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View Poll Results: Grade the Redskins Draft
A 12 4.65%
B 114 44.19%
C 99 38.37%
D 23 8.91%
E 3 1.16%
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Old 04-28-2009, 10:41 AM   #166
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4 F's so far. Matty, I thought JLC could only have 1 screen name
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Old 04-28-2009, 10:45 AM   #167
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4 F's so far. Matty, I thought JLC could only have 1 screen name
Ridiculous.
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Old 04-28-2009, 10:50 AM   #168
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In the end we won't really have an idea of just how good or bad this draft was until 2-3 years down the road. While I understand some of the initial negative reactions, at the same time it's pretty useless to get all fired up until we actually see what these guys do on the field.
A good point. If Orakpo becomes a perennial pro-bowler, Campbell plays extremely well and resigns with us after the season, and guys like Sanchez (had we traded up and given up our 2010 1st rounder) or the 2nd tier OTs and DEs (whom we could have gotten two of if we had traded down) turn out to be busts, then we obviously made the correct decision.

As much as i am disappointed we didnt use our full 10 minutes on the clock and make a better effort to trade down to fill multiple needs, Orakpo was without question the best player on the board at 13. There is very little chance he will be a bust and given our lack of picks and lack of production from the 2009 draft class, its probably best we went with one sure thing.

We wouldnt be having this discussion if we hadnt traded for Jason Taylor. With our 2nd round pick, we could have landed Clint Sintim, Max Unger, Phil Loadholt or even LeSean McCoy. I hope Snyders learned his lesson about trading high draft picks for aging veterans who dont fit your coaches schemes.

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Old 04-28-2009, 11:02 AM   #169
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The one pick that really puzzles me was the kid from Nebraska. I mean the guy only played LB for one year. Maybe they're just trying to bring in people to play teams but this guy has no shot at playing LB for us. You mean to tell me there wasn't one offensive lineman there who could be developed??
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Old 04-28-2009, 11:13 AM   #170
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The one pick that really puzzles me was the kid from Nebraska. I mean the guy only played LB for one year. Maybe they're just trying to bring in people to play teams but this guy has no shot at playing LB for us. You mean to tell me there wasn't one offensive lineman there who could be developed??
Listening to the FO, I think OL get a natural knock because they if they can't start, and they can't play ST(not many OL can) then somehow that equates to a lower overall score. and thus we don't see as many drafted in later rounds where ST's can be more easily found. Can't prove it, just a thought.
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Old 04-28-2009, 11:31 AM   #171
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Listening to the FO, I think OL get a natural knock because they if they can't start, and they can't play ST(not many OL can) then somehow that equates to a lower overall score. and thus we don't see as many drafted in later rounds where ST's can be more easily found. Can't prove it, just a thought.
No, i think you could very well be right. If you draft a linebacker or safety in the later rounds, they may not be able to play defense as a rookie, but usually they can play teams at least. With OL, if youre not going to take one in the first two or three rounds, you might as well wait and pick up some in free agency as the talent will not be that much different.
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Old 04-28-2009, 12:39 PM   #172
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A good point. If Orakpo becomes a perennial pro-bowler, Campbell plays extremely well and resigns with us after the season, and guys like Sanchez (had we traded up and given up our 2010 1st rounder) or the 2nd tier OTs and DEs (whom we could have gotten two of if we had traded down) turn out to be busts, then we obviously made the correct decision.

As much as i am disappointed we didnt use our full 10 minutes on the clock and make a better effort to trade down to fill multiple needs, Orakpo was without question the best player on the board at 13. There is very little chance he will be a bust and given our lack of picks and lack of production from the 2009 draft class, its probably best we went with one sure thing.

We wouldnt be having this discussion if we hadnt traded for Jason Taylor. With our 2nd round pick, we could have landed Clint Sintim, Max Unger, Phil Loadholt or even LeSean McCoy. I hope Snyders learned his lesson about trading high draft picks for aging veterans who dont fit your coaches schemes.
I think I heard somewhere that they tried to trade down with two or three teams. Also, by the time our pick came about, there wasn't much to trade up for (except Orakpo), Sanchez was gone, so was Maclin, Crabtree, and even Hey-Bey. So I doubt any team would have wanted to move up.
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Old 04-28-2009, 12:55 PM   #173
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I'm sticking with the grade like everybody in the media C+
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Old 04-28-2009, 01:26 PM   #174
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I think I heard somewhere that they tried to trade down with two or three teams. Also, by the time our pick came about, there wasn't much to trade up for (except Orakpo), Sanchez was gone, so was Maclin, Crabtree, and even Hey-Bey. So I doubt any team would have wanted to move up.
We tried to trade UP with two or three teams to land Orakpo, and according to Cerrato, we had atleast two offers from other teams wanting to trade up to our pick, but we didnt consider them very long and instead drafted Orakpo at 13.

Without knowing what the offers were or how those offers would have increased if we had used our full ten minutes, we have no idea what we may have "missed out" on.

In the end, Orakpo was our pick and atleast one reporter/analyst (Skip Bayless) thinks Orakpo was the best player in the entire draft. I wouldnt go that far, but he was by far the best available player at 13. He's a huge upgrade over Daniels and Wynn and i'm excited to see him play.
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Old 04-28-2009, 01:44 PM   #175
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In the end, Orakpo was our pick and atleast one reporter/analyst (Skip Bayless) thinks Orakpo was the best player in the entire draft. I wouldnt go that far, but he was by far the best available player at 13. He's a huge upgrade over Daniels and Wynn and i'm excited to see him play.
Calling Bayless an analyst is very kind of you.

I think that any improvement he would be to Daniels/Wynn is largely irrelevant since he won't be playing their position. Neither of those guys were ever going to play on third downs, when it is expected that Orakpo would get most of his playing time in 09. I think we worked him out at LB to see if he had any value added in addition to rush end. If we had thought of him as a LE type, there would have been no reason to try him out as an LB at workouts.

It seems to take a year or so to learn how to rush the passer from the left side anyway (since the fundamentals are reversed), so I would expect Daniels to be able to pressure the QB more often from that position than Orakpo, at least in 2009.
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Old 04-28-2009, 02:20 PM   #176
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I gave it a C. IMO, the Skins basically drafted 1 player.
Yeah, agreed..maybe 1 1/2.

You got to look at our draft in comparison to other teams drafts if you want to give a realistic grade. You have to be non biased.

Just looking at the NFC east for comparisons sake. I'd rank them.

1. Philly: Maclin, McCoy, Harris, and then getting Ellis Hobbs from NE too

2. NYG: Nicks, Sintim (who is going to be a solid pro), Beatty (slipped out of the 1st)

3. Was: Orakpo, Barnes

4. Dal: 12 picked, maybe they'll hit w/ one but no sure things

So, i don't know how you'd rate us higher than a C. When we seem to be the 3rd rated draft class in the division. We should get an incomplete. At least we got one starter.
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Old 04-28-2009, 02:32 PM   #177
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The one pick that really puzzles me was the kid from Nebraska. I mean the guy only played LB for one year. Maybe they're just trying to bring in people to play teams but this guy has no shot at playing LB for us. You mean to tell me there wasn't one offensive lineman there who could be developed??
My understanding regarding Glenn is that, as a former halfback, he has fine athletic skills and would make a fast linebacker. Also he seems to have enjoyed hitting people like a linebacker should. He also has not had the time at LB to develop bad habits and thus would be a blank slate which Blache could turn into the kind of player he wants.

I'm not defending the Glenn pick as much as I am saying that the FO MAY have had some valid reasons for picking him.
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Old 04-28-2009, 03:17 PM   #178
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Day 1 = B+ (take away points for trading 2nd round picks, but Orakpo was the best available and he fills a need.)

Day 2 = C- (failed to address the offensive line in the 5th round when some 2nd - 3rd round prospects where still available. Marko Mitchell in the 7th could be a steal)

Overall = C

Did well first day, but tanked on the 2nd day. FO seemed to lose focus, drafted injured players that did even show up on most draft websites, and that is never a good look. A few more cerebral picks and we'd have gotten an A easily.
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Old 04-28-2009, 07:55 PM   #179
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I have to give it an "E" because honestly, who the **** has ever seen a grade of E before?
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Old 04-28-2009, 08:07 PM   #180
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I have to give it an "E" because honestly, who the **** has ever seen a grade of E before?
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