Our 2010 First Round Draft Pick Should Be...

GTripp0012 · 11-01-2009, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Bill Parcells passed on Matt Ryan, and I would defend that decision. He realized that if he didn't address the O-line in a big way, it didn't matter who his QB would be. Drafting Jake Long was the right move, and the Dolphins will be relevant before we will, because Parcells teams don't get whipped in the trenches the way we do (especially on offense). He went from 1-15 to 11-5 with weak armed Pennington at QB for crying out loud!!!

Parcells has also made it count by establishing the OL as a great unit, and then putting the infrastructure in place to take a rushing game, and turn it into something you have to spend extra hours scheming for.

Ryan also was not necessarily a better prospect than Henne coming out, and would have been a significant risk for the Dolphins. It now looks like Ryan was the better player, like a lot of people thought he was, but I can support Parcells' decision to pass.

Who is the Ryan of this draft though? Unless one player in specific can be identified, you have to pass on QB in the first round.

SmootSmack · 11-01-2009, 01:37 PM

Assuming it will be an uncapped year (which may or may not happen at this point), it will be interesting to see what tender if any we offer Rogers, Campbell, and McIntosh. My guess is we try to keep Rocky, probably rather willingly let Campbell go, and tender Rogers in such a way that we basically say he's available but will cost you

Skinny Tee · 11-01-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Bill Parcells passed on Matt Ryan, and I would defend that decision. He realized that if he didn't address the O-line in a big way, it didn't matter who his QB would be. Drafting Jake Long was the right move, and the Dolphins will be relevant before we will, because Parcells teams don't get whipped in the trenches the way we do (especially on offense). He went from 1-15 to 11-5 with weak armed Pennington at QB for crying out loud!!!

I personally thought that was the conclusion the common fan was finally going to come to. It seems like some fans still want a QB or RB even though their efforts would be futile with no stand out OL.

I don't know how people can't come to that conclusion. The longer our line is not accounted for with elite young talent, the longer it will be until we have a competitive team.

GTripp0012 · 11-01-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

For a year? Sure. And then maybe someone like a Blake DeChristopher or Jariel Carimi in 2011...as opposed to say Terrell Pryor

Well, I guess I'm asking, do you think he'd be better or worse than the fighting-through-injuries/limited mobility version of Chris Samuels?

SmootSmack · 11-01-2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

I personally thought that was the conclusion the common fan was finally going to come to. It seems like some fans still want a QB or RB even though their efforts would be futile with no stand out OL.

I don't know how people can't come to that conclusion. The longer our line is not accounted for with elite young talent, the longer it will be until we have a competitive team.

Who do you think has the best offensive line in the league?

Larry Michael is Satan · 11-01-2009, 01:52 PM

Jimmy Claussen or Jake Locker. I've been screaming about the O-Line as long as everybody, but we'll absolutely take a QB in the draft, especially if our pick is top 5. Most likely no QB's on our current roster will be here next year. I'd love to trade back and take multiple lineman, also Spikes will be a pro-bowler forever, God, we need like ten first round picks!

SmootSmack · 11-01-2009, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, I guess I'm asking, do you think he'd be better or worse than the fighting-through-injuries/limited mobility version of Chris Samuels?

I think Samuels should retire, too much of a risk if he continues playing. I mean I know it could be said of just about any player, but he really is one bad hit away from permanent paralysis. Not worth it. I know it can't be easy for him to suddenly call it quits like this, but in the long run it's best for him

rbanerjee23 · 11-01-2009, 01:54 PM

...traded away for more picks, look guys JC isn't great but he isn't the number one problem. Sticking a young, inexperienced college qb behind the shitty OL won't make a lick of difference but will be akin to throwing away millions of dollars, you really want to make the same mistake as the 49ers with Alex Smith or Raiders with Jamarcus Russell?

Trade the pick for some second and third round picks and build some depth on the offensive line. That is the right move.

GTripp0012 · 11-01-2009, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Who do you think has the best offensive line in the league?

It's the Jets, I think

If not them, then I think it's either New Orleans, Tennessee, Miami, Baltimore, or Denver.

SmootSmack · 11-01-2009, 01:56 PM

I should have started this thread with the caveat "Assume we are not trading our first round pick..."

GTripp0012 · 11-01-2009, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I should have started this thread with the caveat "Assume we are not trading our first round pick..."

You'll learn :tongue

rbanerjee23 · 11-01-2009, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I should have started this thread with the caveat "Assume we are not trading our first round pick..."

whoops, my bad,

if we are not going to trade away the pick, I say we invest it in the best OT on the board, left or right.

ps, don't you guys feel Joe Bugel needs to be fired, I mean I understand we are not giving him grade A talent but Heyer has regressed, Dockery is not nearly as good a band-aid that we though he would be .... all that has to point to the coaching.

GTripp0012 · 11-01-2009, 02:02 PM

Lost in translation because they have an awful team: The Rams OL might be the most improved unit in the league this year.

SmootSmack · 11-01-2009, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

It's the Jets, I think

If not them, then I think it's either New Orleans, Tennessee, Miami, Baltimore, or Denver.

Ok, so I think the Jets have four 1st rounders on their starting OL (two drafted by the Jets, two others who had been in the league for a while before joining the Skins...kind of like Levi and Big Mike I suppose)

Saints have mostly 4th and 5th rounders

Titans start two 7th rounders

But anyway, my point (which I'm sure I'd get to eventually) is that a bunch of high draft picks does not make a good offensive line. A top level QB with a bunch of free agent and late round linemen is better than a scrub QB with a bunch of top level linemen. See Matt Ryan

I don't think I, or anyone else calling for a QB in the first round, is saying ignore the line. Just that we can address the line with later picks

WaldSkins · 11-01-2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Ok, so I think the Jets have four 1st rounders on their starting OL (two drafted by the Jets, two others who had been in the league for a while before joining the Skins...kind of like Levi and Big Mike I suppose)

Saints have mostly 4th and 5th rounders

Titans start two 7th rounders

But anyway, my point (which I'm sure I'd get to eventually) is that a bunch of high draft picks does not make a good offensive line. A top level QB with a bunch of free agent and late round linemen is better than a scrub QB with a bunch of top level linemen. See Matt Ryan

I don't think I, or anyone else calling for a QB in the first round, is saying ignore the line. Just that we can address the line with later picks

I'd like to take the picks that over the last few drafts that we have spent on LBs(4th,5th, and 6th rounder) and use them on offensive lineman.

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11-01-2009, 01:37 PM	#32
SmootSmack The Bluths Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,105	Re: Our 2010 First Round Draft Pick Should Be... Assuming it will be an uncapped year (which may or may not happen at this point), it will be interesting to see what tender if any we offer Rogers, Campbell, and McIntosh. My guess is we try to keep Rocky, probably rather willingly let Campbell go, and tender Rogers in such a way that we basically say he's available but will cost you __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

11-01-2009, 01:52 PM	#36
Larry Michael is Satan Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 123	Re: Our 2010 First Round Draft Pick Should Be... Jimmy Claussen or Jake Locker. I've been screaming about the O-Line as long as everybody, but we'll absolutely take a QB in the draft, especially if our pick is top 5. Most likely no QB's on our current roster will be here next year. I'd love to trade back and take multiple lineman, also Spikes will be a pro-bowler forever, God, we need like ten first round picks!

11-01-2009, 01:54 PM	#38
rbanerjee23 The Starter Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,320	Re: Our 2010 First Round Draft Pick Should Be... ...traded away for more picks, look guys JC isn't great but he isn't the number one problem. Sticking a young, inexperienced college qb behind the shitty OL won't make a lick of difference but will be akin to throwing away millions of dollars, you really want to make the same mistake as the 49ers with Alex Smith or Raiders with Jamarcus Russell? Trade the pick for some second and third round picks and build some depth on the offensive line. That is the right move. __________________ "Tough times don't last but tough people do" -Mike Shanahan HTTR

11-01-2009, 01:56 PM	#40
SmootSmack The Bluths Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,105	Re: Our 2010 First Round Draft Pick Should Be... I should have started this thread with the caveat "Assume we are not trading our first round pick..." __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

11-01-2009, 02:02 PM	#43
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Age: 25 Posts: 15,143	Re: Our 2010 First Round Draft Pick Should Be... Lost in translation because they have an awful team: The Rams OL might be the most improved unit in the league this year. __________________ Shanahan: “The bad thing is he's [Sav Rocca] probably our best offensive weapon and that’s not good.”

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