Reasons for drafting Sanchez

Mattyk · 01-19-2010, 01:57 PM

Mock drafts are pretty worthless. I'm always amazed how some get so caught up in them.

Monkeydad · 01-19-2010, 02:20 PM

We will find out this weekend how good of a QB Sanchez is. The Jets will probably have to throw the ball to keep up with Peyton Manning. 93 yards passing won't cut it in the AFC Championship vs. the Colts.

Mattyk · 01-19-2010, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Buster

We will find out this weekend how good of a QB Sanchez is. The Jets will probably have to throw the ball to keep up with Peyton Manning. 93 yards passing won't cut it in the AFC Championship vs. the Colts.

The Colts aren't going to have an easy time against the Jets D. And if I'm the Colts D I'm not looking forward to stopping the Jets running game.

The Jets have gotten this far with a simple formula, I think they'll lose but they definitely have a good shot.

Ruhskins · 01-19-2010, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

We weren't debating the veracity of a mock draft. We were debating who the sportswriters thought the Redskins would draft. Also, Mock Drafts are generally correct on the first 3 picks. After that, it's gets tougher to predict who'll draft whom.

We draft #4 though...honestly it all will depend on what St. Louis does. If they go QB, the Lions will take Suh in a heartbeat. Based on Tampa's pick, we could very well have our pick between Bradford and Okung.

Lotus · 01-19-2010, 06:33 PM

There also is a free agency period before we even get to the draft. If we sign a particular QB, for example only, we might be far less likely to go QB at #4. Same argument for left tackle, etc. Mock drafts offer soft guidance at best.

mlmdub130 · 01-19-2010, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

Mock drafts are pretty worthless. I'm always amazed how some get so caught up in them.

truer words have never been said

mlmdub130 · 01-19-2010, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruhskins

We draft #4 though...honestly it all will depend on what St. Louis does. If they go QB, the Lions will take Suh in a heartbeat. Based on Tampa's pick, we could very well have our pick between Bradford and Okung.

i noticed you didn't have berry there, and depending on the combine he might be one of thoose guys you can't pass up

Ruhskins · 01-19-2010, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mlmdub130

i noticed you didn't have berry there, and depending on the combine he might be one of thoose guys you can't pass up

Well I was thinking (more like hoping) that Tampa Bay would be enticed to take Berry at #3. As I mentioned before, if this is the case then the picks would be #1. A QB for the Rams (Clausen or Bradford), #2. Suh to the Lions, #3. Berry to the Bucs, and we would get our pick of best tackle (Okung) or second best QB.

In this case, if Okung is horrible for some reason, with Bradford there I could see a QB-starved team (i.e. Bills, Seahawks) wanting to make a move to #4.

dgack · 01-21-2010, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

One more thing I'd like to add. Living in the Bay-Area, naturally I listen to local sports radio stations daily. And the myriad of excuses that JC's fans make for him, are the same excuses being made for Alex Smith. It's everyone else's fault that the team isn't winning but his. They blame the offensive line, even though Sean Hill played behind the same offensive line, the only difference his, he's 7-0 at home, has an overall winning record, while Alex Smith is deplorable at home, and has a losing record. I can't wait to hear everyones excuses for JC next year, once O-line isn't an issue. He's still going to play to conservative, unable to read defenses, and will fail to lead us to one playoff victory.

First of all, it's Shaun Hill. Secondly, I haven't heard a single person on this site who realistically thinks that Campbell is the future of the franchise or a Manning-esque player who is going to lead the team to greatness. How many times does it need to be said? The guy is serviceable and games *and yes, even championships* can be won with a guy like that in there if you get your priorities straight in all the other areas.

I love when guys come out of the woodwork to create these straw man JC boosters who don't exist. Most of us who aren't calling for the guy's head on a pike merely think he's tough, mobile, has good character, and is accurate enough to get the job done playing Redskins football. That is, if we get back to what that means and get a decent O-Line and running game going again.

But hey, don't let that get in the way of an opportunity to drop an advance "told you so" in here.

Son Of Man · 01-25-2010, 12:17 AM

As a rookie, Sanchez is a better leader/player than jason is after 5 seasons. Period!

Ruhskins · 01-25-2010, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Son Of Man

As a rookie, Sanchez is a better leader/player than jason is after 5 seasons. Period!

I'm sorry but making these generic base-less (sp?) statements are getting really old. Sanchez in this Jets team is a better player than a lot of other QBs. I'd like to see what Sanchez would have done with our terrible offensive line and spotty running game. Very few QBs would be successful in the mess of a team that we had this past year.

Sanchez should consider himself lucky not to have been drafted by Washington and turning into another Patrick Ramsey. Instead, he will develop into a very good (if not great) QB in a team that had already built an outstanding offensive line, a great running game, and an elite defense.

I hope that the success of this Jets team has taught our owner (and a few simple-minded fans) the importance of building up a team in the trenches, before bringing in a young talented QB.

53Fan · 01-25-2010, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

I agree that offensive lines are vitally important. However, did the Saints or the Colts build up their offensive lines before they brought in Drew Bree's or Peyton? Did the Pittsburgh Steelers build up their Offensive line prior to drafting Ben? Lastly, the Patriots have only drafted one o-lineman in the first round since year 2000. Granted, they did draft 2 o-lineman in the second rounds, but I'm just having a hard time finding any historical evidence to support your theory of building a line before filling the most important position on the field, QB.

Were any of their lines as bad as ours before they got their QB?

CRedskinsRule · 01-25-2010, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

I agree that offensive lines are vitally important. However, did the Saints or the Colts build up their offensive lines before they brought in Drew Bree's or Peyton? Did the Pittsburgh Steelers build up their Offensive line prior to drafting Ben? Lastly, the Patriots have only drafted one o-lineman in the first round since year 2000. Granted, they did draft 2 o-lineman in the second rounds, but I'm just having a hard time finding any historical evidence to support your theory of building a line before filling the most important position on the field, QB.

I think there is a lot of evidence to support the proposition: A rookie qb behind an ineffective line will lead to the demise of that rookie qb.

I know that is not the argument you made, but lets be honest, if we don't strengthen and deepen our OL ability, that is the proposition we are talking about.

fact 1: QB's that are not P. Manning are not guaranteed to be franchise qb's. And any rookie qb can get shell shocked by the speed of the game, even behind a good oline.

fact 2: We do not have a good oline. Remember we played 5 0fer teams in a row(not counting the Giants who hadn't played a game) and still had a high sack count. JC rushed more than any other qb in our division, and we still had a high sack count.

fact 3: In recent years, teams with Rookie qbs and solid lines have done far better than qbs with rookie qbs and weak lines. Prime example is NYJ/Sanchez, and Balt/Flacco. Neither of those qbs had stellar stats, yet both grew into their position behind very good olines, compared to Det/Stafford.

So the question is do we need to have the Shanahan Hogs in place before we get a franchise qb?

My answer would be no, but you need to have them in place before the qb takes a seasons worth of snaps.

Monkeydad · 01-25-2010, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Son Of Man

As a rookie, Sanchez is a better leader/player than jason is after 5 seasons. Period!

That's just idiotic. Sanchez had little if no effect on the Jets' success this season, they're starting 4 first-round picks on the O-line, had the #1 defense in the NFL and one of the best running games also.

All Sanchez had to do was hand off the ball without dropping it.

Bushead · 01-25-2010, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

Come on, you have to give the guy some credit. He played well enough for the Jets to win yesterday. He gave the overrated Jets D an 11 point lead. He made a lot of clutch 3rd down conversions. He also threaded a few beauties on the sideline to Cotchery. A 139, and a 93 passer rating for your first 2 playoff games are far above average.

I don't think anyone is saying he's not good, but let's really look at the game of football as what it is: a TEAM game. This year they played great defense, great run attack, and Sanchez picked his spots to do well. He did very well yesterday, but he isn't ready to put a team on his back and carry him, which he shouldn't have to do all the time with a great team.

01-19-2010, 01:57 PM	#181
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01-19-2010, 02:20 PM	#182
Monkeydad Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PA Age: 34 Posts: 14,885	Re: Reasons for drafting Sanchez We will find out this weekend how good of a QB Sanchez is. The Jets will probably have to throw the ball to keep up with Peyton Manning. 93 yards passing won't cut it in the AFC Championship vs. the Colts. __________________ Not sent from a Droid, iPhone, Blackberry or toaster

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Son Of Man Impact Rookie Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Ellicott City, MD Posts: 643	Re: Reasons for drafting Sanchez As a rookie, Sanchez is a better leader/player than jason is after 5 seasons. Period! __________________ RG3 or bust!!!!!!!!!!

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