Mayock Thinks Redskins Could Pass on Okung...

jdc65 · 04-08-2010, 12:13 AM

No way would I want T.Williams at 4 or 14. Complete Right Tackle prospect, he has athleticism, but too many questions about him to lock down the left side. Phil Loadholt was a far superior LT at Oklahoma, and he can't handle the LT spot in Minnesota. Trent completely whiffed on the inside blitz that ruined Bradford's shoulder, and had several mediocre games last year. He was a dominating RT in his junior year, but struggled at LT as a senior.
There are questions about his level of commitment and focus that should draw concern. His freak combine has elevated him far more then his film justifies. Same with B.Campbell, don't buy the hype. Campbell and Williams in the 20s; ok, but no way in the top 10. Workout warriors without solid game film are huge risks.

CultBrennan59 · 04-08-2010, 12:17 AM

A) Okung IS the best Tackle in the draft
B) There is a reason why we want it known to all the teams, media, and fans that we visited with Sam Bradford, Eric Berry, Colt McCoy, and Tim Tebow, yet Okung's visit was kept quiet...Can you say the other guys are used as smoke screens to get the real guy we want who we're trying to not let other teams know we like him
C) Trent Williams played very very little left tackle in college whereas Okung was a 3 year starter on the Left side, we have to replace our LT before we replace/fool around with a RT. Sure Williams is versatile but our real guy is Okung.

tryfuhl · 04-08-2010, 12:29 AM

I thought that this was a good write-up of Okung's strengths and weaknesses

Seahawks Draft Blog: Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State

tryfuhl · 04-08-2010, 12:29 AM

and keep in mind Mayock may be judging on diff factors, upside, etc

I'm pretty sure he's got McCoy ahead of Suh as well

I've seen in some comments from Broncos fans that they'd expect us to pick Williams since he's more athletic whereas Okung is a bit more smooth and not as strong in the lower body

who knows

CultBrennan59 · 04-08-2010, 12:42 AM

^ we all know that Suh is better than McCoy. I feel that they're just trying to kill time and extend conversations that McCoy is better than Suh. Just look at the texas game. McCoy had 1.5 sacks, Suh had 4.5 sacks. McCoy had 5 tackles. Suh had 12 tackles. McCoy had 2 tackles for loss, Suh had 4 tackles for loss. McCoy had other great Defensive Lineman (Auston English, Adrian Taylor, DeMarcus Granger, Jeremy Beal [future first round pick]) Suh didn't have one other decent player playing with him. Suh was double and sometimes triple-teamed, McCoy was always doubled, occasionally single teamed.

Please draft analyst stop saying McCoy is better, any other year he would be the best DT, but this year he's coming out when arguably the best one in 10-20 years is coming out as well.

53Fan · 04-08-2010, 12:46 AM

Suh also led his team in tackles. Not bad for a DT.

Kindoy · 04-08-2010, 12:52 AM

If we still have the 4th pick by draft time, it would be a mistake to take anybody but Okooong. You can try to justify taking anybody else you want, but he's the closest to a sure thing we're going to get in this draft.

53Fan · 04-08-2010, 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

I'm not sure I get this write-up?

The reviewer says that Okung has long arms but is not very strong, but we know that the player put up 38 reps at the combine and scouts were saying that is an absoluetly huge nimber for a guy with very long arms i ask myself if this guy really knows what he is talking about?

When I read further and he says he is not impressed with Okung as a pass blocker and then I look at twenty other eviews that place him as the best pass blocking lineman in the draft without question I have to say I'm not so sure this review helps us?

Seems odd to me too. Okung is easily the best OT in the draft IMO.

SmootSmack · 04-08-2010, 07:26 AM

The notion that the Redskins hyped up visits with guys like Berry and Bradford yet hid the fact we were meeting with Okungs is far-fetched

Okung's Advantages:

-Familiar with zone-blocking offense
-Can start at LT right away
-Consistent, reliable

Williams' Advantages

-Superior athlete
-Can play both LT and RT (something that really appeals to Shanahan)
-Potentially huge upside (but he seems to have the risk of being a bust)

Williams was considered a top prospect going into this draft but started to slip some as the Sooners struggled

At #4, I think we should go with Okung over Williams. I'd rather go for the sure thing.

vallin21 · 04-08-2010, 07:50 AM

The only way We get Williams is if we swap 1st rd picks w/ Denver and throw in JC for Marshall. If we stay at 4 it's a lock we're taking Okung.

LandrySlice · 04-08-2010, 08:04 AM

I don't think we are trading picks anymore. They are gonna take Okung for sure to have a cornerstone piece of the O-Line, and then they are gonna trade players for more picks. Not sure which players, but thats my gut feeling. I like Williams, but Okung is too much of a beast to pass up.

johno · 04-08-2010, 08:49 AM

with having so few picks, we cant afford to miss with #4. We have to take Okung, he has got to be one of the safest picks in the draft.

Mattyk · 04-08-2010, 09:12 AM

Here's the plan:

Trade down, pick up an extra 1st rounder, send that to Denver for Marshall, and still pick up one of the top OL propsects.

Win.

JoeRedskin · 04-08-2010, 09:17 AM

^^ Championship!!

skinsfanthru&thru · 04-08-2010, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Here's the plan:

Trade down, pick up an extra 1st rounder, send that to Denver for Marshall, and still pick up one of the top OL propsects.

Win.

I think I'd pass out from excitement if that happened haha. I think Mcnabb would too if in one day you told him you got him a good young guy to protect his blindside and one of the top 5 wrs in the league to throw the ball to to go along with the targets he already has.

04-08-2010, 12:13 AM	#16
jdc65 Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: New Jersey Posts: 246	Re: Mayock Thinks Redskins Could Pass on Okung... No way would I want T.Williams at 4 or 14. Complete Right Tackle prospect, he has athleticism, but too many questions about him to lock down the left side. Phil Loadholt was a far superior LT at Oklahoma, and he can't handle the LT spot in Minnesota. Trent completely whiffed on the inside blitz that ruined Bradford's shoulder, and had several mediocre games last year. He was a dominating RT in his junior year, but struggled at LT as a senior. There are questions about his level of commitment and focus that should draw concern. His freak combine has elevated him far more then his film justifies. Same with B.Campbell, don't buy the hype. Campbell and Williams in the 20s; ok, but no way in the top 10. Workout warriors without solid game film are huge risks.

04-08-2010, 12:17 AM	#17
CultBrennan59 Pro Bowl Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,579	Re: Mayock Thinks Redskins Could Pass on Okung... A) Okung IS the best Tackle in the draft B) There is a reason why we want it known to all the teams, media, and fans that we visited with Sam Bradford, Eric Berry, Colt McCoy, and Tim Tebow, yet Okung's visit was kept quiet...Can you say the other guys are used as smoke screens to get the real guy we want who we're trying to not let other teams know we like him C) Trent Williams played very very little left tackle in college whereas Okung was a 3 year starter on the Left side, we have to replace our LT before we replace/fool around with a RT. Sure Williams is versatile but our real guy is Okung. __________________ When in doubt, go with the SEC

04-08-2010, 12:29 AM	#18
tryfuhl Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Waldorf, MD Age: 29 Posts: 12,512	Re: Mayock Thinks Redskins Could Pass on Okung... I thought that this was a good write-up of Okung's strengths and weaknesses Seahawks Draft Blog: Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State

04-08-2010, 12:29 AM	#19
tryfuhl Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Waldorf, MD Age: 29 Posts: 12,512	Re: Mayock Thinks Redskins Could Pass on Okung... and keep in mind Mayock may be judging on diff factors, upside, etc I'm pretty sure he's got McCoy ahead of Suh as well I've seen in some comments from Broncos fans that they'd expect us to pick Williams since he's more athletic whereas Okung is a bit more smooth and not as strong in the lower body who knows

04-08-2010, 12:42 AM	#20
CultBrennan59 Pro Bowl Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,579	Re: Mayock Thinks Redskins Could Pass on Okung... ^ we all know that Suh is better than McCoy. I feel that they're just trying to kill time and extend conversations that McCoy is better than Suh. Just look at the texas game. McCoy had 1.5 sacks, Suh had 4.5 sacks. McCoy had 5 tackles. Suh had 12 tackles. McCoy had 2 tackles for loss, Suh had 4 tackles for loss. McCoy had other great Defensive Lineman (Auston English, Adrian Taylor, DeMarcus Granger, Jeremy Beal [future first round pick]) Suh didn't have one other decent player playing with him. Suh was double and sometimes triple-teamed, McCoy was always doubled, occasionally single teamed. Please draft analyst stop saying McCoy is better, any other year he would be the best DT, but this year he's coming out when arguably the best one in 10-20 years is coming out as well. __________________ When in doubt, go with the SEC

04-08-2010, 12:46 AM	#21
53Fan Pro Bowl Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kill Devil Hills, N.C. Posts: 7,354	Re: Mayock Thinks Redskins Could Pass on Okung... Suh also led his team in tackles. Not bad for a DT. __________________ "Cautiously And Optimistically... Looking Forward To Change"

04-08-2010, 12:52 AM	#22
Kindoy Impact Rookie Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 653	Re: Mayock Thinks Redskins Could Pass on Okung... If we still have the 4th pick by draft time, it would be a mistake to take anybody but Okooong. You can try to justify taking anybody else you want, but he's the closest to a sure thing we're going to get in this draft. __________________ Is this the part where we argue? GO LAKERS

04-08-2010, 07:26 AM	#24
SmootSmack Mad Men Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,098	Re: Mayock Thinks Redskins Could Pass on Okung... The notion that the Redskins hyped up visits with guys like Berry and Bradford yet hid the fact we were meeting with Okungs is far-fetched Okung's Advantages: -Familiar with zone-blocking offense -Can start at LT right away -Consistent, reliable Williams' Advantages -Superior athlete -Can play both LT and RT (something that really appeals to Shanahan) -Potentially huge upside (but he seems to have the risk of being a bust) Williams was considered a top prospect going into this draft but started to slip some as the Sooners struggled At #4, I think we should go with Okung over Williams. I'd rather go for the sure thing. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

04-08-2010, 07:50 AM	#25
vallin21 The Starter Join Date: May 2008 Location: Vienna Va Posts: 1,025	Re: Mayock Thinks Redskins Could Pass on Okung... The only way We get Williams is if we swap 1st rd picks w/ Denver and throw in JC for Marshall. If we stay at 4 it's a lock we're taking Okung.

04-08-2010, 08:04 AM	#26
LandrySlice Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: AFGHANISTAN Posts: 334	Re: Mayock Thinks Redskins Could Pass on Okung... I don't think we are trading picks anymore. They are gonna take Okung for sure to have a cornerstone piece of the O-Line, and then they are gonna trade players for more picks. Not sure which players, but thats my gut feeling. I like Williams, but Okung is too much of a beast to pass up. __________________ Don't tase me bro!!!!

04-08-2010, 08:49 AM	#27
johno Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southwest, DC Posts: 599	Re: Mayock Thinks Redskins Could Pass on Okung... with having so few picks, we cant afford to miss with #4. We have to take Okung, he has got to be one of the safest picks in the draft. __________________ fight for old dc.

04-08-2010, 09:12 AM	#28
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,656	Re: Mayock Thinks Redskins Could Pass on Okung... Here's the plan: Trade down, pick up an extra 1st rounder, send that to Denver for Marshall, and still pick up one of the top OL propsects. Win. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

04-08-2010, 09:17 AM	#29
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 50 Posts: 7,143	Re: Mayock Thinks Redskins Could Pass on Okung... ^^ Championship!! __________________ My Little Pony: Friendship is magic? or ... a repressive matriarchal society where individuals' roles are defined by their immutable physical characteristics and governance is reserved for those who demonstrate the genetic purity of the pony master race?

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