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Old 03-31-2010, 11:06 AM   #136
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Players usually hold out for more money. Dropping to #4 gives you less leverage on arguing for more money, so this makes no sense.
Even if Bradford were to drop to us, I believe he would use the QB position and try to leverage it with us to get a good payday. He may also believe Washington will pay more simply because of the different FO's and ownership. I certainly don't think Washington would ever see a holdout, but the Rams could.

I also think the Rams will want a deal done pre-draft, if Bradford seriously wants to wait that could help him drop. Not necessarily to us though, because Mike Holmgrem might jump up for Bradford.
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I am really excited to see what we do. IF we traded and got Bradford, I would be syked. If we stayed pat and got Okung/Bradford at 4 and McCoy/LT prospect at 37, I would be syked. If we traded down, say with SF or the Raiders, and got more picks, I would be syked.

Dang, I am way too easy!
That's what I'm leaning towards. The only guy I would really want at 4 is Okung (assuming Bradford and the two DTs are gone), but I also don't feel like Okung is that much better than a tackle we could get later on. If we can swing a trade with SF and have two picks in the top 17, that would be great.

I think so much of what we do depends on how Shanny really feels about Jason Campbell, and I don't think anyone outside of the organization knows that.

Colt McCoy's pro-day is today. I wonder if Shanny will be there. I want NO part of that guy. I'd probably rather have Pike or Lefevour.
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Even if Bradford were to drop to us, I believe he would use the QB position and try to leverage it with us to get a good payday. He may also believe Washington will pay more simply because of the different FO's and ownership. I certainly don't think Washington would ever see a holdout, but the Rams could.

I also think the Rams will want a deal done pre-draft, if Bradford seriously wants to wait that could help him drop. Not necessarily to us though, because Mike Holmgrem might jump up for Bradford.
What would be crazy is if we end up drafting Bradford, trade or not, and then he holds out for big $ (the qb reasoning you mention). Wouldn't it be something if the skins actually refused to pay a big name player what he & his agent demanded & a long holdout ensued?

I don't see any holdouts being too long this year though. With the uncertainty of a CBA & a potential lockout in 2011, any half smart player & agent will get the biggest chunk of change they can this year, even at the expense of some unfavorable terms later in the deal.
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Old 03-31-2010, 12:01 PM   #139
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I seriously doubt that Sam Bradford becomes a Redskin, it's either Clausen or Okung. The Rams will not pass up on this, and the whole theory about Spag losing his job next year if they don't improve is a complete joke. If he doesn't pick Bradford and they still do bad he'll be even more criticized and WILL lose his job.
Now I'm not saying we couldnt get Bradford even if the Rams wanted him, but it's very unlikely and this kid seems like he really wants to be the best which starts with going 1st overall.
Why can't everyone pretend it's January again and talk about how we should get Clausen instead of Bradford because he's more NFL ready.
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No, I would not. Further, Shanahan's drafts were almost as bad as Bruce Allens. Neither of them has ever done anything in thier careers to suggest they are savvy talent evaluators, so neither of them should be trading UP for anyone. Consider this: Jay Cutler is the best QB Shanahan has ever drafted.

Nuff Said.
Well it sounds like you just don't really believe in Shannahan & Allen if you don't trust their opinion from the gitgo. Also...I happen to believe Cutler was on his way to greatness when he was teamed up with Shanny.

If they decide not to go after Bradford and draft Okoung or Clausen at 4 I will be fine with that also. I just believe that a franchise QB trumps all other needs. If they feel they identified one then I am all for them making it happen.
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No, I would not. Further, Shanahan's drafts were almost as bad as Bruce Allens. Neither of them has ever done anything in thier careers to suggest they are savvy talent evaluators, so neither of them should be trading UP for anyone. Consider this: Jay Cutler is the best QB Shanahan has ever drafted.

Nuff Said.
I think Shanahan has a better eye for offensive talent than defensive talent. Denver had playmakers on offense. I think he also sometimes drafted for need, and that burned him in the end, with 2005 being a good example of that; he took a boatload of corners in that draft.

Allen, I'm not sure how handcuffed he was by the Tampa owners' financial problems.
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I just thought about this last night, but is anyone else worried that Shanahan might have the GW syndrome? The GW syndrome was where he thought his scheme was better than the players he needed.

I just really hope that Shanny doesn't think his zone blocking scheme can have anyone plugged in and have it work. I know we might need an upgrade at QB, but I am trusting him to understand that the offensive line is absolutely terrible.
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Old 03-31-2010, 01:59 PM   #143
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I got this from Matt Williamson's chat (he's from Scout's Inc) on ESPN.com today.

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What would you do at #4 if you were the Skins? Clausen/2nd Rnd OT, or Okung/C. McCoy?
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Okung-then give Campbell every chance to succeed. Maybe a guy like Gerhart in round 2. Or more OL help. Or a WR. Or a NT type. Or an ILB. Not big on the QBs at that point. However, not that I love Clausen, it is quite possible that he free falls on DDay if Buff goes another direction. If he starts to fall, Wash could back into round 1 and get both Okung and Clausen. Possible. But you take Okung at #4. To me, he is a WAY superior prospect.
PS: I'm not Dan, but I asked him a similar question, he just answered this one.
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I just thought about this last night, but is anyone else worried that Shanahan might have the GW syndrome? The GW syndrome was where he thought his scheme was better than the players he needed.

I just really hope that Shanny doesn't think his zone blocking scheme can have anyone plugged in and have it work. I know we might need an upgrade at QB, but I am trusting him to understand that the offensive line is absolutely terrible.
He drafted Clady in the 1st a few years ago, I'm sure he understands the importance of talent on the OL.
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He drafted Clady in the 1st a few years ago, I'm sure he understands the importance of talent on the OL.
The Bradford camp seems to forget this piece of information.
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I should have said talent on the OL, especially at LT.

On the interior spots you can get away with lesser talented guys as long as they fit your scheme well. LT is the one spot on the OL where you really need a quality athlete. Okung is that kind of guy.

People are getting all hyped up on QB, but I think when the dust finally settles Okung is going to be the pick and we'll find out he was the main target all along.
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I think Shanahan has a better eye for offensive talent than defensive talent. Denver had playmakers on offense. I think he also sometimes drafted for need, and that burned him in the end, with 2005 being a good example of that; he took a boatload of corners in that draft.

Allen, I'm not sure how handcuffed he was by the Tampa owners' financial problems.
Tampa Bay's financial problems might have something to do with free agency, but not the draft. Allen's draft record in Tampa bay was atrocious. As far as Shanahan goes, i agree he tends to do better on offense than defense, but he's still not that good.

I have no confidence in either of them when it comes to acquiring personnel. Thats why I want them to go the safest, most conservative route possible in 2010. After the draft, we'll probably reorganize/overhaul the personnel/scouting department and bring in a a solid personnel guy to work with Shanahan and Allen. Shanahan is without a doubt a great coach. Allen is without a doubt a good leader and contract/financial guy. Neither is known for being good in acquiring personnel.
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He drafted Clady in the 1st a few years ago, I'm sure he understands the importance of talent on the OL.
That's the one thing that makes me a lot less nervous...

I think Bradford is going to be a great pro, but this year isn't the year to give up the farm for a QB if it's going to set us back on picks.
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Tampa Bay's financial problems might have something to do with free agency, but not the draft. Allen's draft record in Tampa bay was atrocious. As far as Shanahan goes, i agree he tends to do better on offense than defense, but he's still not that good.

I have no confidence in either of them when it comes to acquiring personnel. Thats why I want them to go the safest, most conservative route possible in 2010. After the draft, we'll probably reorganize/overhaul the personnel/scouting department and bring in a a solid personnel guy to work with Shanahan and Allen. Shanahan is without a doubt a great coach. Allen is without a doubt a good leader and contract/financial guy. Neither is known for being good in acquiring personnel.
I dunno, the current scouting department seemed to be pretty good at evaluating talent, but the former dude at the top, Vinny, was ill-disposed to picking OL high. I remember a while back reading about how other teams raided our practice squad players... and offhand I know of three that are on other teams, those being Aromashodu, Dixon, and Mason.

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What would Cowher do?
He would have brought in someone with more personnel knowledge and experience to be GM. Allens great as a leader but his speciality is in the business side of things. we've always been ahead of the curb on the business side of football.

bringing in Shanahan as HC and Allen as GM improved our team in two areas that needed improving as both represent upgrades over Zorn and Cerrato... but theres still a glaring weakness in our front office structure.

Think of it this way - its like drafting CJ Spiller with our first round pick and Tim Tebow with our 2nd. With our first round pick we got a HUGE upgrade at running back. With our 2nd, we got a guy who's a great leader but who's playing out of position. At the end of the day, neither is really going to improve the team if we dont have a solid offensive line and a good quarterback.

Shanahan and Allen won't build a successful team until they bring in a personnel guy to help them make those decisions. In the 2010 draft, I just want them to play it safe. In 2011, when we have a strong personnel guy in the FO helping them, i'll be more comfortable with the team taking more calculated risks.

To clarify my analogy above, i think our front office should/will eventually be be structured this way:

Team President - Bruce Allen
GM - pimp daddy mac talent evaluator
Head Coach - Shanahan

My dream scenario would have negated the need for a triumvate:
Head Coach - Bill Cowher
GM - pimp daddy mac talent evaluator
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