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Old 04-08-2010, 01:09 PM   #31
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Re: Mayock Thinks Redskins Could Pass on Okung...

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I'm not sure I get this write-up?

The reviewer says that Okung has long arms but is not very strong, but we know that he put up 38 reps at the combine and scouts were saying that was an absoluetly huge number for a guy with very long arms so I begin to ask myself if this guy really knows what he is talking about?

When I read further and he says he is not impressed with Okung as a pass blocker and then I look at twenty other reviews that place him as the best pass blocking lineman in the draft without question I have to say I'm not so sure this review helps us?
lower body strength.. talking about him getting pushed back a lot apparently

he watched the tape and analyzed it, I didn't, I don't know.. I think that I only watched one of his games last year, maybe two
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the "Danny" didn't done that one. That would be the "Vinnie". Can't have it both ways. Either Danny runs things or he doesn't. He listened to Vinnie and its Vinnie's fault...or Danny makes all the calls so we now have to give credit for the "Danny" going over Shanny's head and getting McNabb.
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Re: Mayock Thinks Redskins Could Pass on Okung...

I love me some Trent Williams, but I will just present the following evidence without comment:

The main reason we landed Brian Orakpo at no. 13 in the draft last year is because a bunch of teams thought exactly like this: scheme over talent.
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Old 04-09-2010, 02:43 AM   #34
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I love me some Trent Williams, but I will just present the following evidence without comment:

The main reason we landed Brian Orakpo at no. 13 in the draft last year is because a bunch of teams thought exactly like this: scheme over talent.
I thought it was because of injury concerns?

Edit: Injury concerns and an apparent lack of a motor:

Durability -4 - Sprained right knee during 2007 opener (Arkansas State) was an early setback. He missed the next four games as a result but did finish the season strong, including two sacks vs. ASU in Holiday Bowl. 2008: Misses Baylor game and plays sparingly versus Kansas due to left knee sprain. Also suffered hamstring strain at the Combine but recovered fully in time for late-March Pro Day workout.

Intangibles - 3 - No off-the-field issues. Works hard off-the-field, particularly in the weight room. Is a confident player but would like to see his motor run more consistently.

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I thought it was because of injury concerns?

Edit: Injury concerns and an apparent lack of a motor:

Durability -4 - Sprained right knee during 2007 opener (Arkansas State) was an early setback. He missed the next four games as a result but did finish the season strong, including two sacks vs. ASU in Holiday Bowl. 2008: Misses Baylor game and plays sparingly versus Kansas due to left knee sprain. Also suffered hamstring strain at the Combine but recovered fully in time for late-March Pro Day workout.

Intangibles - 3 - No off-the-field issues. Works hard off-the-field, particularly in the weight room. Is a confident player but would like to see his motor run more consistently.

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Inconsistent motor is a scouting designation used to degrade a prospect that doesn't necessarily have anything obviously wrong.

Durability issues tend to be a lot more concrete. With that said, I wasn't under the impression that Orkapo was a huge injury risk. A lot of pundits thought he would be a fish out of water in the 3-4, ironically.
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Inconsistent motor is a scouting designation used to degrade a prospect that doesn't necessarily have anything obviously wrong.

Durability issues tend to be a lot more concrete. With that said, I wasn't under the impression that Orkapo was a huge injury risk. A lot of pundits thought he would be a fish out of water in the 3-4, ironically.
Yeah, but then we saw him hold his own as a 4-3 OLB which is much harder for someone with Orakpo's skill set.
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Yeah, but then we saw him hold his own as a 4-3 OLB which is much harder for someone with Orakpo's skill set.
Hence, the irony.
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Re: Mayock Thinks Redskins Could Pass on Okung...

Back to OT's real quick. Even though he's my second favorite prospect one of the knocks on Bryan Bulaga has been his 33 1/4 inch long arms (36 inches is ideal). Here's some game footage of Bulaga to give you an idea of what he's going to have to deal with at the next level.


By the way I totally stole this off a Chiefs forum while I was looking for the Chief fans views on OKUNGGGGGG!!!!!!!11 So with that said all credit goes to SNR from Chiefs Planet.
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Very good summation of Okung vs Williams.
Tale of the tape: Okung vs. Williams - NFL - Yahoo! Sports
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Very good summation of Okung vs Williams.
Tale of the tape: Okung vs. Williams - NFL - Yahoo! Sports
Good stuff.
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Very good summation of Okung vs Williams.
Tale of the tape: Okung vs. Williams - NFL - Yahoo! Sports
It's interesting that he's comparing Williams to Bushrod since Bushrod is a guy we've reportedly been actively in discussions about
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Re: Mayock Thinks Redskins Could Pass on Okung...

I watched "film" on both Okung and Williams and personally I liked both. The thing that intrigued me about Williams was how quick he was able to move. He recognizes stunts and is actually very strong when he gets locked on. The thing is he still pales in comparison to Okung. Okung simply makes pass blocking look way to easy and all to frequently I saw him throw defenders like rag dolls. Williams freqently protected the QB but seemed to have to put fourth a bit more effort to get the job done.

Okung on the other hand rarely put his QB in a position to worry, it was amazing how much more time Robinson had to throw then Jones/Bradford. If we want more picks then I think it would be best to trade existing players. Trading down from the fourth with our QB situation handled isn't worth the risk with a guy like Okung available to us.

However in a universe run by Madden having Okung at LT and Williams at RT would be unbelieveable. I also believe that Williams could easily become the best Guard in the game if he ever moved there.



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thanks for posting those

I see what that guy meant about Okung looking like he's playing on tile when he hits the second level, but otherwise he looks pretty solid.. could have a better push on the runs and could deal with the 2nd move better when he doesn't lock the guy up, could def be a good addition here.. will check out Williams in a bit
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The risk is too high with Williams. He's got the potential to be a major bust. Maybe Okung won't be any better than he is now but you know what you're getting, and that's a guy who can anchor the line for 10 plus years
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It's interesting that he's comparing Williams to Bushrod since Bushrod is a guy we've reportedly been actively in discussions about
I was thinking the same thing
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