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View Poll Results: Matty Loves Mocks' Who Would You Draft at 13 Poll
Rey Maualuga 25 10.82%
Aaron Maybin 6 2.60%
Michael Oher 54 23.38%
Brian Orakpo 93 40.26%
Mark Sanchez 17 7.36%
Andre Smith 36 15.58%
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Old 04-21-2009, 10:59 PM   #76
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My guess is Campbell would be part of any trade discussion
Though I know it won't ever happen, hypothetically, would it help or hurt JC's stock w/ other franchises at this point if he came out tomorrow asking to be traded? I'm just curious.
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No, not necessarily at 3. They'd like to trade down and get him.

Depending on how things shake out with the top pick, Spags could be looking at either Smith or Curry. Although the Cincinnati Enquirer, who I trust as pretty reliable, speculates Monroe going 2nd. Personally, I think they'll shock everyone and take Sanchez



Tackle definitely makes the most sense, but there's been some rumblings that they may take Raji or Jackson. I think they have to and will go OT...but I'd keep an eye out for Beanie Wells or Knowshon there.
Sanchez number #2, huh? Could happen I guess. Josh Freeman would love that.

I've heard Eugene Monroe has a degenerative knee issue that could catch up with him after 3-5 years. Anyway, I think if Stafford goes 1, J.Smith is the safer of the top 2 tackles.

It wouldn't shock me to see Cincy go RB. Benson got a modest extension, but he's not exactly a safe bet. But it just seems like they always desperately need help on defense.
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Old 04-21-2009, 11:13 PM   #78
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Though I know it won't ever happen, hypothetically, would it help or hurt JC's stock w/ other franchises at this point if he came out tomorrow asking to be traded? I'm just curious.
I don't know. I think GTripp once said that demanding a trade increases your value, or something like that. I do know, and it's not about demanding a trade necessarily, that the Redskins aren't the only team that wishes he wasn't so "calm" all the time. It's sort of strange, I know, but there are a lot of coaches and GMs out there who think he's flying a bit too much under the radar emotion wise.
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I don't know. I think GTripp once said that demanding a trade increases your value, or something like that. I do know, and it's not about demanding a trade necessarily, that the Redskins aren't the only team that wishes he wasn't so "calm" all the time. It's sort of strange, I know, but there are a lot of coaches and GMs out there who think he's flying a bit too much under the radar emotion wise.
I think demanding a trade simply sets a market where there wasn't one before. In Campbell's case, I think it would increase his value in a trade because the Redskins haven't yet openly shopped him. If the Redskins do openly shop him, then the market is only what other teams bid it up to.

Generally speaking, it decreases trade value to openly ask for a trade, but it's a different dynamic for an "established" player than one with "potential".

Because the Broncos sold Jay Cutler as an "established" player, when the evidence suggested otherwise, they drove the market through the roof for him. Campbell has virtually the same statistical background, but because the Redskins failed to market him to the best of their ability, it becomes a buyers market, as opposed to a sellers market, if Campbell asks for a trade. Right now, it's no market at all.
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We're less than a week away from DECISION DAY 2009!!!

So, based on the players that are most often rumored to be our pick at #13 who would you MOST want us to draft. I know more names than these have been mentioned, just trying to keep the list tight.

(Doubtful Sanchez will be there at 13, but I threw him in there)

Remember, this isn't about trading up or down. This is we have the 13th pick, so we pick at 13. Who do you want?
If Orakpo is there i think he will have a great impact on the defense.
He could be that missing pass rush element that could turn our good defense into a aggressive pass rush turnover producing defense.
Imagine Orakpo playing next to Haynesworth....

But, in order to take him over an OT or LB you must have faith like me that:

1) Samuels will bounce back from his injury.
Heyer will to take hold of the RT spot.
Jansen can provide solid veteran depth.
-And you still must address the youth issue at OT later in the draft.
2) Chris Wilson and Blades will be steady at the SAM OLB spot

Rakpo-Rakpo-Rakpo-Rakpo-Rakpo
Does anyone really think he'll be there at 13?
i don't
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Sanchez number #2, huh? Could happen I guess. Josh Freeman would love that.
Well, well, well...look who's now speculating about Sanchez to the Rams

Rams Leaning Monroe . . . Or Sanchez? - NBC Sports Blogs
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I don't know. I think GTripp once said that demanding a trade increases your value, or something like that. I do know, and it's not about demanding a trade necessarily, that the Redskins aren't the only team that wishes he wasn't so "calm" all the time. It's sort of strange, I know, but there are a lot of coaches and GMs out there who think he's flying a bit too much under the radar emotion wise.
I know what u mean here. Part of the time I just applaud JC for staying calm and collected throughout this ordeal, the rest of the time i almost blame him for not demanding a trade away from the trainwreck that is Snyder/Cerrato. Honestly if I was a GM (for another franchise) I'd be wary of JC's conciliatory attitude toward his own franchise's behavior. Could it be Jason doesn't "eat, sleep and breath" professional football...when he sees all the crap going on around he just picks up the game controller or something?
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Well, well, well...look who's now speculating about Sanchez to the Rams

Rams Leaning Monroe . . . Or Sanchez? - NBC Sports Blogs
Whether or not St. Louis is interested, I suppose it would be foolish not to float the rumor given how much interest Sanchez has generated lately. It's no secret they're looking to move that pick. Might as well stir the pot a little for their own benefit.
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Whether or not St. Louis is interested, I suppose it would be foolish not to float the rumor given how much interest Sanchez has generated lately. It's no secret they're looking to move that pick. Might as well stir the pot a little for their own benefit.
No doubt

On a somewhat related note, interesting piece here by JLC. According to Sanchez, he's been told he'd have to earn the #1 spot here. Which I think is a bit ridiculous. If you're going to take him, and especially if you're trading up to take him, because you think he's Matt Ryan then just hand him the keys from day one

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No doubt

On a somewhat related note, interesting piece here by JLC. According to Sanchez, he's been told he'd have to earn the #1 spot here. Which I think is a bit ridiculous. If you're going to take him, and especially if you're trading up to take him, because you think he's Matt Ryan then just hand him the keys from day one

Redskins Insider - Mark Sanchez Raves About His Redskins Visit
The whole situation just doesn't add up. This is just one more fact in a line of them that draw no clear path.

  • All reports use the word "smitten" to describe Snyder's attitude towards Sanchez. It's been many decades since anyone has used that term, and yet, multiple outlets use it within a day or so? Sounds like a direct leak.
  • We don't have a plethora of cap room, but we're supposedly trying to get in the top 5, where the rookie pool might end up exceeding our cap room.
  • Jay Cutler. We chased him hard because we thought he was the missing piece. We didn't get him, and now it's Sanchez? Really?
  • Cerrato pulled an eleventh hour trade down last year, and now were considering going up?
  • No one in the Redskins organization has ever tried to squash these rumors at all. All Snyder has done is thrown gasoline on the fire. He might just be this short-sighted, or he might be wise enough to leverage his position. Prior evidence suggests he's probably just shortsighted.
  • We've avoided adding pretty much any help in free agency after the Dockery signing, despite unexpectedly cutting Jason Taylor since then.
  • We're frank enough to tell Sanchez where he stands with us, but we're okay going "behind" Campbell's back (I say "behind" because if it is a smokescreen, Campbell's in on it).
  • Brian Orakpo might be a simultaneous smokescreen, or a last ditch attempt to divert attention from Sanchez.
  • We can't even outbid other teams who need Sanchez' services far more than we do.
I don't know guys. This situation reeks of botched management. My best guess: the Skins were prepared to trade the farm for Sanchez, then got a grip and backed off, and are now using it as an elaborate smokescreen. An accidental smokescreen that looks perfectly executed because at one point, it was in fact plan A.

I'm thinking the allure of Mark Sanchez might have actually worn off before draft day. Who knows, if the draft was ten days ago, I think he's wearing B & G, and we're not picking in the first round next year.
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No doubt

On a somewhat related note, interesting piece here by JLC. According to Sanchez, he's been told he'd have to earn the #1 spot here. Which I think is a bit ridiculous. If you're going to take him, and especially if you're trading up to take him, because you think he's Matt Ryan then just hand him the keys from day one

Redskins Insider - Mark Sanchez Raves About His Redskins Visit

I agree that does seem a bit redunant but it wouldn't be the Redskins if everyone understood the logic behind what they do.
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"He's proud of the guys they have here, and he thinks the world of Jason Campbell, that was obvious." Obvious?
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No doubt

On a somewhat related note, interesting piece here by JLC. According to Sanchez, he's been told he'd have to earn the #1 spot here. Which I think is a bit ridiculous. If you're going to take him, and especially if you're trading up to take him, because you think he's Matt Ryan then just hand him the keys from day one

Redskins Insider - Mark Sanchez Raves About His Redskins Visit
Promising Sanchez the keys to the car from day one would basically cancel out Campbell. His trade value would plummet, and he'd likely walk after '09. Not to mention what it would do to the locker room. Snyder was just going status quo. With Campbell on the team, Sanchez would have to compete for the job. That's a no brainer. That doesn't mean Campbell couldn't be traded after drafting Sanchez. At least we're not tipping our hand in that regard. Currently, telling him anything other than what we are would be foolish. At this point I'd say it's possible (however unlikely), that we're running a good bluff.
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The whole situation just doesn't add up. This is just one more fact in a line of them that draw no clear path.

  • All reports use the word "smitten" to describe Snyder's attitude towards Sanchez. It's been many decades since anyone has used that term, and yet, multiple outlets use it within a day or so? Sounds like a direct leak.
  • We don't have a plethora of cap room, but we're supposedly trying to get in the top 5, where the rookie pool might end up exceeding our cap room.
  • Jay Cutler. We chased him hard because we thought he was the missing piece. We didn't get him, and now it's Sanchez? Really?
  • Cerrato pulled an eleventh hour trade down last year, and now were considering going up?
  • No one in the Redskins organization has ever tried to squash these rumors at all. All Snyder has done is thrown gasoline on the fire. He might just be this short-sighted, or he might be wise enough to leverage his position. Prior evidence suggests he's probably just shortsighted.
  • We've avoided adding pretty much any help in free agency after the Dockery signing, despite unexpectedly cutting Jason Taylor since then.
  • We're frank enough to tell Sanchez where he stands with us, but we're okay going "behind" Campbell's back (I say "behind" because if it is a smokescreen, Campbell's in on it).
  • Brian Orakpo might be a simultaneous smokescreen, or a last ditch attempt to divert attention from Sanchez.
  • We can't even outbid other teams who need Sanchez' services far more than we do.
I don't know guys. This situation reeks of botched management. My best guess: the Skins were prepared to trade the farm for Sanchez, then got a grip and backed off, and are now using it as an elaborate smokescreen. An accidental smokescreen that looks perfectly executed because at one point, it was in fact plan A.

I'm thinking the allure of Mark Sanchez might have actually worn off before draft day. Who knows, if the draft was ten days ago, I think he's wearing B & G, and we're not picking in the first round next year.
Good post I especially agree with the last part of that. But who knows he could still be playing in the B & G and we aren't picking in the first round next year.
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Promising Sanchez the keys to the car from day one would basically cancel out Campbell. His trade value would plummet, and he'd likely walk after '09. Not to mention what it would do to the locker room. Snyder was just going status quo. With Campbell on the team, Sanchez would have to compete for the job. That's a no brainer. That doesn't mean Campbell couldn't be traded after drafting Sanchez. At least we're not tipping our hand in that regard. Currently, telling him anything other than what we are would be foolish. At this point I'd say it's possible (however unlikely), that we're running a good bluff.

Just trying to get everyone to sip the Kool-Aid I suppose, problem is we are the only ones drinking it.
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