Draft Thoughts - The Post-Haynesworth Edition

vaoutlaws2006 · 02-28-2009, 05:32 AM

if they dont trade down to pick up more draft picks then at #13 you take the best offensive lineman on the board.

rypper11 · 02-28-2009, 06:48 AM

I want Aaron Curry. Two months ago it looked like he'd be bottom half of the 1st round but now it's looking top 3. I think he is the only "can't miss" in the draft and plays a position of need.
Trade up with Detroit and take him. This year's 1st and 3rd round picks and next year's 2nd round. Detroit needs help at so many spots it would make sense for them and we'd get, IMO, a decades worth of Pro Bowls from the OLB position. Plus, after making the biggest splash in FA we'd also have the biggest splash in the draft.

SC Skins Fan · 02-28-2009, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by rypper11

I want Aaron Curry. Two months ago it looked like he'd be bottom half of the 1st round but now it's looking top 3. I think he is the only "can't miss" in the draft and plays a position of need.
Trade up with Detroit and take him. This year's 1st and 3rd round picks and next year's 2nd round. Detroit needs help at so many spots it would make sense for them and we'd get, IMO, a decades worth of Pro Bowls from the OLB position. Plus, after making the biggest splash in FA we'd also have the biggest splash in the draft.

Good luck making that deal. That would be the cheapest price for moving to number one of all time.

SC Skins Fan · 02-28-2009, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I honestly think that right now the plan seems to be trade down. Take the best linebacker available in which case they take Maluga if he falls down to them, James Laurinaitis, or Brian Chushing and then take one of the second tier tackles should they get a second round pick. Guys like Phil Loadholt, Jamon Meredith, and Steven Beatty come to mind. I also think it's possible that they might have a deal where their trade down looks something like this

Redskins get
low to mid first round pick
low to mid second round Pick
trading teams fourth round pick

Trade Partner gets
Redskins 1st round pick
Redskins 3rd round pick

Sort of like how we ended up giving the Falcons our third round pick on top of our first.

Anyone have ideas on possible trade partners?

Going off the value chart it is kind of tricky to make your scenario work, just because the value of the 2nd's of the teams picking the in 20's does not give them enough value (by the chart) to move up to 13 and get that 3rd. The two perfect partners for the Skins are the Patriots (which will never happen) who have picks 23/47 and the Dolphins 25/44 (Redskins pick). If you add those picks then you are basically looking at enough value to move up to 13 and get a 5th back (but not the third). Basically any team in the 20's would have to give both their first and second to move up to 13, but the Skins would not have to include a 3rd. I just don't know if a team would see tremendous value in doing that. Depends on who falls to 13 I guess.

redskinjim · 02-28-2009, 09:07 AM

yes lets get beef on the o line like the ravens

53Fan · 02-28-2009, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Nflnick11

Keep in mind that mack would have to learn the schemes and how to pickup blitzs etc. Which would take a while, and seeing that we're built for this year, we can't be fooling around with a rookie center, plus I don't think he'd play that much this year anyway so it be a rinehart type pick (sitting on the sidelines all season)... Yes I know what your gonna say, that he can play guard, but we just got dock, and homas I hink will still be here next year, so we need to draft a RT not exactly a center...right now...(we also need an OLB a lot more than a center)

Most reviews of Mack have him starting as a rookie. The ideal situation would be to have him sit the first few games then start around the 5th or 6th game of the season. The middle of our defense just became VERY strong with the addition of Haynesworth. The addition of Mack would make our offense very strong up the middle as well. We could run up the middle and also have a pocket for Jason to step up into. I think there are a number of players who could fill the RT position. Having said that, I think right now our most likely pick would be Oher, Smith, or Orakpo.

KI Skins Fan · 02-28-2009, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Anyone have ideas on possible trade partners?

The Lions have two picks in the 1st Round, #'s 1 and 20. If there is a player available at #13 that they feel they must have, then we could trade #13 for #20, the 1st pick in Round 3 (#65), and possibly the 1st pick in Round 6. That might be a nice deal for us.

MeanEvilSkin · 02-28-2009, 10:15 AM

I've been on record asking for line help. Now that we got AH and Dockery, I'm leaning towards a different direction with the 13 pick. If Rey is there, we should take him. He has the SOLID potential, make that likelihood, that he's going to be a special player. The team has the advantage now of being able to take a special player like Rey as opposed to what had been a more immediate need like OL.

Rey, in his own way, could turn into a Merriman type pick for us. He's a dominant player. Five years from now, look back and compare him to the other players we've considered at this spot. That's the choice.

REDSKIN1 · 02-28-2009, 10:20 AM

With the signings we have made thus far, I don't see us having enough money to sign a player that we would sign at 13. However, I was watching Redskins Nation last night and Vinny said that even with the signings the 13th draft picks budget has already been put aside. I really impressed on how the Skins are able to manage the cap. It looks like we were the ones 61 mil below the cap. Anyway, I would definetly go after a LB with our first pick, we definetly have a need there, with London getting up and age and the loss of Marcus. I just can't see Blades filling that position. I think the signing of Dockery bought our line a little more time. However if we do go after a lineman, I would think the Center position is the most pressing need for the team right now.

ChickenMonkey · 02-28-2009, 01:01 PM

2 scenarios

NO TRADE
1st Andre Smith OT
3rd Tyronne McKenzie OLB
5th Matt Shaughnessy DE Or L.Sidbury
6th Frantz Joseph ILB

Trade Down w/ Detriot Add 2nd rd Pick
1st Larry English OLB
2nd Jamon Meredith OT
3rd Asher Allen CB
5th Matt Shaughnessy DE or L.Sidbury
6th Frantz Joseph ILB

The Goat · 02-28-2009, 01:35 PM

Caponomics at the Park - Redskins 360 - Washington Redskins Blog - The Washington Times

If the Elfin article is accurate and we are done in FA I think we almost have to approach the draft like we're gonna pick two legit starters at RT and OLB.

To me then the key is getting a pick in the 2nd round via trade so a deal w/ the Lions makes sense... they get the 13th overall and we get their 1st and 2nd rd picks. If we have to sweeten the deal by giving them our last pick (6th round?) we ought to, again just to guarantee we get a shot at 2nd round talent.

... at 20, if all this works out, I think we would be really fortunate to get either Oher, A. Smith or Rey M. If any one of them is available it's an easy pick and then we take the other pos of need in the 2nd round. Anyway, I don't think Vinny can really take the BPA approach, which I thought was just some made-up bullshit from last year anyway. We have to get RT and OLB studs in the first 2 rounds.

Dirtbag59 · 02-28-2009, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

Caponomics at the Park - Redskins 360 - Washington Redskins Blog - The Washington Times

If the Elfin article is accurate and we are done in FA I think we almost have to approach the draft like we're gonna pick two legit starters at RT and OLB.

To me then the key is getting a pick in the 2nd round via trade so a deal w/ the Lions makes sense... they get the 13th overall and we get their 1st and 2nd rd picks. If we have to sweeten the deal by giving them our last pick (6th round?) we ought to, again just to guarantee we get a shot at 2nd round talent.

... at 20, if all this works out, I think we would be really fortunate to get either Oher, A. Smith or Rey M. If any one of them is available it's an easy pick and then we take the other pos of need in the 2nd round. Anyway, I don't think Vinny can really take the BPA approach, which I thought was just some made-up bullshit from last year anyway. We have to get RT and OLB studs in the first 2 rounds.

In that case the availability of the big 4 will function as very attractive trade bait. Still I want Andre Smith for ourselves. Getting a guy like Smith could add about 100 to 200 yards to our rushing total next year.

Dirtbag59 · 02-28-2009, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Going off the value chart it is kind of tricky to make your scenario work, just because the value of the 2nd's of the teams picking the in 20's does not give them enough value (by the chart) to move up to 13 and get that 3rd. The two perfect partners for the Skins are the Patriots (which will never happen) who have picks 23/47 and the Dolphins 25/44 (Redskins pick). If you add those picks then you are basically looking at enough value to move up to 13 and get a 5th back (but not the third). Basically any team in the 20's would have to give both their first and second to move up to 13, but the Skins would not have to include a 3rd. I just don't know if a team would see tremendous value in doing that. Depends on who falls to 13 I guess.

Sorry I was just using the Falcons trade last year as a templete, but keep in mind teams have thrown the draft chart out the window and given up huge amounts of draft pick value to insure that they get their guy. Brady Quinn I think is the quintessential example.

NM Redskin · 02-28-2009, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Brady Quinn I think is the quintessential example.

That is what I'm hoping for, for Sanchez. I think if he falls to 13, it might be real easy to trade that pick for good value.

joelew1@cox.net · 02-28-2009, 06:01 PM

The D was 4th overall last year. The focus should be more on the O side because they cost the team some games last year by not producing.

02-28-2009, 05:32 AM	#16
vaoutlaws2006 Impact Rookie Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Fayettenam, NC Age: 41 Posts: 806	Re: Draft Thoughts - The Post-Haynesworth Edition if they dont trade down to pick up more draft picks then at #13 you take the best offensive lineman on the board. __________________ The future is obviously right now!

02-28-2009, 06:48 AM	#17
rypper11 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Winston Salem, NC Posts: 1,217	Re: Draft Thoughts - The Post-Haynesworth Edition I want Aaron Curry. Two months ago it looked like he'd be bottom half of the 1st round but now it's looking top 3. I think he is the only "can't miss" in the draft and plays a position of need. Trade up with Detroit and take him. This year's 1st and 3rd round picks and next year's 2nd round. Detroit needs help at so many spots it would make sense for them and we'd get, IMO, a decades worth of Pro Bowls from the OLB position. Plus, after making the biggest splash in FA we'd also have the biggest splash in the draft. __________________ Playing a kids game for a kings ransom.

02-28-2009, 10:15 AM	#23
MeanEvilSkin Camp Scrub Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 59	Re: Draft Thoughts - The Post-Haynesworth Edition I've been on record asking for line help. Now that we got AH and Dockery, I'm leaning towards a different direction with the 13 pick. If Rey is there, we should take him. He has the SOLID potential, make that likelihood, that he's going to be a special player. The team has the advantage now of being able to take a special player like Rey as opposed to what had been a more immediate need like OL. Rey, in his own way, could turn into a Merriman type pick for us. He's a dominant player. Five years from now, look back and compare him to the other players we've considered at this spot. That's the choice. __________________ Build this team through the draft, please! Starting with both lines. A dynasty is not a bad thing to shoot for!

02-28-2009, 10:20 AM	#24
REDSKIN1 Special Teams Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: ROANOKE, VA Age: 36 Posts: 109	Re: Draft Thoughts - The Post-Haynesworth Edition With the signings we have made thus far, I don't see us having enough money to sign a player that we would sign at 13. However, I was watching Redskins Nation last night and Vinny said that even with the signings the 13th draft picks budget has already been put aside. I really impressed on how the Skins are able to manage the cap. It looks like we were the ones 61 mil below the cap. Anyway, I would definetly go after a LB with our first pick, we definetly have a need there, with London getting up and age and the loss of Marcus. I just can't see Blades filling that position. I think the signing of Dockery bought our line a little more time. However if we do go after a lineman, I would think the Center position is the most pressing need for the team right now. __________________ "AND YOU KNOW THIS MAN"

02-28-2009, 01:01 PM	#25
ChickenMonkey Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Ontario,Ca Age: 39 Posts: 274	Re: Draft Thoughts - The Post-Haynesworth Edition 2 scenarios NO TRADE 1st Andre Smith OT 3rd Tyronne McKenzie OLB 5th Matt Shaughnessy DE Or L.Sidbury 6th Frantz Joseph ILB Trade Down w/ Detriot Add 2nd rd Pick 1st Larry English OLB 2nd Jamon Meredith OT 3rd Asher Allen CB 5th Matt Shaughnessy DE or L.Sidbury 6th Frantz Joseph ILB

02-28-2009, 09:07 AM	#20
redskinjim Special Teams Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: fresno ca Posts: 371	Re: Draft Thoughts - The Post-Haynesworth Edition yes lets get beef on the o line like the ravens

02-28-2009, 01:35 PM	#26
The Goat Pro Bowl Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,020	Re: Draft Thoughts - The Post-Haynesworth Edition Caponomics at the Park - Redskins 360 - Washington Redskins Blog - The Washington Times If the Elfin article is accurate and we are done in FA I think we almost have to approach the draft like we're gonna pick two legit starters at RT and OLB. To me then the key is getting a pick in the 2nd round via trade so a deal w/ the Lions makes sense... they get the 13th overall and we get their 1st and 2nd rd picks. If we have to sweeten the deal by giving them our last pick (6th round?) we ought to, again just to guarantee we get a shot at 2nd round talent. ... at 20, if all this works out, I think we would be really fortunate to get either Oher, A. Smith or Rey M. If any one of them is available it's an easy pick and then we take the other pos of need in the 2nd round. Anyway, I don't think Vinny can really take the BPA approach, which I thought was just some made-up bullshit from last year anyway. We have to get RT and OLB studs in the first 2 rounds. __________________ Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes he eats you.

02-28-2009, 06:01 PM	#30
joelew1@cox.net Camp Scrub Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 18	Re: Draft Thoughts - The Post-Haynesworth Edition The D was 4th overall last year. The focus should be more on the O side because they cost the team some games last year by not producing. __________________ Lew

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