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Old 04-27-2009, 11:00 AM   #91
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1- Brian Orakpo (DE) - The ONE guy I wanted them to draft! SO HAPPY!

3- Kevin Barnes (CB) - GREAT steal here, he was a projected 1st-rounder until he hurt his shoulder in 2008. He's going to be very good I believe

5- Cody Glenn (OLB) - Good depth for a position of need in the near future.

6- Robert Henson (OLB) - Ditto above.

7- Eddie Williams (TE/FB) - Now with Sellers' antics and his age, this was a very smart pick as insurance and possibly to replace Sellers next year.

7- Marko Mitchell (WR) - Pick could have been used better on an offensive lineman, specifically a Center.


Overall, I loved the draft. Most happy that we did not get Sanchez and completely thrilled that we got ORAKPO!!!!

So, I'll give it a high B, only because no o-line depth was drafted.
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Old 04-27-2009, 11:03 AM   #92
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As much as I would like to, I can’t give this draft anything higher than a D. Not because I think we made bad selections, but because of the implications of those picks: Snyder is setting Zorn up to fail.

We had the #4 defense last year, an anemic offense, and we did nothing to upgrade our offense until 7th round. Even then, we did nothing to upgrade our offensive line. The minute we failed to land Sanchez, our focus should have been upgrading our offensive line – either to protect Campbell in 2009 and the rookie quarterback we select in the first round in 2010 – Make no mistake, by spending our first 4 picks on defensive players, Snyder sent Zorn a clear message: “I’m not giving you a thing to help you improve this year. I’m hanging you and Campbell out to dry because I have every intention of hiring a new offensive minded coach next year and letting him select his own QB and offensive players to suit his system. While the majority of fans will applaud me for finally drafting a defensive end in the first round, what I’m really doing is setting you up to fail so fans will be on my side when I decide to fire you after a dismal offensive performance in the 2009 season.”

So, for that reason, I give the draft a D – because it means we’re starting over again in 2010. Some thoughts about the picks:

1. Brian Orakpo DE, Texas
He was the best player on the board at 13 and fills a dire need. Next to Haynesworth, he could have double-digit sacks in his first season. The Skins would be stupid to have Orakpo play LB on 1st and 2nd downs and move inside on 3rd as the Redskins told Orkapo they would do prior to the draft. To my knowledge, scouts unanimously say he is purely a pass rusher and sucks in coverage. Now he has a great work ethic so perhaps over time he could learn to fill such a role, but certainly not in his rookie season. If we’re smart, we’ll line him up at LDE and keep him there all season. Orakpo also has some versatility and could be used in a 3-4 defense, in case we somehow land Cowher in 2010. While I think Orakpo was a nice pick, several teams called wanting to move up to 13, and we could have easily dropped down some, picked up additional picks, and came away from the draft with several players with starting potential.

3. Kevin Barnes CB, Maryland
If he hadn’t gotten injured last year, he very well could have been drafted in the first half of the 2nd round, at the latest. Evidently he’s completely healed from his injury and I really, really like this pick – probably my favorite of the whole draft. I think he’s our #4 corner on opening day, #3 corner by the end of the season, and he gives us leverage in negotiating with Carlos in the offseason.

5. Cody Glenn LB, Nebraska
I like this pick more than some of you. Glenn is a special teams beast and I’m confident he’ll make the team. You can’t really ask for much more in the 5th round.

6. Robert Henson LB, TCU
Wasted pick. I’d be surprised if he makes the practice squad. I would have much rather seen us take a center or guard here.

7. Eddie Williams FB, Idaho
The only reason I think we signed him is to have some leverage in negotiating with Sellars, who’s decided he doesn’t like the contract he signed two years ago. He’s struggled with injuries and wont be able to participate in camp, so I don’t think he gives the skins any leverage at all. Wasted pick.

7. Marko Mitchell WR,Nevada
The dudes very fast and I like the pick. Obviously, his chances of making the roster are slim, but given Thrash’s days are numbered and Kelly may never be healthy, he’s got a better shot than do most 7th rounders.
Man BHA, have an agenda much? I gave you props last week for bringing solid content but you contradict yourself too much man. How can you praise 4 picks and yet still give the draft a 'D'?

Even your assessment of Orapko is rife with errors. Scouts were far from 'unanimous' that Orapko is merely a pure pass rusher, most said his best position would be a 4-3 end. I didn't hear many/any reports that he 'sucked in coverage' because he wasn't asked to do that at Texas so what where they basing the reports on? There weren't 'several teams that called trying to get to #13', hell we were on the clock for 90 seconds, how many calls could come in? The word was IF Moreno was on the clock there could have been teams interested but it didn't happen.

Your notion of Snyder-sabotage is just silly. Here's the thing with Snyder, if he TRULY wants something he's going to get/do it, outside opinions be damned. If he TRULY wanted Cutler he would have given our 1st, 3rd and our 1st, 2nd, 3rd of next year. If he TRULY wanted Sanchez he would have given up our 2010 #1. If he TRULY wanted Shanahan to be coaching this team now, he would have fired Zorn and hired Shanahan immediately after he was let go. He wants a winner and while he's willing to do almost anything to do it, but tanking a draft in hopes that the team will suck so he can 'be justified' in firing the coach is ridiculous.
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Old 04-27-2009, 11:05 AM   #93
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IMO, it's not a bad draft. NOT perfect by any means. An "B" or maybe "C". We will definately be signifigantly improved as a team, especially when considering our FA picks as well.
BUT, VC and company needs to figure out how to get to the next level......like the Pat's
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Old 04-27-2009, 11:09 AM   #94
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when campbell leaves us via free agency, who the hell will be the quarterback next year? and i can,t blame him at all,we tried to get another quarterback in here three times during the off-season...
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Old 04-27-2009, 11:29 AM   #95
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Re: Grade the Redskins Draft!

1- Brian Orakpo (DE)
3- Kevin Barnes (CB)
5- Cody Glenn (OLB)
6- Robert Henson (OLB)
7- Eddie Williams (TE/FB)
7- Marko Mitchell (WR)

Brian Orakpo was a great pick. It fulfilled a need and they got a very good player.
Kevin Barnes is a decent pick. Most draft analysts didn't have him going this early.
Cody Glenn is a head scratcher. Guy played linebacker only one year in college.
Robert Henson is okay. Special teams, here we come.
Eddie Williams was a horrible pick. H-back/fullback/tight end with injury problems.
Marko Mitchell is a good prospect. He is big, fast and very production in college. Sleeper.
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Old 04-27-2009, 11:39 AM   #96
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Your notion of Snyder-sabotage is just silly. Here's the thing with Snyder, if he TRULY wants something he's going to get/do it, outside opinions be damned. If he TRULY wanted Cutler he would have given our 1st, 3rd and our 1st, 2nd, 3rd of next year. If he TRULY wanted Sanchez he would have given up our 2010 #1. If he TRULY wanted Shanahan to be coaching this team now, he would have fired Zorn and hired Shanahan immediately after he was let go. He wants a winner and while he's willing to do almost anything to do it, but tanking a draft in hopes that the team will suck so he can 'be justified' in firing the coach is ridiculous.
Agreed, but some people just LOVE conspiracy theories.
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Old 04-27-2009, 11:46 AM   #97
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Old 04-27-2009, 12:21 PM   #98
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Yes, I'm sure that's Danny's exact plan moving forward. Let's intentionally tank an entire draft for the sole purpose of running the coach and QB out of town. Please. That's ludicrous. And since when did Snyder care if the fans are on his side or not?
Yes. It's an insidious super-secret plan by the Stonecutters to get rid of Zorn and replace him with Steve Guttenberg.

C'mon. If Snyder was that down on Zorn, he would have fired him before the draft. Serioulsy, you think Snyder cares? He fired Marty after one season, you think he'd wait on Zorn? Please.
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Old 04-27-2009, 12:24 PM   #99
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Yes, I'm sure that's Danny's exact plan moving forward. Let's intentionally tank an entire draft for the sole purpose of running the coach and QB out of town. Please. That's ludicrous. And since when did Snyder care if the fans are on his side or not?
You completely missed the point - Danny didnt tank the draft - he significantly improved the strongest area of our team - the defense. Whomever takes over as our HC next year will have one heck of a defense.

As far as when does Snyder care about the fans? the only reason Jim Fassel isnt our Head Coach right now is fan reaction. Snyders #1 priority is packing the stadium with fans - he obviously feared that wouldnt happen with Fassel as our HC.
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Old 04-27-2009, 12:29 PM   #100
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You completely missed the point - Danny didnt tank the draft - he significantly improved the strongest area of our team - the defense. Whomever takes over as our HC next year will have one heck of a defense.
You did a horrible job trying to illustrate your point then. Just awful.

"“I’m not giving you a thing to help you improve this year. I’m hanging you and Campbell out to dry because I have every intention of hiring a new offensive minded coach next year and letting him select his own QB and offensive players to suit his system. While the majority of fans will applaud me for finally drafting a defensive end in the first round, what I’m really doing is setting you up to fail so fans will be on my side when I decide to fire you after a dismal offensive performance in the 2009 season.”

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As far as when does Snyder care about the fans? the only reason Jim Fassel isnt our Head Coach right now is fan reaction. Snyders #1 priority is packing the stadium with fans - he obviously feared that wouldnt happen with Fassel as our HC.
Not true, but to each their own I suppose
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Old 04-27-2009, 12:43 PM   #101
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Man BHA, have an agenda much? I gave you props last week for bringing solid content but you contradict yourself too much man. How can you praise 4 picks and yet still give the draft a 'D'?

Even your assessment of Orapko is rife with errors. Scouts were far from 'unanimous' that Orapko is merely a pure pass rusher, most said his best position would be a 4-3 end. I didn't hear many/any reports that he 'sucked in coverage' because he wasn't asked to do that at Texas so what where they basing the reports on? There weren't 'several teams that called trying to get to #13', hell we were on the clock for 90 seconds, how many calls could come in? The word was IF Moreno was on the clock there could have been teams interested but it didn't happen.

Your notion of Snyder-sabotage is just silly. Here's the thing with Snyder, if he TRULY wants something he's going to get/do it, outside opinions be damned. If he TRULY wanted Cutler he would have given our 1st, 3rd and our 1st, 2nd, 3rd of next year. If he TRULY wanted Sanchez he would have given up our 2010 #1. If he TRULY wanted Shanahan to be coaching this team now, he would have fired Zorn and hired Shanahan immediately after he was let go. He wants a winner and while he's willing to do almost anything to do it, but tanking a draft in hopes that the team will suck so he can 'be justified' in firing the coach is ridiculous.
How do I contradict myself? – I specifically stated why I gave the draft a D. If I was allowed more than 20 minutes of internet time at work per day, I would give you all sorts of criticisms of Orakpo – don’t get me wrong – he’ll likely be a great player, but everyone has weaknesses, and his coverage skills are his primary weakness.

How many calls came in – According to Vinny Cerratos press conference, they had 2 offers to trade back – in those 90 seconds. Obviously, those offers weren’t enticing enough to accept. what did they have to lose by using their entire allotment of time? Perhaps other teams would make better offers or one of the two teams who had already made offers would sweeten the pot?

And again, I did not accuse Snyder of “tanking” a draft – “Tanking” would involve deliberately making stupid picks. That’s not what happened here. For the most part, the skins got great players at a great value. If the skins were going to stay at 13, then taking Orakpo was a no-brainer. However, by failing to explore offers to trade down (allowing them to get a starting lineman AND a starting/rotational pass-rusher, the team essentially sealed both Zorn and Campbell’s fates. Baring a miracle, neither will be here in 2010. That’s why I gave the draft a D. We might have gotten great players, but by failing to address the offensive line, we’ve all but ensured another overhaul in 2010. This franchise is in dire need of stability. Instead, we’ve created a top 3 defense that will once again be shacked by a horrible, ineffective offense that cant score touchdowns.
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I know, not grading the off-season here. Just giving the draft a C. I give Orakpo and Barnes both A's. Glenn a B-, Henson and Mitchell Ds, and Mitchell a C+. I give more weight to the early picks because they are higher picks so they (the team) should hit on those. So somehow that averages out to a C,
Not to single you out, as this seems to be the consensus here, but I really think we need to evaluate the weight we are giving to the various picks. We had a 1st, a 3rd, and 5,6,7,7. The 1st rounder was in the upper half of the round, at #13. So many posters seem to be evaluating this draft as if all of the picks each carry the same weight. To me, that 1st round pick has to be weighted at 75-80% of total grade, at a minimum. The 3rd rounder is another 10-15%. If we grade those 2 at an A, the total grade would be a B at a minimum, and that would be ONLY if all 4 of the late picks are given a zero.

I grade this draft an A, and it is an easy call. A B was guaranteed when we got Orakpo, IMO. I was happy with the Barnes pick, so the A was earned at that point. Anything the late rounders do for us will just be icing on the cake, as is always the case.

Sorry, but I don't care that our late round picks had no media hype. I'm not ready to enshrine Duke Robinson in the Hall of Fame just yet, either. He and the other OLs we passed on were also passed on over and over by every single team in the league until the late rounds. Maybe, just maybe, the NFL people in the know don't rate them as highly as some of us on the outside.
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Old 04-27-2009, 12:51 PM   #103
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I think he's talking about Edwin Williams, the C from Maryland we just signed. UDFA=Undrafted....
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The upgrades to the offense came last year. It's up to Zorn and company to get those guys up to speed to contribute this year. And of course the continued development of Campbell.
Agreed, and not to compare unlike players, but for those bitching about us not taking a lineman in the 5th or later, we took one in the 3rd last year and did he even get a snap?
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Yes. It's an insidious super-secret plan by the Stonecutters to get rid of Zorn and replace him with Steve Guttenberg.

C'mon. If Snyder was that down on Zorn, he would have fired him before the draft. Serioulsy, you think Snyder cares? He fired Marty after one season, you think he'd wait on Zorn? Please.
Exactly. If he wasn't sold on Zorn he would have immediately cut the cord. Snyder may be prone to some blunders, but he knows a west-coast system takes time to become productive.
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