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Old 03-30-2009, 10:50 PM   #16
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Re: Could you have drafted better than the Skins FO?

Nothing like a little hindsight to make ourselves all feel smart huh
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Old 03-30-2009, 10:58 PM   #17
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Nothing like a little hindsight to make ourselves all feel smart huh
Lol, I'm trying to play it as honest as I can. None of the picks I disclosed on this thread were 20/20 hindsight choices.
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Old 03-30-2009, 11:10 PM   #18
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I have to preface this by saying that I'm infinitely more knowledgeable about the draft now then I was back in 2004. So I probably would have ignored my own current guidelines and gone more off what the experts said back then.

If I was in charge of the Redskins, we would have ended up with the following players (unadjusted for lessons learned, if only to be fair).

2004 - DT Tommie Harris
2005a - DE Erasmus James (seriously)
2005b - CB Ron Bartell
2006 - TE Anthony Fasano
2007 - QB Brady Quinn (DT A. Okoye, if Campbell is assumed)
2008a - DT Trevor Laws
2008b - WR Limas Sweed
2008c - G Jeremy Zuttah

So yeah, I don't actually know if that's better, necessarily. It's different, fo' sho.
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Old 03-31-2009, 08:23 AM   #19
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I have to preface this by saying that I'm infinitely more knowledgeable about the draft now then I was back in 2004. So I probably would have ignored my own current guidelines and gone more off what the experts said back then.

If I was in charge of the Redskins, we would have ended up with the following players (unadjusted for lessons learned, if only to be fair).

2004 - DT Tommie Harris
2005a - DE Erasmus James (seriously)
2005b - CB Ron Bartell
2006 - TE Anthony Fasano
2007 - QB Brady Quinn (DT A. Okoye, if Campbell is assumed)
2008a - DT Trevor Laws
2008b - WR Limas Sweed
2008c - G Jeremy Zuttah

So yeah, I don't actually know if that's better, necessarily. It's different, fo' sho.
I'm glad that you and others participated in my game. When I did my list, I discovered the same thing you did: The Skins FO has done a good job in picking players on the first day of the draft. I wouldn't have done any better, over a period of years.

Also, it seems to me that the Skins are improving at finding players in Rounds 3 through 7. I admit that they would beat me by default in those rounds.

The one thing that bothered me during this exercise was being reminded of the number of 1st and 2nd Round picks that the FO has traded away. Here we have a FO that has done a good job with the picks they've had but, IMO, they haven't placed the proper value on those picks. Holding on to those picks and drafting well would enable the Skins to continually refresh their roster and maintain a younger team.
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Old 03-31-2009, 01:07 PM   #20
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kinda hard to remember for me but i remember 3 players i really wanted and were available :\

1) antonio bryant (went to college around Pittsburgh, got to see and hear about the guy alot, i was sold on him, scared when he went to the boys, seems to finally realize the talent in TB)

2) mike doss (safety, i was really high on him as our 2nd (our 1st pick) round pick but i think we went with taylor jacobs that year) seems hes fallen out after having a promising start with the colts.

3) mason crosby (2 years ago i was really hoping we would pick him up late in the draft, i think we took dallas startz then GB picked him up. i didnt not believe in suisham or his leg strength and really thought [and still do] that a competent kicker and punter could equal a few more wins)

sorry KI for not following your scheme but i just cant think with certainty players i wish the skins had drafted instead of who they got besides these three.

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Old 03-31-2009, 01:35 PM   #21
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A funner way to play this game is to post your pick here right before the redskins pick at each of their picks. You can see who is availible a make you selection. Right after the Draft the mods can lock it. Every year create a new thread for each draft. After about 5 seasons we can look at the results from each of the threads and see who is GM worthy.

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Old 03-31-2009, 02:06 PM   #22
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It's easy to go back years later and claim I would have drafted this guy, I was OK with that guy, but it seems as if you are being honest. I have to admit to being a Mike Williams guy in 05.

Although I think the thread is perhaps misleading in that everyone seems to agree we've done well at the top of our drafts. The problem has been trading mid-level picks and not always finding players when we had them. In that, I think a better job could have been done (which is not to say I could have done it, although I'm not sure that's the standard).
well put.
The trade that sticks out the most in my mind, as well as many here, is the Loyd deal. We gave up a 3rd & 4th, those are valuable picks in the draft as the chance of getting starters is 50/50, and the cost is low.

With the info that was out there on Loyd prior to the trade for anybody that knows how to google or read a San Fran paper online, I can honestly say that I would've at least only offered 1 pick, maybe a 4th.

There are a no. of other deals. I won't pile on w/the JT trade cause at the time Vinny made a quick deal when it appeared we needed it. But overall, it seems that anybody w/a game plan & reasonable discipline could hold on to draft picks better than our FO. In fairness though, Vinny did a good job (albeit the wr's are yet to be judged) last year & traded back to get more picks & minimize risk. I think he just needs more time.
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Old 03-31-2009, 03:47 PM   #23
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Well I know a few things that I 100% would not have done. I wouldn't be giving up draft picks for Duckett, Brunell, Lloyd and Jason Taylor. And I probably would not have given up picks to get JC, Cooley or Rocky. I'm not sure who I would've picked in the draft but the roster would look much different. For instance I probably would've tried to get Warner in 04 for free, coached him up and put a solid line in front of him instead of taking Brunell and drafting JC. I also would have handled the Bailey situation a different way. He would've either had to play for me, sit out or I would have traded him for draft picks. But no way would I have given Denver the extra 2nd round pick.
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Old 03-31-2009, 04:30 PM   #24
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I hope, although there is no strong reason to believe, that the FO has learned the value of having a full slate of picks. I admit, I am a touch envious that the cowpokes made a terrible trade for RW and STILL have more picks than us (although no 1st rounder)
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Old 03-31-2009, 04:46 PM   #25
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To be fair, it is still way too early to judge last year's draft. I'm not so sure the FO hasn't done a decent job draftwise. A lot of people are killing Vinny on last year alone, but successful rookie receivers are definitely the exception to the rule. If even one of them steps up big it will be a decent draft right there--especially having gotten Horton and Moore.
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I hope, although there is no strong reason to believe, that the FO has learned the value of having a full slate of picks. I admit, I am a touch envious that the cowpokes made a terrible trade for RW and STILL have more picks than us (although no 1st rounder)
I'd like to see them commit to no panic moves ever and no trades involving giving up draft picks higher than a 6th rounder.

If they get in a bind at a position, they can make a trade, pick up a Free Agent, talk someone out of retirement, pluck someone off of another team's taxi squad, or have a try out for bartenders, carpenters, and fork lift operators who would like to play in the NFL.
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Old 03-31-2009, 07:20 PM   #27
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I'd like to see them commit to no panic moves ever and no trades involving giving up draft picks higher than a 6th rounder.

If they get in a bind at a position, they can make a trade, pick up a Free Agent, talk someone out of retirement, pluck someone off of another team's taxi squad, or have a try out for bartenders, carpenters, and fork lift operators who would like to play in the NFL.
Or even give a young backup a chance.
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Old 04-01-2009, 02:16 AM   #28
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I know we would all like to think so, but probably not.
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Old 04-01-2009, 08:02 AM   #29
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I'd like to see them commit to no panic moves ever and no trades involving giving up draft picks higher than a 6th rounder.

If they get in a bind at a position, they can make a trade, pick up a Free Agent, talk someone out of retirement, pluck someone off of another team's taxi squad, or have a try out for bartenders, carpenters, and fork lift operators who would like to play in the NFL.
You made me curious, since Daniels and Buzbee went down at the beginning of training camp, are there still players tagged as practice squad players that would have been available. Purely in hindsight, I am wondering if we had brought in a carpenter/bartender as a training camp body, and waited. I am willing to bet there was no way JT would have made it with Parcells last year. Ah well, I liked the trade then, c'est la guerre.
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