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Old 03-31-2010, 12:20 PM   #46
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The thing I find funny about the Tebow hype is if you listen to the scouts or so called experts, opinions on him vary greatly. There are some genuine concerns about his mechanics, ability to read defenses, ability to play in a pro style offense, etc. that shouldn't be brushed aside. Yet his supporters just seem to ignore all that and think his determination is going to trump all of his negatives.

Tebow isn't the first playing coming into the NFL with great intangibles. Those things can only take you so far though.

I'm really on the fence with the guy, I can't say either way where I see him in 5 years. Those that have their minds made up good or bad, are those that I tend to tune out.
Exactly, it's kinda funny too because I remember during the sugar bowl thinking wow thank god the Redskins will have a chance to draft this guy so just for kicks I checked out a mock draft on him. Turns out he was favored to go 10th to the Jags, how things have changed eh? The only thing that changed that too was the Senior Bowl, more scouts and his pro day and now he's a 3rd round+ quaterback and should only be taken in by a successful team, but with that being said you know if you draft him he's gonna do whatever it takes to win.
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Old 03-31-2010, 12:20 PM   #47
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Okung would easily be our best tackle if drafted today.
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Old 03-31-2010, 12:24 PM   #48
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I have to disagree with the statement that it is irrelevant. As an organization you draft to upgrade a position why would we draft Okung if he is not more talented than Heyer. Which he is right now by the way. Tebow is not more talented than Chris Leak which i believe isn't in the league anymore. So why draft him even in the 6th round why?
Ya I guess you broke that down a little bit better, but at the same time it depends on the position. I guess at LT Okung is better you're right, but no way in hell is Tebow worse than Colt Brennan I mean come on.

And you must have missed me saying more than once "I do not want te Redskins to draft him", doesn't mean I don't think he'll make a decent starter someday.
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Old 03-31-2010, 12:26 PM   #49
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Okung would easily be our best tackle if drafted today.
As would any of the tackles projected to go in the first two rounds of the draft today.

When Stephon Heyer is the best tackle on your team, then something is clearly wrong. OT is by far the most pressing need on our team right now.

We need atleast 2, and preferably three, tackles better than Heyer on this team by the start of the season.

EDIT: An argument could easily be made that Hicks is the best Tackle on our team. However, i havent heard him officially be spoken of as anything other than a starting RG or backup T/G.
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Old 03-31-2010, 12:29 PM   #50
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Okung would easily be our best tackle if drafted today.
Absolutely. Our o-line would be upgraded with that one pick alone.
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Absolutely. Our o-line would be upgraded with that one pick alone.
When did LT's become such a vouge pick. It seemed like back in the 80's a guy like Okung might have lasted to till the back end of round 1.
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Old 03-31-2010, 01:08 PM   #52
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When did LT's become such a vouge pick. It seemed like back in the 80's a guy like Okung might have lasted to till the back end of round 1.
This is exactly how I feel. Get our tackle in the second round or trade for Gaither.

In my eyes on a scale of 1 to 10 in importance I got QB at 10 and LT at 6-7.
The more i think about it, the mro eI feel that Gaither for our 37th would be a perfect trade.
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Its just how the talent stacked this year. It is easier at this time to project Suh and Okung have enough talent and play at positions where they will play right away... and make difference.
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When did LT's become such a vouge pick. It seemed like back in the 80's a guy like Okung might have lasted to till the back end of round 1.
When offensive lines play like ours did in 2009, drafting a tackle is super vogue.
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Tebow, the best Qb out the draft. SEC rules!!!
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When did LT's become such a vouge pick. It seemed like back in the 80's a guy like Okung might have lasted to till the back end of round 1.
I just glanced through the draft results in the 80s and nearly every year there were tackles taken in the top 5, top 10, top 15, etc.
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The amount of utility the QB provides to the team is not infinite and is not unaffected by the dudes around him.

And besides, who would make a big transaction without some sort of insurance? Having an LT is a good insurance policy for a QB, especially one that's commanding top 4 money.
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I like Tebow in alot of was and do think that his intangibles will make him sucessful. Regardless of what analyst (and us fans) think, it's impossible to measure how much a guy wants it. If you get a guy who is willing to give up his life (in a work ethic sense) to achieve something, I'll bet on that guy every time.

However, we are not taking him 4th overall and I doubt he falls to us when we pick in the 2nd round. I hope, and believe, that Tebow will have success at the NFL level if he goes to the right situation.

That being said, I would love to get the winningest QB in college history with our 2nd round pick.....Colt McCoy.
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I don't have a good opinion on Tebow, but I would get a Tebow type later in the draft if our O-line issues are not addressed. Our o-line as it stands will have JC running for his life! If the Skins take anything other than tackle in the draft then the season will be doomed to repeat itself with a new learning curve for the defense. I would see another 4-12 year ahead under that scenario.

I also don't have a good feeling on any of the other QB's either! They are either to brittle and thin or arm strength is suspect.

Washington has had a tradition of winning with the second tier QB!!!! Check the super bowls! If our line is strong the skins have a strong record!

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Tebow is not better than any starting NFL QB right now. He doesn't even have the basic fundamentals of footwork down and he's not up to speed with reading NFL defenses.

This Tebow man crush continues to amaze me.
No doubt. He's a major question and the talk of him going in the late first to second baffles the hell out of me. I'd be higher on most of the 2nd tier QBs.. to me he's 3rd tier.
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