Javon Ringer
DE Phillip Hunt
BPA Offensive Line
5th (BPA) -OLB Kaluka Maiava/ OT Robert Brewster /C Dallas Reynolds (328lbs)
6th (BPA)-CB Wopamo Osaisai/ CB/KR Brice McCain /FB(Pass)Mark Hafner
haha, dude wishful thinking. There is no way on this earth that curry is going to fall to 13. He is the lowest risk, most value pick in this draft and whoever gets him just solved their problems at linebacker. Brian Orakpo is also not goint to be there because he is just a workout warrior, a vernon davis type of player, who just looks incredible during individual workouts and is going to get picked up quickly.
Honestly, the best offensive lineman period thats available (hopefully tackle) would be the best decision.
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Old 03-12-2009, 09:54 PM   #108
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To me Portis got a lot of mileage on him, and he been in a lot of head on collisions. Even though he's tough as nails, we need a brand new muscle car! We need to draft a outstanding playmaker to compliment him in the back field. Betts is not that dude! If Portis aint playing we are getting it handed to us all last season. We need a mustang back there with our thoroughbred. Betts and Rock aint getting it done. There are 3 excellent playmaking backs in this draft we need one of them. The OL and DL can wait to the later rounds. I watch more college football than I do pro(except for the redskins). Those OL and DL in this draft are not that impressive. Majority take a lot of plays off and are overweight and lazy. Not your prototype Joe Gibbs, tough redskins players.

My point being we need to score more point with playmakers on offense, we need speed and durability i.e. percy harvin, Beanie Wells, Moreno. They are young monsters, playmakers, with speed. To me Harvin or Moreno would be the best fit because they are just like portis. We would not lose a step with them learning from and backing up portis in our style of play. Then portis could be the finisher in the redzone. Its all about scoring points in the NFL and running the ball. No 1st round OL or DL gonna do that! I rest my case for now. Hail to the Redskins!!!
It won't matter if there is no one to block for you. Clinton Portis is 27, always arrives in shape and has missed 9 games in 5 seasons with the Redskins (didn't miss a single game the last two seasons). The offensive line, on the other hand is a whole other story. It is one of the oldest units in the league and is losing its ability to be competitive fast. So thanks but no thanks, I would rather the Skins take a chance with an Andre Smith than risk Moreno/Harvin/Wells.
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Old 03-12-2009, 09:59 PM   #109
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Jason Brown is the only free agent i would go after.
I don't see how a Tackle will help when the interior line was the bigger issue.
I want the Redskins to get out building through the free agency.
I thought that Vinnie was going to build through the draft and do it right this time.
You know, stay away from making several big money salary cap unfriendly free agent moves.

Its a viscous circle.

Synder has been impatient with HCs.
Before Gibbs, Synder didn't allow any HC to establish or create a Redskins identity a 'system' if you will.
Synder meddles in the player personnell dept. making it hard for the coach to get the players he wants.
Skins fall for the quick fix through free agency and get hamstrung with horrible contracts and players that don't fit the system/scheme.

The coach gets fired, the whole thing starts over.
If we would just stick with a coach and stick with a system we would have more success.

Now we have a budding system in place and coaches gaining knowledge and continuity within that system. Maybe its time to let the coaches develop players instead of chasing players that were developed by other teams for different systems?

Living off of free agency imo is tacitly admitting that we can't develop procure and develop talent.
I thought that this was over, i hope Vinnie/Synder can control themselves during this upcoming free agnecy.

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i'm hoping its much ado about nothing



1st Round- Orakpo trade down Cushing/Mauluaga/Barwin
3rd Round- Mack/Luigis BA Center (that can play guard until..)
5th Round- Jasper Brinkley LB
6th Round- Moises Fouku OLB
Tackle is definitely the top priority. Gibbs tried running Portis up the middle, and it was marginally successful. But then Zorn comes and in his first season Portis had his best YPC as a Redskin because he is a lateral runner/slasher. Compounded with the fact that Chris Samuels is 31 and has clearly lost a step, Jon Jansen is 33 and lost his job to someone who would start on less than 5 other teams in the league (Stephon Heyer), OT is definitely a higher need than guard.
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Tackle is definitely the top priority. Gibbs tried running Portis up the middle, and it was marginally successful. But then Zorn comes and in his first season Portis had his best YPC as a Redskin because he is a lateral runner/slasher. Compounded with the fact that Chris Samuels is 31 and has clearly lost a step, Jon Jansen is 33 and lost his job to someone who would start on less than 5 other teams in the league (Stephon Heyer), OT is definitely a higher need than guard.
I think Andre Smith would definitely open up space for Portis at right tackle. Orakpo (the big winner of the combine hype) is good, but he's not a game-breaker. And more of a DE rather than a LB. The redskins can make better use of the 13th pick with a player that can make a bigger impact.

I watched some tape on Monroe and he is definitely worth a top 5 pick with his pass protection skills. I haven't seen much of Jason Smith to make a good judgment yet. C Mack is solid, but not 1st round talent with the videos that I've seen.

DT Raji is a beast and is definitely the top player in the draft.


Watched Rey Maualuga and Brian Cushing - and it looks like Maualuga has better instincts and football IQ. I don't know if Cushing belongs in the 1st or 2nd round yet. LB James Laurinaitis definitely is overrated by some experts and is not 1st round talent, let alone high 1st round IMO- I think he stays stationary too long when anticipating the rb instead of moving forward towards the rb to tackle. LB Aaron Curry is good but shouldn't be as high as some have him in the 1st round.

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Old 03-13-2009, 02:34 AM   #111
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cushing is definitely not the safest bet... he's the good workout low college production guy with an injury risk.
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Old 03-13-2009, 04:02 AM   #112
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1 Rey Maualuga
3 Mitch King DE/DT Iowa (fits our scheme as a LDE)
5 OL
6 OL

Maybe King is a guy that can fall to the 5th round in which case I would take an OL. A lotta people won't like that we keep addressing the defense, but I feel King and Maualuga are good football players that will be around a long time. Also 3 of the 4 conference championship teams were top 5 defenses. Defense wins championships. Please no Cardinals or Colts references, Manning and Warner/Fitz/Boldin are rare and their D was solid in their runs, especially Indy.
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Old 03-13-2009, 08:04 AM   #113
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I think Andre Smith would definitely open up space for Portis at right tackle. Orakpo (the big winner of the combine hype) is good, but he's not a game-breaker. And more of a DE rather than a LB. The redskins can make better use of the 13th pick with a player that can make a bigger impact.

I watched some tape on Monroe and he is definitely worth a top 5 pick with his pass protection skills. I haven't seen much of Jason Smith to make a good judgment yet. C Mack is solid, but not 1st round talent with the videos that I've seen.

DT Raji is a beast and is definitely the top player in the draft.


Watched Rey Maualuga and Brian Cushing - and it looks like Maualuga has better instincts and football IQ. I don't know if Cushing belongs in the 1st or 2nd round yet. LB James Laurinaitis definitely is overrated by some experts and is not 1st round talent, let alone high 1st round IMO- I think he stays stationary too long when anticipating the rb instead of moving forward towards the rb to tackle. LB Aaron Curry is good but shouldn't be as high as some have him in the 1st round.
What about Clay Matthews?
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Old 03-13-2009, 09:46 AM   #114
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I am not sure if others have seen this YouTube site, but it has extended TV highlights of most of the top prospects in this year's draft. So you can actually watch the guys play rather than relying on talking heads to tell you what to think.

YouTube - DraftParty's Channel

I don't know if that was the only good 10 minutes of film on Michael Johnson, but I really like the way that guy looks. He has athleticism, quickness, and size. I know Kiper is saying he might fall to the second but he looks better than that to me. I'd like to watch the whole Virginia tape and see him go against Eugene Monroe for a whole game. I also really like Everette Brown, but I think Johnson has the better body type to do the things that Blache asks his ends to do in the run game. If they decide to go DE I wouldn't mind taking Johnson from the little that I have now seen of him, even at #13 and even though it would make Kiper's head explode (or maybe especially because it would make his head explode).



At tackle, if it comes down to Andre Smith or Michael Oher, I like Oher (as I said in another thread).

At LB, if it comes down to Cushing or Maualuga, I'll take Maualuga (and I was hoping to like Cushing better since he would fill an immediate need at SLB). Maualuga seems to play at a high intensity and attacks the football. He kind of looks like London Fletcher. I guess you would worry about how he would match up with more athletic NFL tight ends if he had to play the SAM for a few years until Fletcher retires/leaves but we have had the liability for some time now. He would certainly provide a strong run defender and just looks like a better football player than Cushing. I'd actually be pretty upset if the Skins went with Cushing because there are a number of guys who look better even if SLB is a hole that needs filling.


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And if the Skins could drop down to the early to mid-20's, pick up a 2nd round pick, and nab Michael Johnson and, say, Jamon Meredith I would be loving it.

Potential trade partners by the draft value chart numbers (the likelihood of some of these seems remote).
  • Philadelphia (picks 21 and 53 - 1170; pick 13 - 1150)
  • Minnesota (picks 22 and 54 - 1140; pick 13 - 1150)
  • New England (picks 23 and 47 - 1190; pick 13 and 5th - approx. 1185.5) or (picks 23, 58, and 4th - approx. 1134; pick 13 - 1150)
  • Atlanta (picks 24, 55, and 4th - approx. 1142; pick 13 - 1150)
  • Miami (picks 26 and 44 - 1160; pick 13 - 1150 ... plus kick to Cerrato's groin for having to drop 13 spots to get back pick 44)
Obviously other scenarios could exist, but those are the most obvious. To my eye Minnesota looks like the ideal partner if there is someone at 13 that they covet. I wonder about the ability to deal with Philadelphia, New England, or Miami since they all likely value their 2nd's too highly to do any of those trades. At least we have a history with Atlanta from last year so maybe doing another draft day deal would be easier.

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What about Clay Matthews?
The only film I could find on YouTube was a video that some guy had taken from his TV of about three plays that Matthews made this year. From those three plays he looked better than Cushing but, you know, rather limited sample size. I think I'd probably take Rey ahead of him.
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we need an OLB or and DE come on guys can,t you see this. we have really nobody at those spots....
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we need an OLB or and DE come on guys can,t you see this. we have really nobody at those spots....
Can't you see that many people have discussed players at those positions? Read the thread.
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And if the Skins could drop down to the early to mid-20's, pick up a 2nd round pick, and nab Michael Johnson and, say, Jamon Meredith I would be loving it.

Potential trade partners by the draft value chart numbers (the likelihood of some of these seems remote).
  • Philadelphia (picks 21 and 53 - 1170; pick 13 - 1150)
  • Minnesota (picks 22 and 54 - 1140; pick 13 - 1150)
  • New England (picks 23 and 47 - 1190; pick 13 and 5th - approx. 1185.5) or (picks 23, 58, and 4th - approx. 1134; pick 13 - 1150)
  • Atlanta (picks 24, 55, and 4th - approx. 1142; pick 13 - 1150)
  • Miami (picks 26 and 44 - 1160; pick 13 - 1150 ... plus kick to Cerrato's groin for having to drop 13 spots to get back pick 44)
Obviously other scenarios could exist, but those are the most obvious. To my eye Minnesota looks like the ideal partner if there is someone at 13 that they covet. I wonder about the ability to deal with Philadelphia, New England, or Miami since they all likely value their 2nd's too highly to do any of those trades. At least we have a history with Atlanta from last year so maybe doing another draft day deal would be easier.

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great post & I agree, the vikes seem like the most likely. If they think they're 1 player away, they would trade up. They might be interested in a wr or qb, though those positions are not rookie high impacts.

I doubt though that they would really give us 22 & 54. I think 22 & a 3rd is more likely and to me that's still worth it.
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I am not sure if others have seen this YouTube site, but it has extended TV highlights of most of the top prospects in this year's draft. So you can actually watch the guys play rather than relying on talking heads to tell you what to think.

YouTube - DraftParty's Channel

I don't know if that was the only good 10 minutes of film on Michael Johnson, but I really like the way that guy looks. He has athleticism, quickness, and size. I know Kiper is saying he might fall to the second but he looks better than that to me. I'd like to watch the whole Virginia tape and see him go against Eugene Monroe for a whole game. I also really like Everette Brown, but I think Johnson has the better body type to do the things that Blache asks his ends to do in the run game. If they decide to go DE I wouldn't mind taking Johnson from the little that I have now seen of him, even at #13 and even though it would make Kiper's head explode (or maybe especially because it would make his head explode).



At tackle, if it comes down to Andre Smith or Michael Oher, I like Oher (as I said in another thread).

At LB, if it comes down to Cushing or Maualuga, I'll take Maualuga (and I was hoping to like Cushing better since he would fill an immediate need at SLB). Maualuga seems to play at a high intensity and attacks the football. He kind of looks like London Fletcher. I guess you would worry about how he would match up with more athletic NFL tight ends if he had to play the SAM for a few years until Fletcher retires/leaves but we have had the liability for some time now. He would certainly provide a strong run defender and just looks like a better football player than Cushing. I'd actually be pretty upset if the Skins went with Cushing because there are a number of guys who look better even if SLB is a hole that needs filling.


I think E.Brown is the real deal, smart guy & great athlete. I can't say the same about Johnson's smarts (don't know), but he's got the athletic upside. There's no way at this point that Johnson is off the board before Brown. There is a lot of negative scouting on MJ. If he's there in the 2nd & we have a pick it might be worth the risk. If he falls all the way to the 3rd, which I believe could happen, I think we'd have to take him.
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