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View Poll Results: What Position Should We Draft in the 2010 First Round
Offensive Lineman 159 75.36%
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Old 11-03-2009, 09:21 AM   #166
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are you new to dc, we draft over hyped receivers and really good players that we think would be better suiteed at a new position, not o linemen
For purposes of this discussion, I'd like to assume that Vinny will be gone and that we'll have a real GM by the time we draft.

With that in mind, maybe we will draft a LT in the first round. If so, then it would be nice to pick up QB Jake Locker in the early second round.
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Old 11-03-2009, 09:23 AM   #167
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Ya, he's good, but if bradford falls to us, and/or Okung is off the board, then I think we should still take Bradford, now if all the good LT's are off the board, which I doubt, and Bradford's out, then yeah go ahead and get Locker
I still don't understand why ppl want to take a QB with a shoulder injury (twice) and who needed season ending surgery.
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For purposes of this discussion, I'd like to assume that Vinny will be gone and that we'll have a real GM by the time we draft.

With that in mind, maybe we will draft a LT in the first round. If so, then it would be nice to pick up QB Jake Locker in the early second round.
My thinking exactly, and it doesn't even have to be Locker, whom I like for his toughness. Grab the dominant Tackle in the first round, then take care of QB. It infuriates me that Vinny's plan B for O-line depth was a 400 lb guy who was out of football for 3 years. I'm sure Mike Williams is a great guy, and kudos for dropping weight, but we should have had a better plan for our #3 OT.
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I still don't understand why ppl want to take a QB with a shoulder injury (twice) and who needed season ending surgery.
The injury shouldn't be the kiss of death.
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The injury shouldn't be the kiss of death.
Miami probably wishes that they had taken a shot on Drew Brees and his surgically repaired shoulder. Not saying that Bradford is another Brees, but I agree that if Bradford's surgery and rehab are successful, he should be good to go physically.
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Old 11-03-2009, 09:55 AM   #171
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I cant believe you put Cutler and Rogers in that list. They are worlds ahead of them. Yes you are right thats why you have to keep taking chances till you get one.
I added all QB's in the past 4 years because I didn't want to try and smoke and mirror my point. My point was that in 4 years only 2 QB's came out of the Draft that were actually worthy of a 1st round pick. Saying 2 might be pushing it because Jay cutler isn't looking so hot right now, but we shall give him the benefit of the doubt.

Looking at the numbers for offensive tackles though through the last several drafts though you will notice that offensive Tackles are a safer 1st round pick. More of them tend to pan out than QB's do.

Now I am not completely against taking a QB in the first round, but to do so, I must have a solid offensive line from Tackle to Tackle. Right now the Skins do not have a solid offensive line, so to put a first round QB behind it regardless of his talent level is a recipe for disaster. You do not want to waste a first round pick on a guy that will not be able to stay healthy because your line sucks.

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I added all QB's in the past 4 years because I didn't want to try and smoke and mirror my point. My point was that in 4 years only 2 QB's came out of the Draft that were actually worthy of a 1st round pick. Saying 2 might be pushing it because Jay cutler isn't looking so hot right now, but we shall give him the benefit of the doubt.

Looking at the numbers for offensive tackles though through the last several drafts though you will notice that offensive Tackles are a safer 1st round pick. More of them tend to pan out than QB's do.

Now I am not completely against taking a QB in the first round, but to do so, I must have a solid offensive line from Tackle to Tackle. Right now the Skins do not have a solid offensive line, so to put a first round QB behind it regardless of his talent level is a recipe for disaster. You do not want to waste a first round pick on a guy that will not be able to stay healthy because your line sucks.

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This is why we should go OT. If we swing and miss on a top-5 QB, it will set the franchise back at least 5 years. We are already one hell of a lot closer to being the Detroit Lions than the Atlanta Falcons. The Falcons have given Matt Ryan an adequate offensive line and an outstanding running game. Detroit threw Stafford to the wolves behind their poor O-line and got him injured after only 5 games.
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Miami probably wishes that they had taken a shot on Drew Brees and his surgically repaired shoulder. Not saying that Bradford is another Brees, but I agree that if Bradford's surgery and rehab are successful, he should be good to go physically.
Exactly.

And since the Redskins own physician performed the surgery, medically we should know exactly what the risk is.
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Exactly.

And since the Redskins own physician performed the surgery, medically we should know exactly what the risk is.
Last night before the game, A. Scheffler made this same point & speculated that since Dr. Andrews would work on Bradford, the skins might be interested in him if he's there when we pick. He & Mort agreed w/out hesitation that the team has a need at QB. Guess there's not much debate in the national media about JC now either?
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Last night before the game, A. Scheffler made this same point & speculated that since Dr. Andrews would work on Bradford, the skins might be interested in him if he's there when we pick. He & Mort agreed w/out hesitation that the team has a need at QB. Guess there's not much debate in the national media about JC now either?
It's been clear for a while now that JC wasn't the QB of choice this year, and with the way things have gone I think it's obvious both sides will move on. Especially with a new coach and (hopefully) new GM in place, a new QB is likely.
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Last night before the game, A. Scheffler made this same point & speculated that since Dr. Andrews would work on Bradford, the skins might be interested in him if he's there when we pick. He & Mort agreed w/out hesitation that the team has a need at QB. Guess there's not much debate in the national media about JC now either?
I think Campbell is damaged goods psychologically at this point. Analysts such as Jaws and Theismann have shown instances where Campbell checked down when there were plays available downfield - the guy is gun shy at this point. He will probably make a decent backup for somebody, but little more than that.

If we do draft Bradford, I want a long term coach in place, not a Holmgren who will walk away after 4 years the way Gibbs did. I envy the Eagles with Reid and McNabb being joined at the hip from day one. I want the next coach to be here for 10+ years, so I would prefer to look at someone in their early 40's to stabilize this franchise.
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For purposes of this discussion, I'd like to assume that Vinny will be gone and that we'll have a real GM by the time we draft.

With that in mind, maybe we will draft a LT in the first round. If so, then it would be nice to pick up QB Jake Locker in the early second round.
Locker won't be there in the second round. He'll come off the board in the top 15 picks, possibly be the 1st or 2nd QB taken.
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Miami probably wishes that they had taken a shot on Drew Brees and his surgically repaired shoulder. Not saying that Bradford is another Brees, but I agree that if Bradford's surgery and rehab are successful, he should be good to go physically.
Lou Holtz and others seem to think that Bradford's only problem is learning how to fall on his back. That, and a good weight training routine, should be enough to keep him on the field. I don't think he had an injury history before this year?
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I think Campbell is damaged goods psychologically at this point. Analysts such as Jaws and Theismann have shown instances where Campbell checked down when there were plays available downfield - the guy is gun shy at this point. He will probably make a decent backup for somebody, but little more than that.

If we do draft Bradford, I want a long term coach in place, not a Holmgren who will walk away after 4 years the way Gibbs did. I envy the Eagles with Reid and McNabb being joined at the hip from day one. I want the next coach to be here for 10+ years, so I would prefer to look at someone in their early 40's to stabilize this franchise.
I agree w/Matty, he's highly unlikely to be here next season. I also agree w/you that he seems gun shy & has regressed this year. I still think he can be a decent starter, or would've been here if Al Saunders had been retained.

What I found interesting about Mort & Schef's comments last night is that it's such a foregone conclusion that the skins will be looking for a qb. They didn't say "if" just 'when.'
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Well it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that Zorn is gone, and Vinny may not be far behind. Only makes sense that the QB is next on the chopping block.
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