Please Draft ??? at #13

GMScud · 04-21-2009, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacks42

For those of you thinking about going after Sanchez, Matt Bowen brings up some pretty good points.

The National Football Post | Sanchez: Do We Believe The Hype?

Unlike celts32, I think this is a solid, valid article. I'd be willing to bet that if Sanchez had thrown a couple of picks in a losing effort against Penn St in the Rose Bowl, he'd be returning to USC in 2010. But he didn't, so he won't, and he'll be a pro in 2010. And IMO he'll probably be a pretty good NFL QB eventually. However it's hard to ignore how one game spring boarded him so high up the NFL draft charts.

So after that one game he became a sure-fire first rounder, and over the past few months he's now become a possibly top 5 pick? What's happened in that time? Zero actual football games, and a few workouts without pads.
Placing value on hype is, IMO, overvaluing. He's good looking, confident, will sell tickets and jerseys, oooh, ahhh. Again, I think he'll be good, but I don't want him at #13, and I REALLY don't think he's worth moving up for.

The Goat · 04-21-2009, 09:34 PM

Huh, i'm a bit surprised Orakpo leads the poll. I'd have thought Smith would. I mean based on talent and past performance Smith was scouted as a top 5 pick. Orakpo is only considered the 4th or 5th best DE in the draft according to Kiper and some other analysts.

53Fan · 04-21-2009, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

Unlike celts32, I think this is a solid, valid article. I'd be willing to bet that if Sanchez had thrown a couple of picks in a losing effort against Penn St in the Rose Bowl, he'd be returning to USC in 2010. But he didn't, so he won't, and he'll be a pro in 2010. And IMO he'll probably be a pretty good NFL QB eventually. However it's hard to ignore how one game spring boarded him so high up the NFL draft charts.

So after that one game he became a sure-fire first rounder, and over the past few months he's now become a possibly top 5 pick? What's happened in that time? Zero actual football games, and a few workouts without pads.
Placing value on hype is, IMO, overvaluing. He's good looking, confident, will sell tickets and jerseys, oooh, ahhh. Again, I think he'll be good, but I don't want him at #13, and I REALLY don't think he's worth moving up for.

I couldn't agree more. I thought Bowen was spot on with this article.

53Fan · 04-21-2009, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

Huh, i'm a bit surprised Orakpo leads the poll. I'd have thought Smith would. I mean based on talent and past performance Smith was scouted as a top 5 pick. Orakpo is only considered the 4th or 5th best DE in the draft according to Kiper and some other analysts.

Well a lot of people have him at #1 also, but every time I see Orakpo I can't help thinking of Vernon Gholston. My GF is an Ohio State fan and I kept telling her last year that I just didn't see it. It was all about size, speed, etc. but when I watched him play, I wasn't very impressed. I'm concerned about injury issues with Orakpo and honestly he just doesn't blow me away when I watch him play.

Redskin Jim · 04-21-2009, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 53Fan

Well a lot of people have him at #1 also, but every time I see Orakpo I can't help thinking of Vernon Gholston. My GF is an Ohio State fan and I kept telling her last year that I just didn't see it. It was all about size, speed, etc. but when I watched him play, I wasn't very impressed. I'm concerned about injury issues with Orakpo and honestly he just doesn't blow me away when I watch him play.

I agree 53, I would be more inclined to go with a trade down and try and catch Tyson Jackson DE LSU.

SmootSmack · 04-21-2009, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Redskin Jim

I agree 53, I would be more inclined to go with a trade down and try and catch Tyson Jackson DE LSU.

I'd be surprised if Jackson was there at 13, but yeah if he's there then there probably isn't a better fit for our team than him.

The Goat · 04-21-2009, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'd be surprised if Jackson was there at 13, but yeah if he's there then there probably isn't a better fit for our team than him.

Talk about a player rocketing up the draft board...but in Jackson's case I think it's smart scouting. He's maybe the safest pick in this year's draft along w/ Jason Smith and Aaron Curry. Watching his highlights it's very impressive how quickly Jackson collapses the pocket...personally I prefer him over Orakpo.

GMScud · 04-21-2009, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'd be surprised if Jackson was there at 13, but yeah if he's there then there probably isn't a better fit for our team than him.

Agreed. I see a run on DE's starting with Green Bay at #9. If that happens, we'll probably get a crack at one of the top 4 tackles, or a DE like Ayers or Maybin. I have a feeling Orakpo, Jackson, and E.Brown will be gone. That being the case, I'll stick with Oher at #13.

SmootSmack · 04-21-2009, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

Talk about a player rocketing up the draft board...but in Jackson's case I think it's smart scouting. He's maybe the safest pick in this year's draft along w/ Jason Smith and Aaron Curry. Watching his highlights it's very impressive how quickly Jackson collapses the pocket...personally I prefer him over Orakpo.

I know, a couple of months ago I was all about trading down for Duke and Tyson Jackson. Who knew we'd have to potentially trade up for Jackson.

But he's the best pure 4-3 DE, as opposed to the many other hybrids out there. Chiefs seem pretty keen on getting him though. And if they don't take him, Cincy almost surely will.

backrow · 04-21-2009, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I like Orakpo because he can play LB and DE and would basically fill two needs with one shot.

My 2nd choice is Smith. I know he's immature but on the field the dude is a beast. He just needs to grow up a bit.

I like Oher/Smith, to help the OL, then Orakpo. I figure both Smith and Orakpo and probably Oher (My poll vote) will all be gone at 13.

GTripp0012 · 04-21-2009, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I know, a couple of months ago I was all about trading down for Duke and Tyson Jackson. Who knew we'd have to potentially trade up for Jackson.

But he's the best pure 4-3 DE, as opposed to the many other hybrids out there. Chiefs seem pretty keen on getting him though. And if they don't take him, Cincy almost surely will.

What's your best guess on Aaron Curry's fate?

GMScud · 04-21-2009, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I know, a couple of months ago I was all about trading down for Duke and Tyson Jackson. Who knew we'd have to potentially trade up for Jackson.

But he's the best pure 4-3 DE, as opposed to the many other hybrids out there. Chiefs seem pretty keen on getting him though. And if they don't take him, Cincy almost surely will.

The Chiefs are keen on Tyson Jackson at #3?? Seems to me they could move down a few spots and still easily land him. And we all know Pioli is a draft-day mover. I think Spagnuolo is probably lobbying hard for Aaron Curry at #2, in which case I think KC either takes Jason Smith or moves down. I'm sure Pioli would love more picks, but he could do a lot worse than giving his franchise QB a franchise LT. They could be pair for a decade.

You don't think Cincy will go tackle? Andre Smith seems like a trendy pick lately for the Bungles. Based on your info, seems to me we'll likely have one of the big 4 OTs to choose from.

SmootSmack · 04-21-2009, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

The Chiefs are keen on Tyson Jackson at #3?? Seems to me they could move down a few spots and still easily land him. And we all know Pioli is a draft-day mover. I think Spagnuolo is probably lobbying hard for Aaron Curry at #2, in which case I think KC either takes Jason Smith or moves down. I'm sure Pioli would love more picks, but he could do a lot worse than giving his franchise QB a franchise LT. They could be pair for a decade.

No, not necessarily at 3. They'd like to trade down and get him.

Depending on how things shake out with the top pick, Spags could be looking at either Smith or Curry. Although the Cincinnati Enquirer, who I trust as pretty reliable, speculates Monroe going 2nd. Personally, I think they'll shock everyone and take Sanchez

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You don't think Cincy will go tackle? Based on your info, seems to me we'll likely have one of the big 4 OTs to choose from.

Tackle definitely makes the most sense, but there's been some rumblings that they may take Raji or Jackson. I think they have to and will go OT...but I'd keep an eye out for Beanie Wells or Knowshon there.

GTripp0012 · 04-21-2009, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

The Chiefs are keen on Tyson Jackson at #3?? Seems to me they could move down a few spots and still easily land him. And we all know Pioli is a draft-day mover. I think Spagnuolo is probably lobbying hard for Aaron Curry at #2, in which case I think KC either takes Jason Smith or moves down. I'm sure Pioli would love more picks, but he could do a lot worse than giving his franchise QB a franchise LT. They could be pair for a decade.

You don't think Cincy will go tackle? Andre Smith seems like a trendy pick lately for the Bungles. Based on your info, seems to me we'll likely have one of the big 4 OTs to choose from.

Kansas City and Seattle both want to trade down, but neither wants to go to No. 13, as they would lose all the players they are targeting. Cleveland has incentive to go down all the way down to 13 only if Crabtree and Sanchez are gone, because they appear to want Sanchez at least as bad as we do.

Basically, we're not going to be able to trade into the top five, unless someone like Kansas City lets us come up, and then uses our stuff to go back up to 8 or 9. But what could they get from us that's of value to another team? Not our first round pick next year. So that doesn't make any sense.

I'm not seeing anyway we get in position for Sanchez unless Danny pays OVER the suggested value (literally an Eli Manning type package), which would be patently insane. I just don't see that.

Of course, Sanchez could fall. The draft could break down like:

Stafford
J. Smith
Ty. Jackson
Curry
Crabtree
A. Smith
...

And then the next 4 teams would all be fielding offers to get in position for Sanchez, in which case, Danny could make a move for a package like our third and next years second for the right to draft Sanchez. But, again, the Jets have more ammunition than us, so they might outbid us not unlike the Bears.

SmootSmack · 04-21-2009, 10:57 PM

My guess is Campbell would be part of any trade discussion

View Poll Results: Matty Loves Mocks' Who Would You Draft at 13 Poll
Rey Maualuga	25	10.82%
Aaron Maybin	6	2.60%
Michael Oher	54	23.38%
Brian Orakpo	93	40.26%
Mark Sanchez	17	7.36%
Andre Smith	36	15.58%
Voters: 231. You may not vote on this poll

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The Goat Pro Bowl Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,021	Re: Please Draft ??? at #13 Huh, i'm a bit surprised Orakpo leads the poll. I'd have thought Smith would. I mean based on talent and past performance Smith was scouted as a top 5 pick. Orakpo is only considered the 4th or 5th best DE in the draft according to Kiper and some other analysts. __________________ Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes he eats you.

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