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Old 02-14-2010, 12:06 AM   #16
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Re: Malcolm Kelly gives his thoughts on Sam Bradford

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Before we bury Jason Campbell, I for one hope that Allen/Shanahan upgrade the O-line and give Campbell a fighting chance to succeed.
He sucks even with an OL.


He had great protection on that one play against the Giants and he ended up fumbling it for a TD . Hes 2nd worst than Heath Shaluer as our QB of all time, even Ramsey had the dignity to try and give us a comeback win .
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He sucks even with an OL.


He had great protection on that one play against the Giants and he ended up fumbling it for a TD . Hes 2nd worst than Heath Shaluer as our QB of all time, even Ramsey had the dignity to try and give us a comeback win .
And you base your opinion on one play against the Giants? It is beyond debate that our O-line was one of the 3 worst in the league after Samuels and Thomas went down early. It doesn't matter who you put in at QB when he's getting hit every other play. Tom Brady would have sucked behind our O-line this past season.
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Old 02-14-2010, 12:32 AM   #18
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^agreed, I think you could give jason the cowboys or giants OL and he'd still suck. The problem with JC is that he sticks with one receiver and is afraid to throw to his second option. He stares down his receiver too much and doesn't have a good pocket presence as to when to get the ball out. A lot of people here are saying that we should give jason a one year chance this year to prove himself...Umm, Hello, he has had 5 years to prove himself, and he's had to change offenses a lot and relearn them, so why would another new offense be the trick to him being worthy of keeping?? Just go ahead and draft Bradford, keep campbell as a backup, not starter.
Campbell is often hit before he can even look at his 2nd option. It's no wonder that he often had to throw from 3 step drops all year. A 7 step drop was almost a guaranteed sack, and a 5 step drop wasn't much better. Until the FO gets serious about building a great O-line, we will continue to underachieve.
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And you base your opinion on one play against the Giants? It is beyond debate that our O-line was one of the 3 worst in the league after Samuels and Thomas went down early. It doesn't matter who you put in at QB when he's getting hit every other play. Tom Brady would have sucked behind our O-line this past season.
Come on seriously? Campbell and Brady do not belong in the same sentence. Remember that we traded a first, third, and fourth round picks to move up and select JC. You think JC justifies three wasted picks?
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Come on seriously? Campbell and Brady do not belong in the same sentence. Remember that we traded a first, third, and fourth round picks to move up and select JC. You think JC justifies three wasted picks?
Read my post again. I didn't mention Campbell and Brady in the same sentence. I'll stand by my statement that Brady would have sucked behind this O-line though. Show me any QB who takes a pummelling game-in, game-out who demonstrates consistent success. Even Brady looked shaky in his last two playoff games when his O-line broke down badly against the Giants in the Superbowl and against the Ravens this post-season. He was a veritable turnover machine in the latter.
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Read my post again. I didn't mention Campbell and Brady in the same sentence. I'll stand by my statement that Brady would have sucked behind this O-line though. Show me any QB who takes a pummelling game-in, game-out who demonstrates consistent success. Even Brady looked shaky in his last two playoff games when his O-line broke down badly against the Giants in the Superbowl and against the Ravens this post-season. He was a veritable turnover machine in the latter.
Aaron Rodgers and Ben Rothensberger. Boom!
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^agreed, I think you could give jason the cowboys or giants OL and he'd still suck. The problem with JC is that he sticks with one receiver and is afraid to throw to his second option. He stares down his receiver too much and doesn't have a good pocket presence as to when to get the ball out. A lot of people here are saying that we should give jason a one year chance this year to prove himself...Umm, Hello, he has had 5 years to prove himself, and he's had to change offenses a lot and relearn them, so why would another new offense be the trick to him being worthy of keeping?? Just go ahead and draft Bradford, keep campbell as a backup, not starter.
I don't think this is about giving Campbell a chance, but more about using our resources to rebuild THE worst/oldest/most depleted unit in our team. We have an opportunity to acquire the top tackle in this draft (Okung), a player that can anchor our line for years to come.

I still don't understand this obsession with drafting a QB when we have an offensive line the couldn't block a high school defensive line. Somebody mentioned to me that we shouldn't draft a tackle at #4 just to say we drafted a tackle. Well, I believe fans have obsessed so much on hating/blaming Campbell, that they just want to draft another QB to just get rid of Campbell.
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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;663065]I don't think this is about giving Campbell a chance, but more about using our resources to rebuild THE worst/oldest/most depleted unit in our team. We have an opportunity to acquire the top tackle in this draft (Okung), a player that can anchor our line for years to come.

I still don't understand this obsession with drafting a QB when we have an offensive line the couldn't block a high school defensive line. Somebody mentioned to me that we shouldn't draft a tackle at #4 just to say we drafted a tackle. Well, I believe fans have obsessed so much on hating/blaming Campbell, that they just want to draft another QB to just get rid of Campbell.[/QUOTE]

I agree Ruh. Some people are really high on the top 2 QB's in the draft and I can understand that. Some people don't seem to care who we get as long as JC goes. The o-line is the worse part of our team. Why shouldn't we use the first pick to help fix it? Because there's a chance we get a franchise QB? C'mon, we've been putting this off long enough. Hell we haven't used a first round pick on a LT in 10 years. I'd say Chris Samuels turned out pretty good. Draft Okung and we shouldn't have to use a first round pick on a LT for another 10 years. We need a LT and the chances of getting a great one that high in the draft are far greater than getting a franchise QB, especially when he comes out early. That's a fact.
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Re: Malcolm Kelly gives his thoughts on Sam Bradford

Felt this was an interesting tidbit on Bradford:
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Kent Bradford said his son was experiencing some soreness, but was otherwise resting comfortably in Alabama after a 35-minute surgery. The quarterback, who had sprained the AC joint in his shoulder, was expected to return to Oklahoma within the next day or two.
35 minute surgery to fix a sprain. Not a 360 degree tear like Drew Brees but a third degree sprain. Hopefully this will help everyone who's unsure about Bradford due to injury. I actually think it took longer to get my wisdom teeth taken out.
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Old 02-14-2010, 03:33 PM   #25
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Look, the other thing about Bradford which people are high about, is that last year according to Michael Lombardi on Inside the NFL, he said that several NFL sources had told him that Sam Bradford had one of the highest QB grades from the NFL Scouting department (the one that tells players where they would be projected/drafted should they enter for the draft), since Peyton Manning came out in 1998. According to Lombardi, Bradford graded out as a 98. He said that if Bradford had come out in last years draft he would have been the first QB taken. So, they're saying that he's better than Stafford And Sanchez. If you ask me, I think that if we can get a QB which some say is better than Sanchez for his rookie year, I'd take him. My other reason why, is because I feel like every year theres a "Franchise caliber LT that comes out every draft" Jason Smith and Michael Oher last year, Okung this year. Who will be the franchise QB for next year? Jake Locker? Who knows but theres always a better chance that they're will be franchise LT pretty much every draft, and a Pro Bowl Caliber QB about every 2 drafts or so. Add that with the fact that Shanahan has a great track record of getting average joes to play on his OL's, and that just supports more why we will get a QB over a tackle.
You forget the fact that our franchise LT has a terrible spine condition and should retire and our RT sucks big time. And didn't we already try the whole "taking average Joes and put them in our offensive line" deal? You seem to forget that Shanahan drafted Ryan Clady, so it is not completely strange for him to draft a first round tackle.
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You forget the fact that our franchise LT has a terrible spine condition and should retire and our RT sucks big time. And didn't we already try the whole "taking average Joes and put them in our offensive line" deal? You seem to forget that Shanahan drafted Ryan Clady, so it is not completely strange for him to draft a first round tackle.
Average Joe's picked by Vinny with only one drafted during the course of the draft since 2005.
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Old 02-14-2010, 04:10 PM   #27
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Really, it just boils down to how much the players appeal to the scouting department. A top 4 pick is an extremely expensive investment and if any player is going to be drafted that high, it's all about having the best damn football player available, period. Drafting Bradford for need is stupid and drafting Okung for need is also stupid. They need to show they can play, and at a high level. That's it.
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Bradford is a BIG RISK. First of all, this draft class of quarterbacks is not all that. Bradford is coming off major shoulder surgery. That should raise a lot of red flags. No way should the Skins pick this guy that high. He is a second or third rounder at best. He is considered a first rounder because the quarterback talent is so low. The Redskin offensive line is in shambles and has been neglected for too long. Okung is the choice at #4.
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Bradford is a BIG RISK. First of all, this draft class of quarterbacks is not all that. Bradford is coming off major shoulder surgery. That should raise a lot of red flags. No way should the Skins pick this guy that high. He is a second or third rounder at best. He is considered a first rounder because the quarterback talent is so low. The Redskin offensive line is in shambles and has been neglected for too long. Okung is the choice at #4.
You had me up until that. His shoulder surgery WASNT major. Last year, had he come out, he would be the starting QB for the Detroit Lions. And even with Suh being a consensus #1 pick, there are still rumors that even the rams might draft him #1 overall as well. So has a few red flags? Yes, but 2nd or 3rd round grade? No. But i agree, when you are picking 4th, you gotta grab the player that can start immediately and impact your team the most! We could def use an Eric Berry or even a Joe Haden if we let carlos rogers go or trade him away after tendering him. Can anyone tell me how the hell Anthony Davis rose past Russell Okung on the Scouts Draft board without even a combine yet? Did they just go back and review film?
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I would not be so sure that the Lions would have taken Bradford over Stafford last year. They knew about Stafford's accuracy problems and deemed him a first-overall type anyway. It will be interesting to see how that works out. No quarterback since McNabb has enjoyed a lengthy career without better accuracy than Stafford has.

Bradford, today, is a better prospect than Bradford, at this time last year. And I have a much higher grade this year (mid first round, 15-18 ish overall big board) on Sam than I had on Stafford last year (2nd round, 43rd overall). But the Lions really liked Stafford...consider, they never even entertained the idea of bringing Sanchez in for a serious workout. It was Stafford or another position. And after the combine, they were pretty locked in to that one player.
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