79 Mock Drafts: Sam Bradford still Redskins projected choice

Monkeydad · 01-21-2010, 06:07 PM

This is a *one-star thread if I ever saw one!

Lotus · 01-21-2010, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

And then the obvious disclaimer: even if you don't believe that Jason Campbell has much of a future in Washington, there are still 9 (8, if both TEs are counted) positions on the offense where we are receiving less per-play production than quarterback. And of the 8, only Antwaan Randle El is really even providing close to the level of expected production, and I don't believe he's all that irreplaceable in the greater sense. [The stats don't say "Randle El shouldn't be cut" but they do say that "everyone else that isn't Randle El probably should be"]

Not all of those positions can be addressed in one draft, and not all those positions would be practical targets with the 4th overall pick. The point is: that's a whole lot of non-quarterback related suck, and to say that there's no one we can find at No. 4 overall except Okung that would fix the problem seems like kind of a defeatist attitude. There's got to be a WR, RB, or OL not named Russell Okung who is worthy of the 4th overall pick. I would think.

How can you say that? There is nothing wrong with our roster, which is playoff-ready right now. Vinny said so.

DIE-NASTY · 01-21-2010, 08:38 PM

Mock drafts are only useful in fantasy football otherwise it's all speculation. How can any of these so-call "experts" say with any degree of certainty that we'll draft a QB with the no. 4 pick (these were the same idiots that said we were going to pick Sanchez last year) when Shannahan probably doesn't even know who they'll pick? He's not even fully staffed yet and I'd imagine they'll do their due diligence and evaluate our roster and then see what's available through FA.

LandrySlice · 01-22-2010, 01:00 AM

I finally saw a mock draft that didint have us taking Okung or a QB, it had us taking the Trent Williams instead, but I thought I had read he wouldn't fit the Shanahan typical O LINE style

Texanskin · 01-22-2010, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Similar to what people said in Atlanta when the Falcons chose Ryan over Glen Dorsey. Ryan missed virtually 3 games this year and the thanks to him the Falcons were still able to finish 9-7 inlcuding a 3 game win streak to close out the year. If they had Ryan for 16 games they would easily have made the playoffs.

If you find a QB that you know can be a star you draft him. Vinny didn't take lineman period (save Rinehart) and that was our problem. Not hesitating to draft two guys at positions like LB, WR, S, and CB yet never willing to draft more then one O-Lineman. Give the front office the beniefit of the doubt, we don't need to select an O-Lineman with the first pick to fix our O-Line.

Also remember this. The Chiefs did the "smart" thing in 2008. Drafting a D-Lineman (Dorsey) and a LT in Albert, yet they have won 6 games in the last two years (with ironically one of those victories coming against us). The Falcons have won 20 games since drafting Ryan. Again the point being if you see a QB that you know you can develop into a franchise guy you take him.

comparing our obvious O line needs to a team that drafted glen dorsey is apple and oranges....this entire year we SAW what the need is for our team. Tony romo (who is elusive) was killed without line protection!!! If our O line was like the jets or ravens I'm ok with QB pick...matt ryan had a GOOD LINE. Any rookie behind a bad line = david carr, alex smith...name a rookie who blossumed behind a poor line...NONE

TheMalcolmConnection · 01-22-2010, 07:40 AM

Only Aaron Rogers comes to mind...

RedskinMike · 01-22-2010, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Only Aaron Rogers comes to mind...

Rogers also sat a few years before being handed the reins so he was not really a rookie.

Dirtbag59 · 01-22-2010, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Texanskin

comparing our obvious O line needs to a team that drafted glen dorsey is apple and oranges....this entire year we SAW what the need is for our team. Tony romo (who is elusive) was killed without line protection!!! If our O line was like the jets or ravens I'm ok with QB pick...matt ryan had a GOOD LINE. Any rookie behind a bad line = david carr, alex smith...name a rookie who blossumed behind a poor line...NONE

Thats the thing though going into 2008 the Falcons line was in worse shape then the Skins were this year. In 2008 their starters were coming off a year were they had given up edit: 47 sacks (the skins gave up 46 in 2009). The only real new addition was Sam Baker who missed a lot of time due to injury (8 games played 5 starts).

Now I'm not saying we just go into next year with the same starters . Far from it, but what I do want is to draft a QB with the 4th pick if the front office thinks that Clausen or Bradford can be a star. The right QB can make all the difference and in reality gives us the best chance to compete for a championship on a regular basis. Now if they think that neither of those guys can be a star then please, by all means, draft Okung or Davis. You won't hear me complaining at all.

However my point being that there have many times when fans for other franchises have called for the safe picks over the QB's. Sometimes they were right (asking the Raiders to draft Calvin Johnson over JaMarcus Russell) and other times they were wrong (asking the Falcons to draft Glen Dorsey over Matt Ryan). For the first time in a long time, I'm truly comfortable with letting the football people make the decisions.

Anyway heres a scouting report on the Falcons O-Line going into 2008:
2008 Offensive Line Breakdowns: The Bunk -- NFL FanHouse
The Atlanta Falcons: Welcome to hell on earth Matt Ryan. Ever wonder why Joey Harrington's career never got a fair shake? Everywhere he went, he had no time to throw. And Matt Ryan, you are about to find out exactly how it feels. Right tackle Todd Weiner underwent major knee surgery and will likely not play. First-rounder, Sam Baker will start at left tackle, but unless he can block five guys simultaneously, stick a fork in this offense. Center Todd McClure and right guard Kynan Forney are veterans, but the rest of the line is totally up in the air and very inexperienced.
2007 Sacks Allowed: 47

2007 Yards Per Carry: 3.9
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Again they went into that season with virtually the same O-Line they had in 2007. Sam Baker was the only real addition. It's also worth noting that in 2008 the line gave up only 17 sacks.

53Fan · 01-22-2010, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by LandrySlice

I finally saw a mock draft that didint have us taking Okung or a QB, it had us taking the Trent Williams instead, but I thought I had read he wouldn't fit the Shanahan typical O LINE style

I've found it interesting that there is actually some question whether TW can even play LT in the NFL. I've read that he will go back to RT where he will have a good career. Some reports are pretty adamant about it. #4 would be pretty high for TW IMO.

53Fan · 01-22-2010, 12:57 PM

If we don't trade down, I wouldn't mind seeing something like this depending on availability:

#1 Russell Okung LT
#2a Trent Williams LT/RT (If available)
#2b Michael Johnson OG (Should fit in well in zone blocking)
#4a Dan LeFevour QB (If available) or..
#4b Ryan Mathews RB
#5 #7 Best available (Hopefully a C, FS or OLB)

Redskin Warrior · 01-22-2010, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 53Fan

If we don't trade down, I wouldn't mind seeing something like this depending on availability:

#1 Russell Okung LT
#2a Trent Williams LT/RT (If available)
#2b Michael Johnson OG (Should fit in well in zone blocking)
#4a Dan LeFevour QB (If available) or..
#4b Ryan Mathews RB
#5 #7 Best available (Hopefully a C, FS or OLB)

I like this only thing I don't believe that Mathews will be there beyond the third round.

JLee9718 · 01-22-2010, 05:59 PM

I gave Zorn the benefit of the doubt and it didn't get the Redskins squat.

Dirtbag59 · 01-22-2010, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JLee9718

I gave Zorn the benefit of the doubt and it didn't get the Redskins squat.

That was Zorn working with Vinny Cerrato. If anyone can succeed in that situation then I would sure like to see it.

Lotus · 01-22-2010, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JLee9718

I gave Zorn the benefit of the doubt and it didn't get the Redskins squat.

I'm willing, for now, to give the new regime a pass when it comes to offense. I'm less willing to give passes when it comes to defense.

KLHJ2 · 01-22-2010, 06:35 PM

All I know is that if the Skins cannot put up a decent fight next year I will be pissed.

01-21-2010, 06:07 PM	#16
Monkeydad Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PA Age: 33 Posts: 14,884	Re: 79 Mock Drafts: Sam Bradford still Redskins projected choice This is a *one-star thread if I ever saw one! __________________ Not sent from a Droid, iPhone, Blackberry or toaster

01-21-2010, 08:38 PM	#18
DIE-NASTY Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: OCEAN PINES, MD Posts: 121	Re: 79 Mock Drafts: Sam Bradford still Redskins projected choice Mock drafts are only useful in fantasy football otherwise it's all speculation. How can any of these so-call "experts" say with any degree of certainty that we'll draft a QB with the no. 4 pick (these were the same idiots that said we were going to pick Sanchez last year) when Shannahan probably doesn't even know who they'll pick? He's not even fully staffed yet and I'd imagine they'll do their due diligence and evaluate our roster and then see what's available through FA.

01-22-2010, 01:00 AM	#19
LandrySlice Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: AFGHANISTAN Posts: 334	Re: 79 Mock Drafts: Sam Bradford still Redskins projected choice I finally saw a mock draft that didint have us taking Okung or a QB, it had us taking the Trent Williams instead, but I thought I had read he wouldn't fit the Shanahan typical O LINE style __________________ Don't tase me bro!!!!

01-22-2010, 07:40 AM	#21
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 31 Posts: 17,119	Re: 79 Mock Drafts: Sam Bradford still Redskins projected choice Only Aaron Rogers comes to mind... __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

01-22-2010, 12:57 PM	#25
53Fan Pro Bowl Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kill Devil Hills, N.C. Posts: 7,354	Re: 79 Mock Drafts: Sam Bradford still Redskins projected choice If we don't trade down, I wouldn't mind seeing something like this depending on availability: #1 Russell Okung LT #2a Trent Williams LT/RT (If available) #2b Michael Johnson OG (Should fit in well in zone blocking) #4a Dan LeFevour QB (If available) or.. #4b Ryan Mathews RB #5 #7 Best available (Hopefully a C, FS or OLB) __________________ "Cautiously And Optimistically... Looking Forward To Change"

01-22-2010, 05:59 PM	#27
JLee9718 Impact Rookie Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 559	Re: 79 Mock Drafts: Sam Bradford still Redskins projected choice I gave Zorn the benefit of the doubt and it didn't get the Redskins squat.

01-22-2010, 06:35 PM	#30
KLHJ2 Pro Bowl Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: DC Metro Area Age: 34 Posts: 5,823	Re: 79 Mock Drafts: Sam Bradford still Redskins projected choice All I know is that if the Skins cannot put up a decent fight next year I will be pissed. __________________ Read "The Book", life will gain meaning.

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