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Old 01-05-2011, 09:11 AM   #301
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I think it's far to early for people to throw in the towel on Clausen. He may never be an elite qb, but he could still be pretty damn good. He has Jonathan Stewart and that's about it on offense right now. That being said, it would be damn near impossible for the Panthers to pass on him unless someone does give up the farm for him.

I agree that the Panthers are basically just posturing in saying they are taking him if he declares for the same reason others have stated, don't devalue the pick. In the grand scheme of things, the Panthers would probably be better served trading down and filling many holes as opposed to staying put and adding to one position while still having many to fill. That is the same stance we need to take. If we can make a reasonable deal with out bankrupting the team of all of its draft picks over the next few years, then try, otherwise, taking the best available or trade down and add more picks.
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Old 01-05-2011, 09:16 AM   #302
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I'm not all that high on Mallett. If he could be had in the second round, I'd be cool with him or Locker there, but not with the #10 pick. If we stay at the ten, we should be able to draft and impact rush linebacker. Tandem that with Orakpo and our 3-4 defense suddenly looks much better. The way Joseph played on the line near the end of the season, I think we can look for depth there as opposed to instant impact. A free safety at some point it a must. Kevin Barnes may be the answer but we'll have to see if he can make the transition. I'm of the mind that he can.
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I think it's far to early for people to throw in the towel on Clausen. He may never be an elite qb, but he could still be pretty damn good. He has Jonathan Stewart and that's about it on offense right now. That being said, it would be damn near impossible for the Panthers to pass on him unless someone does give up the farm for him.

I agree that the Panthers are basically just posturing in saying they are taking him if he declares for the same reason others have stated, don't devalue the pick. In the grand scheme of things, the Panthers would probably be better served trading down and filling many holes as opposed to staying put and adding to one position while still having many to fill. That is the same stance we need to take. If we can make a reasonable deal with out bankrupting the team of all of its draft picks over the next few years, then try, otherwise, taking the best available or trade down and add more picks.
It would be to the Panthers' advantage to develop both Clausen and Luck. As a rebuilding team, it would be an asset for them to have a tradeable QB.
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I'm not all that high on Mallett. If he could be had in the second round, I'd be cool with him or Locker there, but not with the #10 pick. If we stay at the ten, we should be able to draft and impact rush linebacker. Tandem that with Orakpo and our 3-4 defense suddenly looks much better. The way Joseph played on the line near the end of the season, I think we can look for depth there as opposed to instant impact. A free safety at some point it a must. Kevin Barnes may be the answer but we'll have to see if he can make the transition. I'm of the mind that he can.
Agreed. Which is why I have a hunch we're taking Von Miller (which I know may be a bit high at #10) (said the guy who thought we'd take Orakpo in '09, and T Williams in '10) Opinion subject to change

And...Joseph? He was hardly a factor ,sure you're not talking about someone else?
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I've missed the explanation,why does Dallas get to pick ahead of us? I was fking rooting for them Sunday to pull out that win then it does us no good,man that left a bad taste in my mouth
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Agreed. Which is why I have a hunch we're taking Von Miller (which I know may be a bit high at #10) (said the guy who thought we'd take Orakpo in '09, and T Williams in '10) Opinion subject to change

And...Joseph? He was hardly a factor ,sure you're not talking about someone else?
Yup, I meant Anthony Bryant. We will still need to find someone to plug that hole in the not too distant future as Bryant is 29, but he seemed to do a pretty good job at the end of the year.
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Yup, I meant Anthony Bryant. We will still need to find someone to plug that hole in the not too distant future as Bryant is 29, but he seemed to do a pretty good job at the end of the year.
Bryant was good and should be in a rotation for playing time at NT, but not as a starter. We need help at NT and DE really bad. Our D-Line was the weakest area of our team IMO.
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I've missed the explanation,why does Dallas get to pick ahead of us? I was fking rooting for them Sunday to pull out that win then it does us no good,man that left a bad taste in my mouth
Because of strength of schedule. We had the same record against the same teams. But when you look at the record of the teams they played vs the record of the teams they played, their opponents' record was worse than ours. So they get the higher pick.
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Old 01-05-2011, 10:35 AM   #309
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Dallas won the division last year and ended up with an easier schedule then we did. That sucks.
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Bryant was good and should be in a rotation for playing time at NT, but not as a starter. We need help at NT and DE really bad. Our D-Line was the weakest area of our team IMO.
For much of the season that seemed the case, though the o line is still pretty sub par. Late in the season, say the last 3-4 games, the d line seemed to really pick up its play. Carriker looked good & Bryant really liked like a legit starting NT. Jarmon showed flashes too.

In particular the last 10 quarters they have looked like a different defense, and the d line was a big part of that.
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Dallas won the division last year and ended up with an easier schedule then we did. That sucks.
Well it's something you kind of can't see coming. Each schedule is predetermined after the regular season ends each year. Every team plays 6 divisional games, 1 out of conference division (for us an AFC division), one in conference division, and the final 2 opponents are in conference opponents determined by where you finished in the division.

We played the same 14 teams as they did, including us/them twice, and their final 2 games were first place teams from the two NFC divisions that we don't play this year, which were New Orleans and Arizona, while we played the Bucs and St. Louis, because they both finished last in their division last year. Since the NFC East played the NFC North division this year, that means the two opponents we played would be from the NFC West and South divisions.

That's why we had the harder strength of schedule, because both the Bucs and St. Louis became pretty good teams this year while the Cardinals hugely regressed and the Saints regressed slightly.
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Interesting comment from J.Jones about the pending lockout....

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Perhaps the most telling observation in recent weeks drew far less attention that it deserved. In the web-only version of a 60 Minutes interview featuring Cowboys owner Jerry Jones, reporter Scott Pelley asked Jones if a lockout would be “disastrous” to the league.

“No. I do not,” Jones said.
Comments from Jerry Richardson, Jerry Jones suggest lockout is coming | ProFootballTalk

Should I start working out now? lol. I wonder how much scrubs make?
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I honestly don't think our LB corps is as bad as some people think - certainly we need to address our DL before LB as far as our defense goes. You'd have a hard time convincing me we should take a LB at 10 overall - Blades, Fletcher, and Riley will be solid in the middle. Orkapo is obviously a very good starting OLB and Lorenzo Alexander and Rob Jackson are not bad enough that i would replace them with a top 10 pick, especially when free agency is full of young, decent linebackers.
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Makes sense, since the guy is earning such rave reviews. I think the possibility of them trading out of that pick makes sense too. It will cost them big $ to sign the #1 pick & a head coach, and I'm sure they'd like to have some picks to build on.

What's scary is the team w/the most ammo to do it is New England. They could package a no. of 1st day picks & draft Luck to groom him to replace Brady. That kind of trade would be out of character for NE, but finding a replacement for Brady wouldn't be.
New England is too smart to do something like this. Brady isn't going anywhere for several more years. He's at the top of his game and is one of the most durable QB's in the NFL. I see him playing into his late 30's.
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I'm not all that high on Mallett. If he could be had in the second round, I'd be cool with him or Locker there, but not with the #10 pick. If we stay at the ten, we should be able to draft and impact rush linebacker. Tandem that with Orakpo and our 3-4 defense suddenly looks much better. The way Joseph played on the line near the end of the season, I think we can look for depth there as opposed to instant impact. A free safety at some point it a must. Kevin Barnes may be the answer but we'll have to see if he can make the transition. I'm of the mind that he can.
I'm not either. He reminds me of David Klingler. Plus his feet are like bricks.
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