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Old 04-28-2009, 10:43 AM   #46
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Man, listening to Jason la Confora this morning on Comcast, it sound slike he thinks Rak Attack is gonna suck. He's such a negative little prick.
I heard that too. What did JLC say, he thought Orakpo would end up as an average player at best. Part of me gets slightly worried when I hear that sort of thing but then I remember the source.
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Old 04-28-2009, 10:46 AM   #47
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^Seriously, Jason La Confora is so annoying. Larry Michael used to make my skin crawl but now I find him refreshing after hearing the negative BS pumped out by JLC. No matter what pick we would have made, he would have taken the opposite stance.

If we would ahve drafted lineman late, he would have said "How are you going to get anything out of a 6th rounder? What a waste."

I hope he gets a chance to interview Orakpo and he shits his pants witnessing such a physical specimen.
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Old 04-28-2009, 11:55 AM   #48
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And if we passed on Orakpo I can only imagine JLC ranting on how we yet again ignored the DL and missed the chance to have a quality pass rush threat.
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Old 04-28-2009, 12:16 PM   #49
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Darrius Heyward-Bey is likely to enjoy some level of good QB play before the end of 2011 in Oakland, and I would not tag him as a likely bust, even though the longer he withers in Oakland the more likely it will become.

Hakeem Nicks will bust in New York. Aaron Maybin has a good chance to bust in Buffalo. Jeremy Maclin, I don't see him ever climbing the depth chart in Philly. Even with three receivers, they'd have to let some of their better players go to make room for him, and that would be a mistake. Larry English could wash out very, very easily in San Diego.

Freeman is a huge question mark, because I don't think he's in a good situation in Tampa. I do favor his potential though over, say, Stafford, who I think as crazy as this may sound, will not bust because he's in a much better situation. Sanchez, I think, is in a better situation than Freeman, and will have a league average career.

But if I'm being asked for just one name of whom will fail epically, I'm going with Percy Harvin in Minnesota.
I listened to KC Joyner, "football scientist", last night on espn radio & found his analysis of players very insightful. He said he studied the routes of wr's & after comparing them, had this to say:

1) Heyward Bey did not run that many vertical routes in college, but it was the one route that he ran well. He doesn't cut very quickly & doesn't run most routes very efficiently. Not great hands either.

2) Percy Harvin didn't run many vertical routes, despite the press about his great speed. Overall he didn't run a wide variety of routes & Fla. got him the ball in a variety of ways, including handoffs.

3) Hakeem Nicks doesn't have great "vertical speed" but he gets in & out of his breaks quickly & runs the deep in, 20 yards & cut inside, very well. He compared him to Torry Holt, a wr that never had great speed but could get open downfield. He felt there were only some fairly minor tweaks to his route running that were needed to make him an effective pro.

I saw Nicks a few times & thought he had great hands & was a strong, physical wr. I liked him before, but I think he might be the best of this class after listening to Joyner.

Overall Joyner thought Harvin & Heyard-Bey were much lesser wr's at this point & he questioned if both were capable of being good nfl recievers.
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Old 04-28-2009, 12:48 PM   #50
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I don't know, the games I saw he seemed to be running everything. I mean you don't catch 100 balls in Div 1 football and not have some seriosu talent. Now I know the Big 12 isn't the SEC but that's still serious production.
Chase Daniel is also maybe the best QB Missouri has ever had. If he had stayed next year and produced even more with they next guy, I'd say that I'd feel a lot more confident about his pro prospects.

Right now, I look at his frame and keep hearing about his general lack of intangibles and just wonder, "how are they going to use this guy?"
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Old 04-28-2009, 12:53 PM   #51
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I heard that too. What did JLC say, he thought Orakpo would end up as an average player at best. Part of me gets slightly worried when I hear that sort of thing but then I remember the source.
The next time JLC says anything accurate about the Redskins will be the first.

Among his 'misses' over the past few months:
-Redskins won't be involved in/be able to afford/sign Haynesworth.
-Redskins won't be able to retain DeAngelo Hall
-Redskins won't be able to afford Haynesworth and Hall
-Redskins will keep Springs for at least another year
-Redskins will keep Jason Taylor for at least another year
-Redskins will look to trade Carlos Rogers and/or Rocky McIntosh before the draft
-Redskins won't be involved in Cutler talks
-Redskins won't be interested in Sanchez

Of course he also said last season that we'd be no better than 6-10.

I'm amazed the Post hasn't moved or replaced him on the Redskins beat. Jason Reid seems to be more more unbiased and has a good rapport with the players. He also seems like he hasn't pissed off the front office like JLC has. I'd like to see Reid as the #1 and have JLC cover DC United (are they still around?).
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Old 04-28-2009, 01:36 PM   #52
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No doubt it will be Sanchez. Who does he have to throw to?
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Old 04-28-2009, 01:42 PM   #53
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No doubt it will be Sanchez. Who does he have to throw to?
He's gonna be paid to manage the game not win it. 3 strong runningbacks great defense yes mediocre wrs but as long as he doesn't go Phil Mickelson or bust a Peyton Manning he sholud be okay.
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Old 04-28-2009, 02:18 PM   #54
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And if we passed on Orakpo I can only imagine JLC ranting on how we yet again ignored the DL and missed the chance to have a quality pass rush threat.
Well done. JLC will always find something to whine about.
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Old 04-28-2009, 03:04 PM   #55
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Damn JLC. I just can't even read his columns. It's like listening to Chris Matthews and Fox News. No matter what the event is, their opinions are made up before anything's even happened.

Orakpo will be GOOD this year, with 6 sacks I predict, rotating at DE with Daniels and Wynn.
2010 Orakpo will probably have 10.5 sacks, and only continue to improve.

Andre Smith is the guaranteed bust of this draft. Look what happened when the Nick Saban locker room disappeared?- Out of shape, stupid, lazy, terrible character.
The Bang-gals locker room is a POS. He walks away with his signing bonus and pisses it away in 3 years. Hope the kid proves me wrong. For his sake.
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The next time JLC says anything accurate about the Redskins will be the first.

Among his 'misses' over the past few months:
-Redskins won't be involved in/be able to afford/sign Haynesworth.
-Redskins won't be able to retain DeAngelo Hall
-Redskins won't be able to afford Haynesworth and Hall
-Redskins will keep Springs for at least another year
-Redskins will keep Jason Taylor for at least another year
-Redskins will look to trade Carlos Rogers and/or Rocky McIntosh before the draft
-Redskins won't be involved in Cutler talks
-Redskins won't be interested in Sanchez

Of course he also said last season that we'd be no better than 6-10.

I'm amazed the Post hasn't moved or replaced him on the Redskins beat. Jason Reid seems to be more more unbiased and has a good rapport with the players. He also seems like he hasn't pissed off the front office like JLC has. I'd like to see Reid as the #1 and have JLC cover DC United (are they still around?).
Disagree with one thing...JLC should be punted to cover Pro Lacrosse.
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Old 04-30-2009, 02:11 PM   #57
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Re: Most Likely First Round Bust

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The next time JLC says anything accurate about the Redskins will be the first.

Among his 'misses' over the past few months:
-Redskins won't be involved in/be able to afford/sign Haynesworth.
-Redskins won't be able to retain DeAngelo Hall
-Redskins won't be able to afford Haynesworth and Hall
-Redskins will keep Springs for at least another year
-Redskins will keep Jason Taylor for at least another year
-Redskins will look to trade Carlos Rogers and/or Rocky McIntosh before the draft
-Redskins won't be involved in Cutler talks
-Redskins won't be interested in Sanchez

Of course he also said last season that we'd be no better than 6-10.

I'm amazed the Post hasn't moved or replaced him on the Redskins beat. Jason Reid seems to be more more unbiased and has a good rapport with the players. He also seems like he hasn't pissed off the front office like JLC has. I'd like to see Reid as the #1 and have JLC cover DC United (are they still around?).

Great record keeping Pain! JLC's stats are far worse than Orapkos. JLC feels Orapko is a bust, we all feel JLC is the bust!
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Old 04-30-2009, 03:31 PM   #58
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Stafford and Freeman will not be worthy of the slot they were taken. Ergo, they will be "busts".

I don't like the Beanie Wells pick much.

Here is my reservation about how good a player Orakpo can become. I am "old school" about defensive ends; I think they have to be able to play the run very well IN ADDITION TO rushing the passer upfield on every play and coming around the tackle for sacks. When I saw Orapko, he did NOT play the run very well.

If he works and learns to do that, he can become excellent; if not he will become a third down pass-rush specialist. And if that is all he becomes, then for the #13 pick in the draft he will be disappointing. Time will tell...
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Old 04-30-2009, 04:03 PM   #59
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anyone from Ohio State ...Hail to the Victor...Wolverines Rule...lol
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Mark Sanchez!
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