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Old 03-26-2010, 11:41 AM   #121
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Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?

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Never. If Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma St is not available at #4 then I would go with the next best left tackle. Other excellent candidates are Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland, Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma, Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa, Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers, and Vladimir Ducasse, OT, Massachesetts. The Redskins offensive line is in shambles. The offense will never get off the ground floor, if the Redskins do not address the line.
Trent Williams is a right tackle, not a left like many assume. And I think that makes him a bit of a wild card. On one hand, many feel HE is the better tackle between him and Okung. But since Okung plays left tackle, he's expected to go first in the draft. For all the obvious reasons.

I've stated previously that I'm okay drafting any of the above.
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Old 03-26-2010, 03:22 PM   #122
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You didn't answer the question though. Why would you want to trade up to No. 1 for a guy who would, in your hypothetical, be available at No. 4?

Pure and simple, if you're trying to buy Bradford from the Rams, it's going to cost you a Jay Cutler type package. Next year's first and probably third, as well as this year's fourth and the fourth overall pick. That's a lot different from Campbell and Carter, two players who don't have long term value to us. You're going from giving up about three marginal wins in players, 2 of which come from Campbell this season (projected...by me, sorry) to giving up multiple first round picks and future considerations. And you get...well, Sam Bradford.

Or, if the Rams were going to pass on him, you just take him at No. 4 for no additional cost.
i think you greatly greatly overexagerating if you think it will take:

skins 4th overall + 4th rounder + 2011 1st rounder + 3rd rounder just to move up 3 spots to no. 1.

do you seriously think it would take all that to move up 3 spots? thats seems absurd. (dikta doesnt count).

if they like him, we will draft him at 4. if they dont, we wont.
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Old 03-26-2010, 03:29 PM   #123
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i think you greatly greatly overexagerating if you think it will take:

skins 4th overall + 4th rounder + 2011 1st rounder + 3rd rounder just to move up 3 spots to no. 1.

do you seriously think it would take all that to move up 3 spots? thats seems absurd. (dikta doesnt count).

if they like him, we will draft him at 4. if they dont, we wont.
I think GTripp is basing his assumption on the draft value chart. Using that, he's about right on what it would take to move up to #1. The pick value for #1 overall is 3000, the picks GTripp mentioned come out to about 3150 (estimating the Skins to be at about pick 15 in 2011).

But to your point, no way I move up to get Bradford. I wouldn't take him at #4 either (it's pretty well documented who I'd take )
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Old 03-26-2010, 03:55 PM   #124
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Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?

Before the skins go after any QBs in a draft I would like to see them give the last one they drafted a chance. I think Brennan could be decent, and hey can't get much worse than 4-12.
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Old 03-26-2010, 04:04 PM   #125
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Before the skins go after any QBs in a draft I would like to see them give the last one they drafted a chance. I think Brennan could be decent, and hey can't get much worse than 4-12.
Brennan had two years of a chance and was outplayed by a 5'10" UDFA last pre-season. Watch as Timmy Cha.....oops, Colt Brennan plays himself off the roster this pre-season.
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Old 03-26-2010, 09:11 PM   #126
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I seen McCoy throughout his college career since I live in The Big 12 Country. McCoy throws a better pass than Clausen. He hits his WR in stride more often the Clausen. I was watching some of Jimmys highlights. The passes he completes makes his WR stop and comeback. The others would get picked by any starting secondary in the league and just cuase he plays from under center more often than most makes him ready to start, doesn't sell me on him. On Tebow I feel they way he changed his delivery in such a short time and WOWED all the scouts shows his commitment to being the best, and with his body of work proves he will bust his but off to acheiving excellence. Hell even Shanny and Allen had to go take a look at him to see what the hype was about.

I know there are hundreds of guys here who can disect this apart and make a case for me being wrong. But this is just my opinion.
Look man, here is the deal. Clausen throws his passes, so his receivers can catch the ball. It's all about knowing your receivers and them knowing their QB. McCoy has a weak arm even before the injury, will probably be worse now. Tebow was a winner in College (so was Charlie Ward and a cast of others), but he just isn't an NFL QB. All of the experts say if you draft him you shouldn't expect him to even attempt to start for 2-3 yrs. If he was there in say the 6th, I would say we should take a chance, but honestly he's not a pro QB. He's a great guy, good athlete, just not an NFL QB.
I'm glad Tebow has changed his delivery and worked on his game, but it's much easier to change your delivery without a 300 lb guys running full speed trying to kill you. When panic sets in, he will revert back to his old bad habits.
Clausen is the most NFL ready QB that has come out of college since Peyton Manning. I think it will be a huge mistake if we pass this guy up at #4 and I will be EXTREMELY pissed if we fucking draft Tebow with our 2nd round pick!!! The opportunity to draft a franchise QB rarely comes around, I hope we don't screw this up!!
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Old 03-27-2010, 01:35 AM   #127
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Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?

I wouldn't feel comfortable using any of our draft picks on Clausen, let alone trading up for him. I don't feel like any of the QBs in this draft class will end up being a franchise QB, Bradford might be the exception, but I still don't feel like any of the Quarterbacks coming out this year will be an upgrade over Jason Campbell, which is saying something.
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Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?

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You didn't answer the question though. Why would you want to trade up to No. 1 for a guy who would, in your hypothetical, be available at No. 4?

Pure and simple, if you're trying to buy Bradford from the Rams, it's going to cost you a Jay Cutler type package. Next year's first and probably third, as well as this year's fourth and the fourth overall pick. That's a lot different from Campbell and Carter, two players who don't have long term value to us. You're going from giving up about three marginal wins in players, 2 of which come from Campbell this season (projected...by me, sorry) to giving up multiple first round picks and future considerations. And you get...well, Sam Bradford.

Or, if the Rams were going to pass on him, you just take him at No. 4 for no additional cost.

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Old 03-27-2010, 01:45 AM   #129
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I think GTripp is basing his assumption on the draft value chart. Using that, he's about right on what it would take to move up to #1. The pick value for #1 overall is 3000, the picks GTripp mentioned come out to about 3150 (estimating the Skins to be at about pick 15 in 2011).

But to your point, no way I move up to get Bradford. I wouldn't take him at #4 either (it's pretty well documented who I'd take )

The guy looking for his baseball in "There's something about Mary" wouldn't sign off on that trade.
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Old 03-27-2010, 02:24 AM   #130
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Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?

I am late to this thread but never.
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Old 03-27-2010, 09:47 AM   #131
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I wouldn't trade anyway to move up to get him. I just dont think he is that good of a QB. I watched him several times and just didn't see the NFL QB that Kiper sees. i see him squeezing balls in against college competition, those windows are twice as small in the NFL. I see those being pick sixes. He is a guy that goes out if he struggles and misses some passes early, then forget it he is done the rest of the game. I just dont see it..plus i dont think his arm strength is all that great for the NFL. I take another QB in the 2nd. Pike comes to mind from Cincy, LeFever may be another option, McCoy may be there too. I just dont like Clausen AT ALL if you can't tell.
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Brennan had two years of a chance and was outplayed by a 5'10" UDFA last pre-season. Watch as Timmy Cha.....oops, Colt Brennan plays himself off the roster this pre-season.
To be fair i believe that UDFA outplayed the starter as well but hey, that's just me.

As far as the threads actual subject goes. There is no one that I would trade up for this year period. There really isn't anyone that I want at 4 but if you can't trade down take who you think is going to be most benificial to your team long term.
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The guy looking for his baseball in "There's something about Mary" wouldn't sign off on that trade.
WHO WARREN !?!?!?!?!?

HA !

That movie is so hilarious !
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I wouldn't trade anyway to move up to get him. I just dont think he is that good of a QB. I watched him several times and just didn't see the NFL QB that Kiper sees. i see him squeezing balls in against college competition, those windows are twice as small in the NFL. I see those being pick sixes. He is a guy that goes out if he struggles and misses some passes early, then forget it he is done the rest of the game. I just dont see it..plus i dont think his arm strength is all that great for the NFL. I take another QB in the 2nd. Pike comes to mind from Cincy, LeFever may be another option, McCoy may be there too. I just dont like Clausen AT ALL if you can't tell.
I'd trade out of the draft to avoid taking Pike or Lefevour
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Old 03-27-2010, 12:37 PM   #135
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Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?

There's really only one QB worth taking in the first round this year IMO and that's Bradford.
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