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Old 02-13-2010, 02:54 PM   #31
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McCoy also has four years of starting experience under his belt at a very prestigious program. Thats rare and usually serves as a plus for any QB entering the NFL.
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Ok, seriously, whats the deal with this? Bradford put up great numbers in a pro style offense as well. Heck with his numbers that year he still would have been a top 10 pick easily. I mean are they concerned that the spread offense has made him rusty or what?
imo the problem with taking a spread offense-shotgun qb is that there field of vision is different. in the shotgun, the ball is hiked and the qb has the ball looking down field before the d lineman really get out of there stance.

under center, the qb has to use his footwork to quickly drop back 3 to 7 steps before really getting a look at the field. and the time the qb takes to step back then plant gives the D more time to close in.

that shotgun offense can work in college but not in the nfl where you cant limit your running game to that degree. everytime bradford was under center, it was to play action or run the ball (atleast the 100 plus snaps ive seen him take). you just cant limit your ability to keep the opposing D off balance in trying to figure out if you are gonna run or pass by going shotgun offense.

i dont have a problem with bradford, claussen, okung, suh, trading back etc . . . but there is a good reason why one of the knocks on bradford is that he ran a spread shotgun offense with a great O line.

just watching claussen v bradford (yeah i know highlight reels, etc) you can see claussen dealing with plays at ND that he will see in the NFL. under center, using his footwork to drop back while surveying the field, planting his feet, guys closing in on him, having to make quick decisions and tight throws.

with bradford, its hard for me to get a feel for him since hes always in shotgun, gets to survey the field with no pressure right at the snap, after the ball is snapped his great o line gives him alot of room, he doesnt have to worry about pressure, then he throws an accurate pass to a wide open guy. im exagerating alil, im sure bradford dis get sacked and pressured at times but not like claussen imo. claussen had to deal with a crappy ND team with his o line nowehere near bradfords and he had to do it under center, maintiaing his footwork dropping back while surveyring the field.

also, i keep hearing claussen made his own reads of the D where bradford had all the mental aspects of reading a D called into him from the sideline.

just seems claussen has already seen and dealt with what he will see in the nfl week in week out. whereas bradford is going to learn quickly that playing qb at ok was cupcake compared to the nfl.

this isnt to say bradford wont learn quickly or wont be the better nfl qb. i know scouts have said bradford played in a pro style offense in '07 but all the videos i watched from that year show alot of shotgun with some under center passes mixed in there.



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with bradford, its hard for me to get a feel for him since hes always in shotgun, gets to survey the field with no pressure right at the snap, after the ball is snapped his great o line gives him alot of room, he doesnt have to worry about pressure, then he throws an accurate pass to a wide open guy. im exagerating alil, im sure bradford dis get sacked and pressured at times but not like claussen imo. claussen had to deal with a crappy ND team with his o line nowehere near bradfords and he had to do it under center, maintiaing his footwork dropping back while surveyring the field.
Here you go. Footage of Bradford under center.
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SS, I've said before that if Bradford falls to #4, we may have some suitors to trade down and get more picks. Do you think the same may happen if Bradford is gone and Clausen is there at #4?
Yes ....he is maybe better than Bradford if anything. both are comparable I think the difference is Bradford more leadership and maturity and accuracy vs Clausen better mobility, quicker throw on and in the throw, great fade throws, HUGE STUDYING RAT.


Both are worth a 4th round pick. Okung is an overrated OT and I wouldn't pick him if my life depend on it, he gets killed against big bull rushing DE's.

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shoot, i already watched that clip buddy. i saw a FEW passes from under center by bradford in that video of the miami game.

i dont include handoffs and playactions under center as passing from under center.

after you posted that vid, i went and tried to find other videos of him from '07 with very limited success. seems the only vids i could find are just one game highlights (like this one) were you have to watch a whole lot of plays and bradford throwing the ball is roughly 1 play out of 10 i gotta watch.

i would love to see or find some better footage from bradford in '07, i stopped looking but maybe you know some better sources than youtube. if so, i would love to take a look.

dirt - do you agree, disagree or in some way agree with my take on why a shotgun qb in college makes it harder to evaluate and predict how that qb will play in the nfl?
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Yes ....he is maybe better than Bradford if anything. both are comparable I think the difference is Bradford more leadership and maturity and accuracy vs Clausen better mobility, quicker throw on and in the throw, great fade throws, HUGE STUDYING RAT.


Both are worth a 4th round pick. Okung is an overrated OT and I wouldn't pick him if my life depend on it, he gets killed against big bull rushing DE's.

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If anything Okung is becoming underrated at this point. The only overrated tackle that I see right now is Anthony Davis. As soon as I here that a guy is given a first round grade and it's based mainly on upside rather then production I see a HUGE red flag. Upside is why the Bills select Aaron Maybin instead of Brian Orakpo.

Upside is why Heyward-Bey gets selected ahead of Crabtree and why some team is going to be very disapointed when they select Jason Piere-Paul (DE USF) with his whooping 6 sacks but amazing edge speed.

If you can't produce at the collegiate level then you shouldn't be considered a first round pick thanks to measureables. Save the non-productive superfreaks for round 3 and beyond.

By the way pet peeve of mine but it's a 4th overall pick not a 4th round pick. Otherwise the NFL draft would be 256 rounds.
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dirt - do you agree, disagree or in some way agree with my take on why a shotgun qb in college makes it harder to evaluate and predict how that qb will play in the nfl?
Not at all. I mean in the end they're same set up and pass but the difference in mechanics and history proves that it can be a detriment, and I would be much more worried about Bradford if he didn't have that under center experience but fortunately he does.

Still I mean Joe Flacco proved that shotgun QB's can be effective in the NFL against all odds, especially considering he played against FCS competition.
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If anything Okung is becoming underrated at this point. The only overrated tackle that I see right now is Anthony Davis. As soon as I here that a guy is given a first round grade and it's based mainly on upside rather then production I see a HUGE red flag. Upside is why the Bills select Aaron Maybin instead of Brian Orakpo.

Upside is why Heyward-Bey gets selected ahead of Crabtree and why some team is going to be very disapointed when they select Jason Piere-Paul (DE USF) with his whooping 6 sacks but amazing edge speed.

If you can't produce at the collegiate level then you shouldn't be considered a first round pick thanks to measureables. Save the non-productive superfreaks for round 3 and beyond.

By the way pet peeve of mine but it's a 4th overall pick not a 4th round pick. Otherwise the NFL draft would be 256 rounds.
Okung would have never been taken or thought of this high in last years draft. Only reason why skins fans wan't Okung is to basically keep jason Candle and hope that it relives the 80's again. Thats not the case.

Okung isn't that good at all and he's been hyped up since our season was about to finish. Neither less we will draft Bradford or Clausen so I wouldn't worry about the OL. Im sure will find a way to build it.
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Okung would have never been taken or thought of this high in last years draft. Only reason why skins fans wan't Okung is to basically keep jason Candle and hope that it relives the 80's again. Thats not the case.

Okung isn't that good at all and he's been hyped up since our season was about to finish. Neither less we will draft Bradford or Clausen so I wouldn't worry about the OL. Im sure will find a way to build it.
Keep in mind I definetely want to draft either Clausen or Bradford this year. Especially since next year is limited to the semi-productive genetic freaks in Mallet, Locker, and Prior, none of whom completed 60% of their passes this year which isn't exactly great for a coach that says he wants an acucrate QB.

Besides even if they do improve we're going to have to trade up to get them and personally I see none of them being better then Clausen or Bradford.

With all that said Okung is flat out dominant. If you don't believe me see for yourself. He's easily the most complete tackle prospect I've seen in a long time, maybe Jake Long was a little better but not by much.

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Keep in mind I definetely want to draft either Clausen or Bradford this year. Especially since next year is limited to the semi-productive genetic freaks in Mallet, Locker, and Prior, none of whom completed 60% of their passes this year which isn't exactly great for a coach that says he wants an acucrate QB.

Besides even if they do improve we're going to have to trade up to get them and personally I see none of them being better then Clausen or Bradford.

With all that said Okung is flat out dominant. If you don't believe me see for yourself. He's easily the most complete tackle prospect I've seen in a long time, maybe Jake Long was a little better but not by much.

I agree with your QB statement . But the thing about Okung is the reports said put him up against good big rushing DE's he'l get dominated. But the combine isn't to far away so will see.
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I agree with your QB statement . But the thing about Okung is the reports said put him up against good big rushing DE's he'l get dominated. But the combine isn't to far away so will see.
What reports? I've seen quite a few and haven't seen anything that even remotely hinted at that.
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I agree with your QB statement . But the thing about Okung is the reports said put him up against good big rushing DE's he'l get dominated. But the combine isn't to far away so will see.
I second that question, where have you seen this? Links please?
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Clausen won't be participating in the combine (not throwing at least) so this will be a good chance for Bradford to pull ahead in the minds of execs
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I second that question, where have you seen this? Links please?
This was the closest I could find

Seahawks Draft Blog: Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State

But I would add, as I believe I have mentioned here, that many scouts believe Okung lacks a certain "aggressive" quality-particularly when it comes to run blocking.
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Clausen won't be participating in the combine (not throwing at least) so this will be a good chance for Bradford to pull ahead in the minds of execs
So does that mean that Bradford is throwing at the combine?
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