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Old 03-13-2009, 02:53 PM   #121
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Re: If Nothing Changes Come Draft Day, Who Would You Draft

In his latest mock Pat Kirwan has the Skins taking Aaron Maybin to play the SAM. That is kind of an interesting name. I can't find any good game highlights on him, but watching his combine performance he looks like a fluid athlete. He played DE in college and has pass rush skills so he could help get after the QB either from the SAM or even by putting his hand on the ground as a situational pass rusher. If they did decide to go defense that could be someone to watch. I really am down on Cushing and think Brown and Orakpo will probably be gone. It is also possible that the top four tackles all go in the top 10.
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Old 03-13-2009, 02:57 PM   #122
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How do you figure he's not a 1st rounder if you haven't really seen him play?
Good question. It's hard to evaluate Matthews because there's very little video available (at least to the avg fan). I'd have to go w/ Kiper et al and say Matthews is late 1st round talent. Honestly, i'd rather get Matthews late 1st than Cushing @ 13. But then in the latter half of the 1st there's guys like English, Laurinitus etc. Tough call.
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In his latest mock Pat Kirwan has the Skins taking Aaron Maybin to play the SAM. That is kind of an interesting name. I can't find any good game highlights on him, but watching his combine performance he looks like a fluid athlete. He played DE in college and has pass rush skills so he could help get after the QB either from the SAM or even by putting his hand on the ground as a situational pass rusher. If they did decide to go defense that could be someone to watch. I really am down on Cushing and think Brown and Orakpo will probably be gone. It is also possible that the top four tackles all go in the top 10.
Maybin scares the living shit out of me because his statistical profile is basically equal to Devin Thomas: a poor first season, then a record-setting second season followed by darting to the NFL before regression to the mean can occur.

One thing that baseball and football scouts and statisticians all agree on is that a truly elite talent is a truly elite talent regardless of circumstantial evidence that suggests he'll fail. And there's no doubt Maybin is a perfect fit in our system as a 4-3 linebacker.

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9. Aaron Maybin, Penn State
Maybin is an explosive player on film, but he's a player with a single pass rushing move, doesn't have the size to hold up as a down end in the NFL, and wasn't particularly impressive at all in Indy. On top of all of that, Maybin carries the dreaded one-year wonder tag as well, having posted more than 80% of his college production as a college sophomore, and then bolting for the NFL draft before he could develop that second move that pass rushers in the NFL require. Maybin is not a good prospect as either a 3-4 outside linebacker or a 4-3 end, but I actually like his skill set as an outside linebacker in the 4-3. Either way, you are taking a massive project, so Maybin is second day material.
Understandably, I wouldn't touch Maybin in the first round. There's not strong evidence that he's an NFL prospect. But if film truly doesn't lie, he could be just the player we are looking for.

The posterchild for high risk/high reward.
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Old 03-13-2009, 03:10 PM   #124
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Maybin scares the living shit out of me because his statistical profile is basically equal to Devin Thomas: a poor first season, then a record-setting second season followed by darting to the NFL before regression to the mean can occur.

One thing that baseball and football scouts and statisticians all agree on is that a truly elite talent is a truly elite talent regardless of circumstantial evidence that suggests he'll fail. And there's no doubt Maybin is a perfect fit in our system as a 4-3 linebacker.

I had this to say about him last weekend:

Understandably, I wouldn't touch Maybin in the first round. There's not strong evidence that he's an NFL prospect. But if film truly doesn't lie, he could be just the player we are looking for.

The posterchild for high risk/high reward.
Thanks for info, I really know nothing about Maybin.
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Maybin seems to make more sense than Cushing at No. 13 though. If we swing at Maybin we might miss really, really hard, at it would be costly no doubt. But it would make more sense than watching Cushing struggle through injuries and McIntosh-type production for the better part of the next five years while our defense gradually declines.

The gradual decline of a defense built like ours is inevitable anyway. I'm just really hoping that we can get some pass rushers so we can take advantage of having Haynesworth's best years here in our defense. He's not going to get any better than he is right now, so his biggest impact to our defense is going to come this year. If we're not a top five defense this year, we're in lots of trouble (thanks, DHall contract!).
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Maybin seems to make more sense than Cushing at No. 13 though. If we swing at Maybin we might miss really, really hard, at it would be costly no doubt. But it would make more sense than watching Cushing struggle through injuries and McIntosh-type production for the better part of the next five years while our defense gradually declines.

The gradual decline of a defense built like ours is inevitable anyway. I'm just really hoping that we can get some pass rushers so we can take advantage of having Haynesworth's best years here in our defense. He's not going to get any better than he is right now, so his biggest impact to our defense is going to come this year. If we're not a top five defense this year, we're in lots of trouble (thanks, DHall contract!).
Hear u on the pass rush but I hope we can manufacture more of it w/ an upgrade at OLB and some creativity within our current players. Chris Wilson should get more opps coming off RDE for one thing. A SLB who can get after the passer would then yield a three prong attack then. I like your thinking on a 4-3, 3-4 tweener who can attack as a pass rusher.
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Old 03-13-2009, 03:42 PM   #127
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How do you figure he's not a 1st rounder if you haven't really seen him play?
I have, but very little. What I also tried to do is watch C. Matthews's play in the Maualuga and Cushing videos. But from what I gather, he's not 1st round material. Disagree with it or not, because it's only my opinion - and only time will tell if i'm right.
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Old 03-13-2009, 03:46 PM   #128
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Sure, you'd take Orakpo over Johnson, but the chances are Orakpo goes in the top 10 and the Skins won't have a shot at him. And actually, if Orakpo were to slip to 13, I'd use it as leverage to move back on favorable terms.
But I wouldn't take Orakpo even if he were available. I wouldn't take any DE in this draft class at 13, from what i've seen.
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Old 03-13-2009, 03:49 PM   #129
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I don't know that any of the USC linebackers really stand out up above the others for me. I like them all, but not sure I like any of them at 13 (I guess Maualuga more than the other two)

What scares me about Maybin and Brown is I can't figure out if they're better as LBs or as DEs? In a 3-4, or a 4-3?

I think I still want Oher (unless by some miracle Curry or Monroe falls), if we stay at 13

But Tyson Jackson is slowly creeping up the board and he would be the perfect fit for this defense.

Still, we should draft an OL
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I don't know that any of the USC linebackers really stand out up above the others for me. I like them all, but not sure I like any of them at 13 (I guess Maualuga more than the other two)

What scares me about Maybin and Brown is I can't figure out if they're better as LBs or as DEs? In a 3-4, or a 4-3?

I think I still want Oher (unless by some miracle Curry or Monroe falls), if we stay at 13

But Tyson Jackson is slowly creeping up the board and he would be the perfect fit for this defense.

Still, we should draft an OL
The one thing I really like about Jackson is that in a non-Blache defense in the post-Griffin era, he actually could solve the DT issue next to Haynesworth. He could get some nice pressure on the QB from that position. Jackson would be a nice long-term pick, a smarter pick than Maybin who fits our immediate needs well.

I think Maybin is a fit in only a system like ours that likes to send 5+ guys after the passer on most plays. He's going to have to be a 4-3 linebacker, or an inside/outside hybrid LB in the 3-4 (like Vrabel or Suggs) if he's got any shot in the NFL.

Brown is smallish, but I think he plays in any scheme. A 4-3 team could play him at end or at OLB and get production, and a 3-4 team could play him at any LB spot. He's gone in the top ten picks though.
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Old 03-18-2009, 07:22 PM   #131
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But I wouldn't take Orakpo even if he were available. I wouldn't take any DE in this draft class at 13, from what i've seen.
What if we call Orakpo a LB, would you take him then at 13?
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What if we call Orakpo a LB, would you take him then at 13?
You can call him a LB, but what I see is a DE.
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we'd take orakpo to be a DE, but he won't be there.
maybin bulked up to look like an NFL DE and it slowed him way down, so i'd only look at him as a LB... unless you want a 240lb DE (and he's not dwight freeney).
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Old 03-18-2009, 11:25 PM   #134
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we'd take orakpo to be a DE, but he won't be there.
maybin bulked up to look like an NFL DE and it slowed him way down, so i'd only look at him as a LB... unless you want a 240lb DE (and he's not dwight freeney).
Well Orakpo said we talked to him about playing the SAM so...

Maybin slowed down from what?
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I'm not endorsing it but, has anyone given any thought to the push we'd get up the middle if we drafted Peria Jerry to play next to Haynesworth? Just a thought.
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