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Old 04-21-2009, 07:51 AM   #601
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You know, last year Malcolm Kelly was quite surprised that we drafted him. He said that we barely spoke to him before the draft.
If Malcolm Kelly was surprised we drafted him then he isn't too bright. DS and a contingent of Skins people, including Jason Campbell, flew to Norman to work him out personally prior to the draft.

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I agree Lotus. We also had no idea we were thinking of taking Mayo. I certainly don't remember any mocks having us taking him. This is what gives me hope.
Mayo might not have been on any mocks (because most mocks are worthless), but we knew he had a personal visit to Redskins Park and I think JLC even had a blog post about the team being interested in him. Probably if you search this site you can find some talk about it someplace.

My point is not to disparage your memories, but to say that I actually do not think that the Skins operate very well in the cloak and dagger department. They try really hard sometimes, but the stories seem to get out. Just off the top of my head, Albert Haynesworth's agent dining with DS at the combine, "secret" private workout with Jason Campbell prior to the 2005 draft, Lance Briggs talk, and the list can go on. Not everything happens, but there is usually some fire behind the smoke. I think the M.O. with this F.O. is that if the stories are out there with more substance than "x high profile free agent is available, the Redskins must be interested" then they usually have some legs.

When the Redskins do deal in smokescreens they are of the "we are not interested in Jason Taylor" and then trade for Jason Taylor variety. Usually the intentions of ownership are fairly obvious by their actions unless they just lie about their intentions.
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Old 04-21-2009, 07:54 AM   #602
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If Malcolm Kelly was surprised we drafted him then he isn't too bright. DS and a contingent of Skins people, including Jason Campbell, flew to Norman to work him out personally prior to the draft.



Mayo might not have been on any mocks (because most mocks are worthless), but we knew he had a personal visit to Redskins Park and I think JLC even had a blog post about the team being interested in him. Probably if you search this site you can find some talk about it someplace.

My point is not to disparage your memories, but to say that I actually do not think that the Skins operate very well in the cloak and dagger department. They try really hard sometimes, but the stories seem to get out. Just off the top of my head, Albert Haynesworth's agent dining with DS at the combine, "secret" private workout with Jason Campbell prior to the 2005 draft, Lance Briggs talk, and the list can go on. Not everything happens, but there is usually some fire behind the smoke. I think the M.O. with this F.O. is that if the stories are out there with more substance than "x high profile free agent is available, the Redskins must be interested" then they usually have some legs.

When the Redskins do deal in smokescreens they are of the "we are not interested in Jason Taylor" and then trade for Jason Taylor variety. Usually the intentions of ownership are fairly obvious by their actions unless they just lie about their intentions.
Yeah that doesn't sound right, the Skins were all over Kelly
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Old 04-21-2009, 12:07 PM   #603
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If Malcolm Kelly was surprised we drafted him then he isn't too bright. DS and a contingent of Skins people, including Jason Campbell, flew to Norman to work him out personally prior to the draft.



Mayo might not have been on any mocks (because most mocks are worthless), but we knew he had a personal visit to Redskins Park and I think JLC even had a blog post about the team being interested in him. Probably if you search this site you can find some talk about it someplace.

My point is not to disparage your memories, but to say that I actually do not think that the Skins operate very well in the cloak and dagger department. They try really hard sometimes, but the stories seem to get out. Just off the top of my head, Albert Haynesworth's agent dining with DS at the combine, "secret" private workout with Jason Campbell prior to the 2005 draft, Lance Briggs talk, and the list can go on. Not everything happens, but there is usually some fire behind the smoke. I think the M.O. with this F.O. is that if the stories are out there with more substance than "x high profile free agent is available, the Redskins must be interested" then they usually have some legs.

When the Redskins do deal in smokescreens they are of the "we are not interested in Jason Taylor" and then trade for Jason Taylor variety. Usually the intentions of ownership are fairly obvious by their actions unless they just lie about their intentions.
You are correct about the Skins going to Norman to work out Kelly. But you are overlooking the "we like you, we like you" banter that is part of the process. Apparently we never gave Kelly that vibe although clearly we did like him. We made it look even to Kelly that we were just doing due diligence without real interest. With Sanchez we've done the opposite - very obvious wining and dining, no denials of news reports, etc.

You are correct that sometimes we have failed miserably at cloak-and-dagger. But such antics have worked on other occasions. And the whole trade-up-to-get-Sanchez thing is so blatant, there is no attempt at cloak-and-dagger, not even a failed attempt. It makes me think that it is all a ruse.

As for lying, that is precisely what I am accusing the Skins of. However, it is lying for strategy, as in poker. So let's use the milder term: bluffing.
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My point is not to disparage your memories, but to say that I actually do not think that the Skins operate very well in the cloak and dagger department. They try really hard sometimes, but the stories seem to get out. Just off the top of my head, Albert Haynesworth's agent dining with DS at the combine, "secret" private workout with Jason Campbell prior to the 2005 draft, Lance Briggs talk, and the list can go on. Not everything happens, but there is usually some fire behind the smoke. I think the M.O. with this F.O. is that if the stories are out there with more substance than "x high profile free agent is available, the Redskins must be interested" then they usually have some legs.

When the Redskins do deal in smokescreens they are of the "we are not interested in Jason Taylor" and then trade for Jason Taylor variety. Usually the intentions of ownership are fairly obvious by their actions unless they just lie about their intentions.
I remember that Florio had the story like two weeks before the draft that the Redskins were going to deal for the Broncos' first round pick and take Campbell with it. I mean, that one got flat leaked to him by someone close to Snyder.
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Old 04-21-2009, 12:38 PM   #605
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lotus i think you are remembering incorrectly - it was devin thomas who said he was surprised we drafted him because we had zero contact with him before the draft
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Old 04-21-2009, 12:41 PM   #606
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lotus i think you are remembering incorrectly - it was devin thomas who said he was surprised we drafted him because we had zero contact with him before the draft
That sounds more plausible, I actually thought it was Fred Davis though
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Old 04-21-2009, 12:43 PM   #607
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I remember that Florio had the story like two weeks before the draft that the Redskins were going to deal for the Broncos' first round pick and take Campbell with it. I mean, that one got flat leaked to him by someone close to Snyder.
I thought Len Pasquarelli broke that one
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I thought Len Pasquarelli broke that one
I thought the Campbell leak was the start of the JLC / Post - Snyder feud. This was when they shut the info folow to him. I am not at all sure I am correct, just what I think I remember.
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I thought Len Pasquarelli broke that one
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I thought Len Pasquarelli broke that one
Now that you mention it, yeah, Florio was just commenting on a Len report. Good call.
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lotus i think you are remembering incorrectly - it was devin thomas who said he was surprised we drafted him because we had zero contact with him before the draft
BHA, that could be. My memory could be failing me in terms of who it was. I'll trust you that it was Thomas.

My point remains unchanged, however. Whether it was Thomas or Kelly, we successfully ignored a guy we really liked. And we have not been "ignoring" Sanchez.
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Old 04-22-2009, 01:29 AM   #612
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Re: Mark Sanchez at 13th?

Sanchez talks to JLC about his visit with our team, which he seems to have enjoyed quite a bit.

Mark Sanchez Raves About His Redskins Visit

I found this part pretty interesting

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"It was later in our dinner [Friday night] that Mr. Snyder started asking me the tough questions, and he was totally honest and upfront," Sanchez said. "He's proud of the guys they have here, and he thinks the world of Jason Campbell, and that was obvious. He said that if I come in, it's a competition, and nothing will be given to me, and he makes no promises. And that's way I want it. I don't want there to be anything promised or for anyone to be talking bad about players, because then in a few years they might be doing that with me.
It seems this has already been posted and broken down in another thread lol
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Old 04-22-2009, 02:03 AM   #613
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If Malcolm Kelly was surprised we drafted him then he isn't too bright. DS and a contingent of Skins people, including Jason Campbell, flew to Norman to work him out personally prior to the draft.



Mayo might not have been on any mocks (because most mocks are worthless), but we knew he had a personal visit to Redskins Park and I think JLC even had a blog post about the team being interested in him. Probably if you search this site you can find some talk about it someplace.

My point is not to disparage your memories, but to say that I actually do not think that the Skins operate very well in the cloak and dagger department. They try really hard sometimes, but the stories seem to get out. Just off the top of my head, Albert Haynesworth's agent dining with DS at the combine, "secret" private workout with Jason Campbell prior to the 2005 draft, Lance Briggs talk, and the list can go on. Not everything happens, but there is usually some fire behind the smoke. I think the M.O. with this F.O. is that if the stories are out there with more substance than "x high profile free agent is available, the Redskins must be interested" then they usually have some legs.

When the Redskins do deal in smokescreens they are of the "we are not interested in Jason Taylor" and then trade for Jason Taylor variety. Usually the intentions of ownership are fairly obvious by their actions unless they just lie about their intentions.
I don't doubt what you're saying SC Skins Fan. I wasn't a member of the Warpath until June of last year, well after the draft. But as an outsider (outside of the Warpath) all I remember hearing about was Talib, Sweed, Merling, and Calais Campbell. I'm sure there were others, but with Marcus, London and Rocky here, I wasn't hearing much about Mayo. I do think Snyder was interested in Sanchez, he seems to fall in love very quickly, but he seems to fall out of love just as quick in some cases. I think he may have cooled somewhat (maybe he's actually listening to Zorn and Cerrato) and this may work to our advantage. At least that's what I'm hoping. If this is what has actually happened, he can always play it off as it was all a smokescreen to get who we really wanted, or to increase our chances of trading down. Public relations wise he would come across as looking pretty smart. I only hope he is that smart.
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Apparently Stafford is Jay Cutler Jr.

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BHA, that could be. My memory could be failing me in terms of who it was. I'll trust you that it was Thomas.

My point remains unchanged, however. Whether it was Thomas or Kelly, we successfully ignored a guy we really liked. And we have not been "ignoring" Sanchez.
Zorn, Snyder, Cerrato, and Campbell flew out to wherever the heck Kelly was and Campbell threw him balls. The skins made no secret about the fact they wanted Kelly - they just had no intention of taking him in the 1st round. Going into the draft last year, I was pretty confident we'd do our best to draft Kelly and we did. It wasnt a surprise to anyone. Drafting Davis was a shocker, and drafting Kelly [i]after getting Thomas[/i/] was pretty surprising at that point, but the skins were just as outwardly vocal about their love for Kelly as they are with Sanchez now.

If we learned one thing from Cerrato last year its that his philosophy is to:

1) Trade down if possible
2) Take the BPA reguarldless of need (drafting TE Fred Davis and then drafting Kelly after alraedy landing Thomas).

This year, i beleive Cerrato wants to do the same: Trade down with the goal of selecting a certain player at a position of need he covets without reaching.

Last year, we traded down with the goal of selecting Merling with our 1st 2nd rounder and a Notre Dame DT with our 2nd, but Miami and Philly nabbed them right before us - leading to the Thomas and Davis picks. Cerrato specifically said that they only selected him because their primary target was gone, he was a receiver they thought theyd have no shot at drafting, but he was the highest rated player remaining on their board and he was still there - unbeleivably - at 34, so drafting him was a "no-brainer."

In 2009, Cerrato is probably interested in trading down in the 1st round, picking up a 2nd rounder, and drafting one of the 3 USC LBs or a 2nd tier OT with the lower 1st round pick and a guy like Brandon Albert with the 2nd round pick we acquired. But who knows, we could fail to get the player we target (like last year) and end up taking something else that doesnt necessarily fill a need.

If its up to Cerrato, i think we'll trade down with someone who wants to jump ahead of other teams take Josh Freeman at 13. Its almost certain that Sanchez will be taken by the 4th pick, and if that happens, teams wanting a QB will get ancy and trade up. Trust me, it will happen. Given that Snyder has showed no confidence in Campbell, teams will legitimately fear we may take Freeman if they dont trade with us. If not, they'll trade with us because they know we want to trade down and they want to jump head of another team who would take Freeman with their pick.

However, all of this could be moot, because its possible the decision isnt up to Cerrato and Snyder will make a trade up to nab Sanchez. We'll find out in about 78 hours.
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