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Old 01-06-2011, 03:46 PM   #346
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Ok my point is... the way some people are talking I get the feeling they want to simply blame MS for the whole debacle. Some people are saying the players are unhappy with how things were handled. Maybe they were, maybe they are not. All I'm saying is there are some players there that are happy with how things were being handled, so lets stop pointing fingers, lets get over the fact McNabb was handled wrong, and move on.

I'm happy there is accountability finally, I'm happy everyone is being treated the same, I'm happy with how MS is punishing the players who don't want to practice or aren't performing. I think it's more the media is blowing things up more then it should be just to get reactions.
Really? I feel like it is completely the opposite. McNabb is the convenient public fall guy for 2010. I am am not even a McNabb fan, but I think he has taken more than his share of the blame.
Nobody else but Moss has stepped up to share in the blame or help deflect the blame. Where are the offensive lineman that blocked so poorly or the RB's that could not stay healthy? Or the defense that played most of the season ranked dead last? Quietly hiding?
Look at all the articles and what is being said in the media now that the season has ended. It has been overwhelming mentioning over and over again that McNabb did not live up to expectation (which is true) and that he no longer is wanted in DC, no second chance, see you later, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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Old 01-06-2011, 03:50 PM   #347
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Defense, let me ask you this, how much more blame should Shanahan toss on? He's accepted having handled the first benching of McNabb wrong. That's all The blame I'd give him. The Haynesworth issue I feel is all on AH being a prima dona trying to get what he wants and not have to do what his coach has requested of him.

The second benching of McNabb I figured the coach was protecting McNabb from meaningless games. Then all the dirt came out about McNabb not studying or knowing the full playbook. Stats a side you can't tell me Grossman didn't look better simply cause he knew the playbook better.
He should have stood up for his QB and mentioned that the rest of the team is also not playing well. The offensive line, RB's injured all the time, receivers that dropped many passes, a defense that was ranked last most of the season.
Yes, McNabb played poorly. I will admit that.
But if you are going to invest a 2nd and a 5th on a player and abandon him in less thatn one season when things get bad that is weak.
Mcnabb is not Jeff George.
McNabb paid out of his own pocket to fly his receivers on their off time to work extra time to get to know each other. McNabb has done everything you expect of a team leader to do and more....and his coach shit on him.
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There is no doubt the skins went through a radical change this year going from Zorn's easy going, buddy coach attitude to a dictator in one year.
I personally did not expect the radical behavior from shanny to be so extreme as to completely alienate top players that felt they paid their dues...such as haynesworth and Mcnabb...if it was only haynesworth, id understand as he is a me first player...but to alienate McNabb and throw him to the curb without giving him 2 full years is a bit crazy.
I understand he underperformed...but the line sucked...again and who's fault is that?
The reality is both prior coaching staffs got probowl production out of these two, but shanny would be lucky to garner a crappy 5th round pick for either of them.
That alone should tell you something.

I visualize Shanny in one of those westerns with players with egos saying....
This team aint big enough for the both of us.

I can see McNabb doing fairly well for another team, and don't be suprised if Haynesworth has a great season either.

Back to the draft...no way the skins waste their 1st rounder on a QB now that Luck is gone, the Qb's will be taken way to high...we need Dline at that spot...its the only move that makes sense at #10
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Old 01-06-2011, 04:12 PM   #349
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I'm happy there is accountability finally, I'm happy everyone is being treated the same
Accountability, I understand, but that does not mean treating everyone the same way....lets look at Redskins Superbowl winning teams.
Gibbs certainly did not treat his players the same way...he went way out of his way for problem children, such as riggins and manley and he let theisman run his mouth....all to make them feel important.
He could have just forced them all into 100% compliance but then Riggins would have never played, Theisman's mouth would literally explode from pressure build up and the Hogs would have never developed their pridefull subteam mentality.

Think back to Portis with Gibbs 2.0.
People say Gibbs ran him into the ground....
(I thought that was called maximizing talent )
Yes he did...and Portis was very effective AND very happy AND the Skins made the playoffs twice, with Brunell and Collins for heavens sake.
I can't think of a player that Gibbs came across that doesn't respect him.
He got them motivated because they WANTED to play for him...because he treated them Fairly AND as an individual.

Playing for Shanny is more like do what he says and Comply...and forget your individuality...he doesn't seem to care....he just wants 100% compliance. This can be demorilizing to some since it would be nice to have a boss that cares about you personally, like Zorn seemed to and Gibbs before him. Shanny seems to be even harsher than Shottenheimer.
But Shotty seemed to get every bit out of his players, while Shanny doesn't seem to.

With the Skins, it just seems that coaching "styles" go from one extreme to another which freaks out players. Not saying that a military style coach can't be effective...just saying that I think this style could leave a lot of unmotivated players
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Old 01-06-2011, 06:49 PM   #350
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Wow. Ok.

#1 - I think everyone pretty much knew the OL played horrid. I personally didn't think each one needed to step up to a microphone and mention their piss poor play caused McNabb to have bad games.

#2 - Did McNabb play well? No. Is it all his fault? No. I'll even defend McNabb for you... no one should expect a player to come in 4 months prior to the season starting an expect him to know the play book inside and out. I actually wouldn't mind seeing what McNabb can do with more time to learn the offense. But that most likely won't happen.

But those 2 reasons does not excuse McNabb for all his poorly thrown ball, lack of mobility, and lackadaisical 2 min drill.
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Old 01-06-2011, 06:51 PM   #351
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I think I missed the part where McNabb admitted his roll? Or lack there of.
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Old 01-06-2011, 08:45 PM   #352
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Interesting article about Shannahan. Reviewing The Conventional Wisdom On Mike Shanahan's Drafts

Here is how his offense would look with guy all under 30, and remember he had no 2009 draft.

QB Jay Cutler
RB Ryan Torain
FB Peyton Hillis
WR Brandon Marshall
WR Eddie Royal
WR Brandon Banks
TE Tony Scheffler
LT Ryan Clady
C Kory Lichtensteiger
RT Trent Williams
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Playing for Shanny is more like do what he says and Comply...and forget your individuality...he doesn't seem to care....he just wants 100% compliance. This can be demorilizing to some since it would be nice to have a boss that cares about you personally, like Zorn seemed to and Gibbs before him. Shanny seems to be even harsher than Shottenheimer.
But Shotty seemed to get every bit out of his players, while Shanny doesn't seem to.

I don't think there is one thing in this paragraph that I would agree with!

While far from perfect, I think Shanny does get the max from his players, the ones who are not "bad apples" like playing for him, he does seem to care and will work with individuals, but does not let the inmates run the asylum.

Zorn is included in the list of coaches who are better?

You got me scratching my head!
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For the OL, they should look at this local guy that played for Stanford and looked pretty good.

Player Bio: Andrew Phillips - Stanford University's Official Athletic Site
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Old 01-07-2011, 01:42 PM   #355
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I don't think there is one thing in this paragraph that I would agree with!

While far from perfect, I think Shanny does get the max from his players, the ones who are not "bad apples" like playing for him, he does seem to care and will work with individuals, but does not let the inmates run the asylum.

Zorn is included in the list of coaches who are better?

You got me scratching my head!
I think where the difference in thought is some people expected more and got less, others don't like his "my way or the highway" mentality, and others feel you have to make exceptions to some players cause not all situations are alike.

keep in mind, first and formost, Snyder brought M.Shanahan in to be HC to not only coach the team but to instill discipline. Shanahan has even admitted that was part of the discussion between him and Snyder. So blame Shanahan all everyone wants but he was requested to do a job and is getting paid to do it. I'd think if Snyder had an issue with how his star players are being treated he would address it or fire Shanahan. I just think everyone is making a big deal about how certain players were handled during the season.

Remember when Caughlin was hired by the Giants? some players were grumbling, others accepted it. Look were it got them. Be on time to meetings or get fined. Practice hard or don't play on Sun. and anyone who doesn't like the program can leave.
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Interesting article about Shannahan. Reviewing The Conventional Wisdom On Mike Shanahan's Drafts

Here is how his offense would look with guy all under 30, and remember he had no 2009 draft.

QB Jay Cutler
RB Ryan Torain
FB Peyton Hillis
WR Brandon Marshall
WR Eddie Royal
WR Brandon Banks
TE Tony Scheffler
LT Ryan Clady
C Kory Lichtensteiger
RT Trent Williams
Umm, I'll take this team. lol. I don't know about Lichtensteiger playing Center though.
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They played some of their best football against Jacksonville when Orakpo was not playing. Of course, I'm not saying they're a better team without Orakpo. But without him they were more unpredictable. I believe they need someone who can line up on the opposite side of Orakpo and inflict much of the same damage he can.
This was absolutely, 100% my takeaway from the season. Orakpo, in the current defense, may be more of a liability than an asset. But that's not the fault of Orakpo: he's one of the true young pass rushing studs in this league. We could pair him with a guy like Lamarr Woodley and have a much stronger pass rushing unit. Woodley will probably be franchised by the Steelers which means we're looking to the draft to find that guy.

It's just a lone defensive need. We'll need a free safety too at some point, but honestly, if we just wanted to stick Kareem Moore out there again and admit that the defense is a work in progress because Kareem Moore kind of sucks, I think that second pass rusher will go a lot further. Free safety can be addressed when we have more picks. Sure would like to have Nate Allen on this team right now.
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This was absolutely, 100% my takeaway from the season. Orakpo, in the current defense, may be more of a liability than an asset. But that's not the fault of Orakpo: he's one of the true young pass rushing studs in this league. We could pair him with a guy like Lamarr Woodley and have a much stronger pass rushing unit. Woodley will probably be franchised by the Steelers which means we're looking to the draft to find that guy.

It's just a lone defensive need. We'll need a free safety too at some point, but honestly, if we just wanted to stick Kareem Moore out there again and admit that the defense is a work in progress because Kareem Moore kind of sucks, I think that second pass rusher will go a lot further. Free safety can be addressed when we have more picks. Sure would like to have Nate Allen on this team right now.
I agree. To me it's one reason I am not a fan of the 3-4 for this team. Orakpo's beastness is in pass-rushing...so it's what they do with him 99% of the time. It's super predictable. If we ran a base 4-3 with him at end at least then, theoretically, the predictability is negated somehow by the scheme. Not a big thing but unless we do get someone else like you say and then randomize their pass rushing we'll be predictable.
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Orakpo is playing his first year in a 3-4. Give him time to fully digest the system. While Orakpo only managed 1.5 sacks after the bye, it should be no surprise that that's about the same time that Landry went down. Add another rush linebacker and just imagine what could happen. Orakpo we'll be a star in this defense, if the front office will give Haslett enough time to develop it.
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Those who like Cam Newton in 2011 should have a look at this:
Cam X-rayed - CBSSports.com
Auburn coach Gene Chizik did not elaborate early Tuesday on what could be a significant injury to quarterback Cam Newton in Monday night's championship game
Good. One more reason for the Skins to think about NOT drafting him.
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