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Old 11-06-2009, 06:56 PM   #196
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Kalisto, you may be right but in top 10 of those o-line men will absolutely be resigned or tagged with restricted.. It's good thing that free agent starts earlier than draft, so if we are able to sign several good o-line men, then we probably should go ahead and draft QB with #1.. Remember, we need TWO tackles (or maybe more if we decide not to keep Heyer and Williams), a center and possibly a guard.. The chances for us to fill in all necessary positions on offense line through free agency are slim..

Edit: I just checked the free agency pool for QBs, it doesn't look good at all.. There is not one proven starter that can start for any team, although some could argue for Culpepper..

So what I'm saying, is I think all we can do is hope for Snyder to hire an intelligent GM who knows football and leave the rest to him.. We are stuck with what we have.. We have to be very careful if we wish to be good team next year..
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there should def be a cba by feb if not the owners are more douchy than i previously thought, while a lot of guys are over paid, just think of how many get boned by the nfl and have blown out knees and no money and no help from the nfl, even like colt who had a minimum second year salary around 330k but now he is on ir he gets a fraction, absolutly nothing is garunteed in the nfl
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Newsflash: No CBA = No FA.
Plus we need multiple help on the o-line. Free agency, even if it happens, won't be enough to restock the cupboard.

I say OL first round, OL or QB second round, OL or QB 4th round (depending on the round 2 choice), RB 5th round.

Hopefully we intelligently will trade some folks and pick up extra draft picks.
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Wait a minute. You guys mean to tell me that we'll win more games by drafting an O-lineman in the first round instead of a QB? We can address our O-line in free-agency. Lineman are a dime a dozen, franchise QB's aren't. How many more franchise QB's do we have to pass before someone realizes that we can't win a Superbowl without a Superbowl QB. Here's list of available O-lineman in free-agency.


Jahri Evans, New Orleans Saints (26)
Jahri Evans is continuing to grade out as the team’s best run-blocking linemen week after week. The Saints have done a nice job of efficiently running the ball through the middle and on the right side of the line. His continual high level of play and positive, team-first attitude should translate to a high-end offensive guard contract at year’s end. Expect the Saints, who have nothing but positive things to say towards Evans, to richly reward him for his hard work and production.

Logan Mankins, New England Patriots (27)
Logan Mankins has been a very consistent player for the Patriots since he was drafted. That type of consistency is difficult to match, but with free agency inflating the value of offensive guards, the Patriots may end up letting him walk if the price isn’t right. They drafted a couple interior linemen last year and have to use some of their free money to re-sign other players. From what Mankins has said, he wants to stay on this winning franchise, but he could be one of the top players available next offseason.

Marcus McNeill, San Diego Chargers (25)
McNeill isn’t playing at an elite level this year, but is still an above average left tackle. He’s one of the “bigger” names at the left tackle position thanks to his spectacular, hyped rookie season. McNeill has also been undercompensated the last few years playing on his rookie contract as a 2nd round pick, which may incline him to ask for more money than he “deserves.” Any of the Chargers could feasibly be had this offseason and McNeill is no different, but with some of the offensive line woes of the Chargers, McNeill may be one of their top priorities. His long-term neck and back problems could be in the back of the team’s mind as well.

Daryn Colledge, Green Bay Packers (27)
Colledge is no longer viewed as the solution at left tackle in Green Bay. Mid-round TJ Lang has taken over the back-up position there. That alone is enough to make his value take a significant plunge. This will especially be overstated because of his poor performance in the team’s biggest game to date – Monday Night in Minnesota. Still, he’s an above average starting offensive guard and a great pass protector in the interior. Colledge’s value will most likely be highest to the Packers because he’s a great fit for what they do and they know his true value.

Jared Gaither, Baltimore Ravens (23) – Restricted FA
After being taken off the field on a stretcher in New England, Gaither luckily suffered no season or career threatening injury. His return to the field should come in the upcoming weeks. The Ravens have found their bookend tackles, with him and Oher on either side, and even if they can’t settle on a long-term deal with Gaither this offseason, they still have the ability to put a tender on him. At the very least, it would force teams to give up serious compensation for his services. Gaither’s length and athleticism make him an ideal fit at left tackle, but could possibly get him for less coin if they think Oher is capable of playing LT and pay Gaither on the right side.

Winston Justice, Philadelphia Eagles (24)
Justice is finally starting to live up to his expectations as a 2nd round selection. He’s played well in pass protection at right tackle replacing the oft-injured Shawn Andrews. The Eagles are in a tricky situation. Andrews has flashed so much potential and played well when on the field, but has struggled to give them enough snaps without getting injured. Should the team re-sign Justice, they could very well be putting Justice on the bench at the cost of a starter. They already have last year’s free agent acquisition, Stacy Andrews expensively riding the bench.

Kevin Mawae, Tennessee Titans (38)
Mawae has started all six games for the Titans this year, but with his contract expiring, the line may turn to Leroy Harris who will have been groomed for 3 years, sparingly seeing the field. If Mawae is up for another season, he could land on a number of teams, or just re-sign in Tennessee. He still has a little gas left in the tank and it the Titans pass on him, several teams will be lining up for him and accept the leadership he brings to the team.

Chad Clifton, Green Bay Packers (33)
Clifton has suffered a lingering ankle injury this season forcing the Packers to retreat to other options at left tackle. Even when on the field, Clifton hasn’t looked like half the player he was in his prime where he was one of the league’s best pass blockers. The years of injury and battle have worn on Clifton who has lost some of his discipline and been beaten on several occasions. If Clifton isn’t offered another contract in Green Bay, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the franchise’s great blind side protector call it quits.

Mike Gandy, Arizona Cardinals (30)
Gandy has struggled immensely and should definitely be upgraded this offseason. He doesn’t hold much value on the left side and may be asked to move to the right side for the rest of his career. If Arizona can’t find a better replacement, they could potentially try and get one more year out of him, but the Cardinals would be pushing their luck.
Eugene Amano, Tennessee Titans (27)
David Baas, San Francisco 49ers (27)
Khalif Barnes, Oakland Raiders (27)
Alex Barron, St. Louis Rams (26)
Mike Brisiel, Houston Texans (26)
Jeromey Clary, San Diego Chargers (25) – Restricted FA
Nick Cole, Philadelphia Eagles (25)
Willie Colon, Pittsburgh Steelers (26)
Ryan Cook, Minnesota Vikings (26)
Tyson Clabo, Atlanta Falcons (28)
Harvey Dahl, Atlanta Falcons (28)
Cornell Green, Oakland Raiders (33)
Rex Hadnot, Cleveland Browns (27)
Ben Hamilton, Denver Broncos (32)
Justin Hartwig, Pittsburgh Steelers (30)
Stephon Heyer, Washington Redskins (25) – Restricted FA
Richie Incognito, St. Louis Rams (26)
Jon Jansen, Washington Redskins (33)
Charlie Johnson, Indianapolis Colts (25)
Nick Kaczur, New England Patriots (30)
Chris Kuper, Denver Broncos (26)
Deuce Lutui, Arizona Cardinals (26)
Stephen Neal, New England Patriots (32)
Rudy Niswanger, Kansas City Chiefs (26)
Donald Penn, Tampa Bay Buccaneers (26)
Chester Pitts, Houston Texans (30)
Manuel Ramirez, Detroit Lions (26) – Restricted FA
Rob Sims, Seattle Seahawks (25)
Chris Spencer, Seattle Seahawks (27)
Jason Spitz, Green Bay Packers (26)
Adam Terry, Baltimore Ravens (27)
Jeremy Trueblood, Tampa Bay Buccaneers (26)
Bobbie Williams, Cincinnati Bengals (32)
Marshal Yanda, Baltimore Ravens (24)

2010 NFL Free Agents: OL
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there should def be a cba by feb if not the owners are more douchy than i previously thought, while a lot of guys are over paid, just think of how many get boned by the nfl and have blown out knees and no money and no help from the nfl, even like colt who had a minimum second year salary around 330k but now he is on ir he gets a fraction, absolutly nothing is garunteed in the nfl
I wouldn't count on a CBA by Feb. They have just begun to scratch the surface with prelimenary talks. The fact of the matter is that the owners are going to want a percentage of money back and the NFLPA is not going to be willing to give it up. 2010 is more than likely going to be an uncapped year. If they don't have an agreement before the start of the 2011 season then there is going to be a lockout (I can see it going that far). We probably wont see football again until right before the end of the world and we will never see a SB after 2010. JK

Seriously though, I would not be suprised to see the lockout in 2011 forcing the owners and NFLPA to pull their heads out of their collective asses. More realistically though, I expect a CBA at the stroke of midnight before the 2011 season CBA deadline. 2010 will be uncapped.
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I wouldn't count on a CBA by Feb. They have just begun to scratch the surface with prelimenary talks. The fact of the matter is that the owners are going to want a percentage of money back and the NFLPA is not going to be willing to give it up. 2010 is more than likely going to be an uncapped year. If they don't have an agreement before the start of the 2011 season then there is going to be a lockout (I can see it going that far). We probably wont see football again until right before the end of the world and we will never see a SB after 2010. JK

Seriously though, I would not be suprised to see the lockout in 2011 forcing the owners and NFLPA to pull their heads out of their collective asses. More realistically though, I expect a CBA at the stroke of midnight before the 2011 season CBA deadline. 2010 will be uncapped.
i don't think uncapped is the biggest issue i thinks it's unfloored, you could have special teams guys getting paid less than 5k a game, and the one good thing is i really don't see the owners wanting a lockout thats a lot of coin
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Everyone who thinks QB is the top choice needs a cat scan
Are you telling me the Colts would have been better off if they had selected Kyle Turley or Tra Thomas in 98? A quality QB can turn your franchise around more then an OL can. The Bengals are most likely still near the bottom of the NFL had they not picked Carson Palmer. By the same token I'll be the first to admit that the Texans and Lions would have been better off selecting McKinne instead of Carr and Harrington.

To me what would be unacceptable is not using our second round pick on a Tackle, or a Guard (assuming we pick up a few quality Tackles in free agency). Then after that brining in at least two more rookies, selected during the draft mind you, to compete in camp.

I think that the decision will be to select a QB or T in the first, I don't think a 2nd round QB has been successful in today's NFL with the exception of Drew Brees whos overall position would be that of a 1st round pick today (32nd overall) and Brett Farve (who was picked in the 2nd round 200 years ago) so I would rule out picking a QB in the 2nd. In fact recent history says you would be better off getting a QB in the 3rd or 4th round (Schuab, Orton, and Simms) as opposed to the second round (Kolb, Beck, Stanton, Clemons, T. Jackson, Brohm).

Look no one here is a bigger proponent of the O-Line then me, but we're going to need a QB to compete in this division. Don't get me wrong we need to bring in at least 4 Lineman capable of starting next year, but it still doesn't change the fact that we need to find a QB.

I will say this though, one of the biggest compliments towards the Allen/Gruden era in Tampa Bay was a willingingness to spend high draft picks for the sake of building a respectable O-Line so if all signs are pointing towards the owner bringing in those two then I'd be all for it, even if it means bringing in more QB's then Vinny does RB's.
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i don't think uncapped is the biggest issue i thinks it's unfloored, you could have special teams guys getting paid less than 5k a game, and the one good thing is i really don't see the owners wanting a lockout thats a lot of coin
The owners never WANT a lockout. But lockouts have happened before.

As far as the cap, the floor, and free agency are concerned, the issue is that without a cap players will be required to have an extra year of service before they will be unrestricted free agents. So whether it is a buyer's market or a seller's market, there just won't be as many players moving.
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Wait a minute. You guys mean to tell me that we'll win more games by drafting an O-lineman in the first round instead of a QB? We can address our O-line in free-agency. Lineman are a dime a dozen, franchise QB's aren't. How many more franchise QB's do we have to pass before someone realizes that we can't win a Superbowl without a Superbowl QB. Here's list of available O-lineman in free-agency.


Jahri Evans, New Orleans Saints (26)
Jahri Evans is continuing to grade out as the team’s best run-blocking linemen week after week. The Saints have done a nice job of efficiently running the ball through the middle and on the right side of the line. His continual high level of play and positive, team-first attitude should translate to a high-end offensive guard contract at year’s end. Expect the Saints, who have nothing but positive things to say towards Evans, to richly reward him for his hard work and production.

Logan Mankins, New England Patriots (27)
Logan Mankins has been a very consistent player for the Patriots since he was drafted. That type of consistency is difficult to match, but with free agency inflating the value of offensive guards, the Patriots may end up letting him walk if the price isn’t right. They drafted a couple interior linemen last year and have to use some of their free money to re-sign other players. From what Mankins has said, he wants to stay on this winning franchise, but he could be one of the top players available next offseason.
Man how nice would a line look with the following? Bold denotes returning starter.

LT - Marcus McNeil
LG - Derrick Dockery
C - Kevin Mawae
RG - Jhari Evans
RT - 2nd Round Pick or Winston Justice

Levi Jones, Edwin Williams, young Center Prospect, and Heyer as backups.

Virtually impossible I know, but a man can dream can't he? Now if there was only a way to get a CBA in place that had no salary cap but still allowed young guys like McNeil to hit the open market
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Plus we need multiple help on the o-line. Free agency, even if it happens, won't be enough to restock the cupboard.

I say OL first round, OL or QB second round, OL or QB 4th round (depending on the round 2 choice), RB 5th round.

Hopefully we intelligently will trade some folks and pick up extra draft picks.
I agree 100% with you Lotus. If we trade up we could draft a couple of quality offensive linemen. I think we could get a sleeper QB pick like Daryl Clark from Penn State on the second day.
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Wait a minute. You guys mean to tell me that we'll win more games by drafting an O-lineman in the first round instead of a QB? We can address our O-line in free-agency. Lineman are a dime a dozen, franchise QB's aren't. How many more franchise QB's do we have to pass before someone realizes that we can't win a Superbowl without a Superbowl QB. Here's list of available O-lineman in free-agency.


Jahri Evans, New Orleans Saints (26)
Jahri Evans is continuing to grade out as the team’s best run-blocking linemen week after week. The Saints have done a nice job of efficiently running the ball through the middle and on the right side of the line. His continual high level of play and positive, team-first attitude should translate to a high-end offensive guard contract at year’s end. Expect the Saints, who have nothing but positive things to say towards Evans, to richly reward him for his hard work and production.

Logan Mankins, New England Patriots (27)
Logan Mankins has been a very consistent player for the Patriots since he was drafted. That type of consistency is difficult to match, but with free agency inflating the value of offensive guards, the Patriots may end up letting him walk if the price isn’t right. They drafted a couple interior linemen last year and have to use some of their free money to re-sign other players. From what Mankins has said, he wants to stay on this winning franchise, but he could be one of the top players available next offseason.

Marcus McNeill, San Diego Chargers (25)
McNeill isn’t playing at an elite level this year, but is still an above average left tackle. He’s one of the “bigger” names at the left tackle position thanks to his spectacular, hyped rookie season. McNeill has also been undercompensated the last few years playing on his rookie contract as a 2nd round pick, which may incline him to ask for more money than he “deserves.” Any of the Chargers could feasibly be had this offseason and McNeill is no different, but with some of the offensive line woes of the Chargers, McNeill may be one of their top priorities. His long-term neck and back problems could be in the back of the team’s mind as well.

Daryn Colledge, Green Bay Packers (27)
Colledge is no longer viewed as the solution at left tackle in Green Bay. Mid-round TJ Lang has taken over the back-up position there. That alone is enough to make his value take a significant plunge. This will especially be overstated because of his poor performance in the team’s biggest game to date – Monday Night in Minnesota. Still, he’s an above average starting offensive guard and a great pass protector in the interior. Colledge’s value will most likely be highest to the Packers because he’s a great fit for what they do and they know his true value.

Jared Gaither, Baltimore Ravens (23) – Restricted FA
After being taken off the field on a stretcher in New England, Gaither luckily suffered no season or career threatening injury. His return to the field should come in the upcoming weeks. The Ravens have found their bookend tackles, with him and Oher on either side, and even if they can’t settle on a long-term deal with Gaither this offseason, they still have the ability to put a tender on him. At the very least, it would force teams to give up serious compensation for his services. Gaither’s length and athleticism make him an ideal fit at left tackle, but could possibly get him for less coin if they think Oher is capable of playing LT and pay Gaither on the right side.

Winston Justice, Philadelphia Eagles (24)
Justice is finally starting to live up to his expectations as a 2nd round selection. He’s played well in pass protection at right tackle replacing the oft-injured Shawn Andrews. The Eagles are in a tricky situation. Andrews has flashed so much potential and played well when on the field, but has struggled to give them enough snaps without getting injured. Should the team re-sign Justice, they could very well be putting Justice on the bench at the cost of a starter. They already have last year’s free agent acquisition, Stacy Andrews expensively riding the bench.

Kevin Mawae, Tennessee Titans (38)
Mawae has started all six games for the Titans this year, but with his contract expiring, the line may turn to Leroy Harris who will have been groomed for 3 years, sparingly seeing the field. If Mawae is up for another season, he could land on a number of teams, or just re-sign in Tennessee. He still has a little gas left in the tank and it the Titans pass on him, several teams will be lining up for him and accept the leadership he brings to the team.

Chad Clifton, Green Bay Packers (33)
Clifton has suffered a lingering ankle injury this season forcing the Packers to retreat to other options at left tackle. Even when on the field, Clifton hasn’t looked like half the player he was in his prime where he was one of the league’s best pass blockers. The years of injury and battle have worn on Clifton who has lost some of his discipline and been beaten on several occasions. If Clifton isn’t offered another contract in Green Bay, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the franchise’s great blind side protector call it quits.

Mike Gandy, Arizona Cardinals (30)
Gandy has struggled immensely and should definitely be upgraded this offseason. He doesn’t hold much value on the left side and may be asked to move to the right side for the rest of his career. If Arizona can’t find a better replacement, they could potentially try and get one more year out of him, but the Cardinals would be pushing their luck.

2010 NFL Free Agents: OL
We need some youth on the offensive line. I never liked trying to build the team through FA because you either pay too much or you get medicore talent.
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I agree 100% with you Lotus. If we trade up we could draft a couple of quality offensive linemen. I think we could get a sleeper QB pick like Daryl Clark from Penn State on the second day.
I think you meant trade down. Please please no Daryl Clark. I know he's look decent against Eastern Illinois, Temple, Syracuse, and the rest of the tough Big-10 teams.(sarcasm)
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I think you meant trade down. Please please no Daryl Clark. I know he's look decent against Eastern Illinois, Temple, Syracuse, and the rest of the tough Big-10 teams.(sarcasm)
Thanks, I meant to say down. Remember Tom Brady, Drew Brees and Kyle Orton all came from the Big Ten and they're doing ok. I was just saying he could be worth taking a look at in rounds 6 or 7.
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