Draft Thoughts - The Post-Haynesworth Edition

SmootSmack · 03-01-2009, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

I hope Cushing isn't someone they're considering @ 13 or even 20 for that matter...

Seriously, if we're gonna settle for a guy w/ durability and injury concerns i.e. Cushing, Orekpo, then just bring Marcus back for a cheap deal and maybe swap he and Rocky.

.. on that note I don't understand why Marcus was kept at SLB the last couple years. It really seems like the SLB gets stuck in coverage far more than WLB therefor Rocky would have always made more sense @ strong side and Marcus and weak side. Like Lavar was never great in coverage and played WLB... i would want to have seen Marcus in the same scenario to sort of hide his downside.

I think Rocky should play the strong side as well, and draft Freeman in the 3rd who should be able to instantly step in as the WLB. Take an OL at #13.

The Goat · 03-01-2009, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think Rocky should play the strong side as well, and draft Freeman in the 3rd who should be able to instantly step in as the WLB. Take an OL at #13.

We are of like mind sir... except that I still have a soft spot for Marcus

When they cut him do you think the FO had any intention of bringing him back for less and would he even be interested?

... he's not rated very high as a FA OLB so it's unlikely he'd get a big(ger) contract elsewhere, just been curious whether this is even a possibility.

Big C · 03-01-2009, 04:44 PM

rey maualuga for me. i dont think we will take him though, just a hunch. orakpo or OT are mire likely for me

SmootSmack · 03-01-2009, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

We are of like mind sir... except that I still have a soft spot for Marcus

When they cut him do you think the FO had any intention of bringing him back for less and would he even be interested?

... he's not rated very high as a FA OLB so it's unlikely he'd get a big(ger) contract elsewhere, just been curious whether this is even a possibility.

I think Marcus is great, I was a big proponent of getting him here back in 2004...but I think his days as a Redskin are done

SFREDSKIN · 03-01-2009, 05:03 PM

Well, we better beef up the OL, Giants just signed Canty.

The Goat · 03-01-2009, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Well, we better beef up the OL, Giants just signed Canty.

Saw that and agreed. I think the common sense approach is definitely leaning toward OT w/ our first pick and probably @ 13 (no trade-down) because Monroe, Oher, and the Smith's look like they will def be gone by 20. This is a bit of a shame that there isn't enough starting caliber RTs to spread into the 2nd round because Rey Maluauga may actually be available at 20 because of the combine/injury/40 time

The Goat · 03-01-2009, 05:11 PM

Wait... i just figured it out. We could package Golston or Monty w/ ARL and our last pick of the draft for Detroit's 20th overall pick, then we get a top OT and Rey. Man this FO thing is really fun once you get the hang of it...

BigHairedAristocrat · 03-01-2009, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think Rocky should play the strong side as well, and draft Freeman in the 3rd who should be able to instantly step in as the WLB. Take an OL at #13.

This is exactly what ive been thinking we should do. We must take a tackle at 13 because we need someone who can potentially slide to LT in 2010. Its highly unlikely that we could trade down and still get a guy with the potential to do that. This is an extremely deep draft at LB, so someone like Freeman from Ohio state, Ivy from WVU, or perhaps even Zack Follett from Cal could come in right away.

I strongly think we should try to resign Washington though. The cap credit we get from signing someone with his NFL experience should make him very affordable, and not make it necessary to start a 3rd Rd LB right away.

I personally think we may be better off moving Taylor to LB, though. If we did that, we wouldnt necessarily need to bring Washington back and we could resign Daniels and have him start at DE. Like washington, he can be had extremely cheap. We could also draft a DE in the third round. If Brandon Graham from Michigan falls to us there, he would be a steal. We have to remember, now that Haynesworth and Griffin are our DTs, itll make any DEs we put in there look ALOT better. Having Taylor on the roster gives us alot of flexibility in deciding whether to draft a DE or LB in the 3rd.

The Goat · 03-01-2009, 05:36 PM

Why am I the only one wondering whether Carter could be successful At LDE? Is the verdict already in or something... Carter is a bit stouter than Taylor and for some reason Blache thought Taylor could play LDE. I'm just saying that a rotation at LDE between Daniels or Evans and Carter would let us keep Taylor at his pro-bowl position RDE.

... btw Carter is 6-4 and 252 (thought he was heavier at an earlier point but oh well) and Taylor is 6-5 and 244 (but I heard he drops closer to 240 during the season). Carter could put on a few more pounds too if he were to switch to LDE.

SmootSmack · 03-01-2009, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

Why am I the only one wondering whether Carter could be successful At LDE? Is the verdict already in or something... Carter is a bit stouter than Taylor and for some reason Blache thought Taylor could play LDE. I'm just saying that a rotation at LDE between Daniels or Evans and Carter would let us keep Taylor at his pro-bowl position RDE.

... btw Carter is 6-4 and 252 (thought he was heavier at an earlier point but oh well) and Taylor is 6-5 and 244 (but I heard he drops closer to 240 during the season). Carter could put on a few more pounds too if he were to switch to LDE.

Yeah I think mentioned a while back that they were successful with Andre Carter at LDE against the Vikings back in 2007...but that's against a Vikings team that was no real threat in the passing game. But I would probably put him there and Taylor at RDE (unless Taylor plays the will)

The Goat · 03-01-2009, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Yeah I think mentioned a while back that they were successful with Andre Carter at LDE against the Vikings back in 2007...but that's against a Vikings team that was no real threat in the passing game. But I would probably put him there and Taylor at RDE (unless Taylor plays the will)

Good memory SS. I thought the concern w/ AC @ LDE might be against the run?

SmootSmack · 03-01-2009, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

This is exactly what ive been thinking we should do. We must take a tackle at 13 because we need someone who can potentially slide to LT in 2010. Its highly unlikely that we could trade down and still get a guy with the potential to do that. This is an extremely deep draft at LB, so someone like Freeman from Ohio state, Ivy from WVU, or perhaps even Zack Follett from Cal could come in right away.

I strongly think we should try to resign Washington though. The cap credit we get from signing someone with his NFL experience should make him very affordable, and not make it necessary to start a 3rd Rd LB right away.

I personally think we may be better off moving Taylor to LB, though. If we did that, we wouldnt necessarily need to bring Washington back and we could resign Daniels and have him start at DE. Like washington, he can be had extremely cheap. We could also draft a DE in the third round. If Brandon Graham from Michigan falls to us there, he would be a steal. We have to remember, now that Haynesworth and Griffin are our DTs, itll make any DEs we put in there look ALOT better. Having Taylor on the roster gives us alot of flexibility in deciding whether to draft a DE or LB in the 3rd.

I think Taylor is going to play a lot of LB and DE, you're right about the flexibility he gives us.

53Fan · 03-01-2009, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Nflnick11

Because i know mack will not be able to pick up New York giant blitzes or philly blitzes or the best sacking team in the league, the cowboys blitzes, in his first year...if we get mack he'll be a guard then center, not visa versa...besides why don't people want max unger, he played guard, center, and tackle and started all four years at oregon...you get more options with unger than you do with mack or any other olineman in the draft....Don't think that I'm gonna be mad about us getting mack, its just that i don't think he'll start or have as much of an impact as you all think he'll have his first season

You have a right to your opinion, but I disagree. Most experts say he can start in his first year. I think they probably know more than either one of us so I'll go with that.

SFREDSKIN · 03-01-2009, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Nflnick11

I completley disagree with the fact that you think that those tackles, specifically smith, would struggle and not start right away...Pretty much all the scouts have said that A.Smith would start RIGHT AWAY at RT...for Mack i've heard mixed opinions, some that say he'll start right away, have said that he'd do that at guard, not center...Have you seen every Cal game this year, I was watching mack from the start of this year being that I get all the Pac-10 games, because I've heard he's one of the best centers in this years draft, I watched him and thought he did good, but i noticed he was being put on his back a lot wereas with Unger, and Shipley they held their ground against the BIG boys (I didn't see eric wood that much so I can't say the same) I want to know for a fact that Mack can handle the 3-4 NT's before I draft him

I live in the SF Bay area and have seen him play some pretty good pac-10 teams (USC, Oregon, Oregon State) I have also seen Unger, all I can tell you is Mack has held his own and has looked better than Unger. Do you Javhid Best RB for Cal? Guess who led the Pac-10 in rushing with 1580 yards and 15 TD's. Most of his runs were up the middle. Who was blocking? Mack. Enough said.

SFREDSKIN · 03-01-2009, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Nflnick11

Then can you explain to me why he's always on his back

Got film you can show me?

03-01-2009, 04:44 PM	#48
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Fairfax, Virginia Age: 26 Posts: 4,423	Re: Draft Thoughts - The Post-Haynesworth Edition rey maualuga for me. i dont think we will take him though, just a hunch. orakpo or OT are mire likely for me __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

03-01-2009, 05:03 PM	#50
SFREDSKIN Pro Bowl Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 6,501	Re: Draft Thoughts - The Post-Haynesworth Edition Well, we better beef up the OL, Giants just signed Canty. __________________ Joe Gibbs- The best coach of all time, Lombardi trophy should be renamed Gibbs. Art Monk- Art was like an OL playing WR, doing the dirty work and not getting the glory. Darrell Green- Best DB ever. Purveyor of fine Filth

03-01-2009, 05:11 PM	#52
The Goat Pro Bowl Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,020	Re: Draft Thoughts - The Post-Haynesworth Edition Wait... i just figured it out. We could package Golston or Monty w/ ARL and our last pick of the draft for Detroit's 20th overall pick, then we get a top OT and Rey. Man this FO thing is really fun once you get the hang of it... __________________ Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes he eats you.

03-01-2009, 05:36 PM	#54
The Goat Pro Bowl Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,020	Re: Draft Thoughts - The Post-Haynesworth Edition Why am I the only one wondering whether Carter could be successful At LDE? Is the verdict already in or something... Carter is a bit stouter than Taylor and for some reason Blache thought Taylor could play LDE. I'm just saying that a rotation at LDE between Daniels or Evans and Carter would let us keep Taylor at his pro-bowl position RDE. ... btw Carter is 6-4 and 252 (thought he was heavier at an earlier point but oh well) and Taylor is 6-5 and 244 (but I heard he drops closer to 240 during the season). Carter could put on a few more pounds too if he were to switch to LDE. __________________ Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes he eats you.

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