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Old 01-06-2011, 02:11 PM   #346
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Good quote that I think shines some new light:

"I wish I would have handled the one in Detroit a little bit differently," Shanahan admitted on Monday. "I should have been a little bit more honest than I was. Sometimes you do things to protect players and at the same time you're actually hurting them."
I have no problem believing that and I think basically most people thought it was something like this all along. What's the alternative? DM has been stinking it up all year and I need to get some SOB in here that can hit a reciever other than his....feet.
AT LEAST in part was he protecting DM.
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Old 01-06-2011, 02:14 PM   #347
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I love the fact people want to point fingers and place blame. Lets take a look at how the players felt in regards to how everything was handled....

Fredericksburg.com - A new tone--if not new results - page 1 FLS

Nice article.
Assuming you were referring to my comments as one of the "people" that "want to point fingers and place blame" I think the article above doesn't change my statements much if at all. In fact Shan admits that he wished he'd handled the mcnabb situation better in the detroit game, so he's accepted some blame.

I also noted that he & Allen set a new tone & made some major changes, but there's only so much that could be done in one year. Just to be clear, I wasn't placing blame for the mcnabb & AH debacles on Shan, but it's clear from this article that Shan. is taking some blame himself. As a head coach he should.

Just to play devil's advocate, there are only a couple guys quoted in this story. While I believe the spirit of the article, there were times this season when the locker room seemed in disarray & the team performed as poorly as it had under Spurrier. Only in 2 games though.
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Old 01-06-2011, 02:24 PM   #348
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Freddy, I didn't mean to single you out and some of what you said is true. Shanahan said right after the first McNabb incident he should have handled it differently. Honestly I don't have a problem with how it was handled. McNabb kept throwing dirt balls or over throwing his receivers. Did anyone think or get the feel McNabb would run our 2 min. drill like Payton Manning runs his? You'd be crazy to think so. Which is why I wondered why it took so long to use Grossman in the last 2 min. of any game previously. What I didn't think was right or fair was throwing in Grossman in the last 2 min. of a game when he has not taken very many reps with the starting team and not thrown a ball in a live game since preseason. It was unfair to Grossman to just throw him in and expect a miracle.

Now the real wonder is did either Shanahan mention to McNabb that he might be replaced for Grossman for the last 3 games and McNabb half listened or did they just seem to over look telling McNabb and made the change on Thurs. of that week? There is two sides to every story and all we've heard is McNabb's cause the Shanahan's are not talking about it.

As far as Haynesworth? I aplaud what they have done. Time to set examples.
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Old 01-06-2011, 02:35 PM   #350
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Old 01-06-2011, 02:40 PM   #351
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I love the fact people want to point fingers and place blame. Lets take a look at how the players felt in regards to how everything was handled....

Fredericksburg.com - A new tone--if not new results - page 1 FLS

Nice article.

Didn't the finger pointing start with Shanahan's directed at McNabb?
In fact your feel good article as well as the Washington Post article yesterday Washington Redskins offseason: Upgrading the offense after likely departure of Donovan McNabb
implied that it was mostly McNabb's fault. Kind of a convenient 'this is the major reason why we sucked this year' excuse.

I much prefer what classy Santana Moss said, :"I blame myself before I blame him (McNabb)," said wide receiver Santana Moss, who posted one of the best seasons of his career in 2010. "We all on this team together. Every individual guy should blame himself for what we went through this year. You can't just blame one person."
This should have come from Shanahan the leader of team and coach, not from the WR. Santana Moss is a classy player.
Shanahan shoulders very little of the percentage blame.
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Whatever, all these articles are nice but they are just words ... to be perfectly honest, I am not going to believe a word out of the players' or coaches mouths until we are a respectable team that makes a habit out of going to the playoffs. Till then, only one thing needs to be said:
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That makes the draft wide open. Maybe if we still don't turn it around this year we can draft Luck next year!!!
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Old 01-06-2011, 03:14 PM   #355
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Ok my point is... the way some people are talking I get the feeling they want to simply blame MS for the whole debacle. Some people are saying the players are unhappy with how things were handled. Maybe they were, maybe they are not. All I'm saying is there are some players there that are happy with how things were being handled, so lets stop pointing fingers, lets get over the fact McNabb was handled wrong, and move on.

I'm happy there is accountability finally, I'm happy everyone is being treated the same, I'm happy with how MS is punishing the players who don't want to practice or aren't performing. I think it's more the media is blowing things up more then it should be just to get reactions.
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Defense, let me ask you this, how much more blame should Shanahan toss on? He's accepted having handled the first benching of McNabb wrong. That's all The blame I'd give him. The Haynesworth issue I feel is all on AH being a prima dona trying to get what he wants and not have to do what his coach has requested of him.

The second benching of McNabb I figured the coach was protecting McNabb from meaningless games. Then all the dirt came out about McNabb not studying or knowing the full playbook. Stats a side you can't tell me Grossman didn't look better simply cause he knew the playbook better.
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Ok my point is... the way some people are talking I get the feeling they want to simply blame MS for the whole debacle. Some people are saying the players are unhappy with how things were handled. Maybe they were, maybe they are not. All I'm saying is there are some players there that are happy with how things were being handled, so lets stop pointing fingers, lets get over the fact McNabb was handled wrong, and move on.

I'm happy there is accountability finally, I'm happy everyone is being treated the same, I'm happy with how MS is punishing the players who don't want to practice or aren't performing. I think it's more the media is blowing things up more then it should be just to get reactions.
Really? I feel like it is completely the opposite. McNabb is the convenient public fall guy for 2010. I am am not even a McNabb fan, but I think he has taken more than his share of the blame.
Nobody else but Moss has stepped up to share in the blame or help deflect the blame. Where are the offensive lineman that blocked so poorly or the RB's that could not stay healthy? Or the defense that played most of the season ranked dead last? Quietly hiding?
Look at all the articles and what is being said in the media now that the season has ended. It has been overwhelming mentioning over and over again that McNabb did not live up to expectation (which is true) and that he no longer is wanted in DC, no second chance, see you later, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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Defense, let me ask you this, how much more blame should Shanahan toss on? He's accepted having handled the first benching of McNabb wrong. That's all The blame I'd give him. The Haynesworth issue I feel is all on AH being a prima dona trying to get what he wants and not have to do what his coach has requested of him.

The second benching of McNabb I figured the coach was protecting McNabb from meaningless games. Then all the dirt came out about McNabb not studying or knowing the full playbook. Stats a side you can't tell me Grossman didn't look better simply cause he knew the playbook better.
He should have stood up for his QB and mentioned that the rest of the team is also not playing well. The offensive line, RB's injured all the time, receivers that dropped many passes, a defense that was ranked last most of the season.
Yes, McNabb played poorly. I will admit that.
But if you are going to invest a 2nd and a 5th on a player and abandon him in less thatn one season when things get bad that is weak.
Mcnabb is not Jeff George.
McNabb paid out of his own pocket to fly his receivers on their off time to work extra time to get to know each other. McNabb has done everything you expect of a team leader to do and more....and his coach shit on him.
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There is no doubt the skins went through a radical change this year going from Zorn's easy going, buddy coach attitude to a dictator in one year.
I personally did not expect the radical behavior from shanny to be so extreme as to completely alienate top players that felt they paid their dues...such as haynesworth and Mcnabb...if it was only haynesworth, id understand as he is a me first player...but to alienate McNabb and throw him to the curb without giving him 2 full years is a bit crazy.
I understand he underperformed...but the line sucked...again and who's fault is that?
The reality is both prior coaching staffs got probowl production out of these two, but shanny would be lucky to garner a crappy 5th round pick for either of them.
That alone should tell you something.

I visualize Shanny in one of those westerns with players with egos saying....
This team aint big enough for the both of us.

I can see McNabb doing fairly well for another team, and don't be suprised if Haynesworth has a great season either.

Back to the draft...no way the skins waste their 1st rounder on a QB now that Luck is gone, the Qb's will be taken way to high...we need Dline at that spot...its the only move that makes sense at #10
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I'm happy there is accountability finally, I'm happy everyone is being treated the same
Accountability, I understand, but that does not mean treating everyone the same way....lets look at Redskins Superbowl winning teams.
Gibbs certainly did not treat his players the same way...he went way out of his way for problem children, such as riggins and manley and he let theisman run his mouth....all to make them feel important.
He could have just forced them all into 100% compliance but then Riggins would have never played, Theisman's mouth would literally explode from pressure build up and the Hogs would have never developed their pridefull subteam mentality.

Think back to Portis with Gibbs 2.0.
People say Gibbs ran him into the ground....
(I thought that was called maximizing talent )
Yes he did...and Portis was very effective AND very happy AND the Skins made the playoffs twice, with Brunell and Collins for heavens sake.
I can't think of a player that Gibbs came across that doesn't respect him.
He got them motivated because they WANTED to play for him...because he treated them Fairly AND as an individual.

Playing for Shanny is more like do what he says and Comply...and forget your individuality...he doesn't seem to care....he just wants 100% compliance. This can be demorilizing to some since it would be nice to have a boss that cares about you personally, like Zorn seemed to and Gibbs before him. Shanny seems to be even harsher than Shottenheimer.
But Shotty seemed to get every bit out of his players, while Shanny doesn't seem to.

With the Skins, it just seems that coaching "styles" go from one extreme to another which freaks out players. Not saying that a military style coach can't be effective...just saying that I think this style could leave a lot of unmotivated players
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