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Old 03-31-2011, 04:32 PM   #796
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You just said Locker is good enough to go as early as 12th. So how do you trade down and still get Locker? If a player is good enough to go anywhere from 12 to 32 then he's also good enough to go 10th. Your trade down would make more sense if you thought the earliest Locker would go was 25 or lower.
I said 12-32, not 12 only. The only reason I said he could go as early as 12 is any given team can be crazy high on Locker and reach for him. I would not take Locker 12th or 1-25. With the depth of talent in this draft class, I think he is a LATE 1st or early second. But that is just my opinion and where he will end up going is diffrent on where I think he should go.
So with my opinion, trading down to the 15-25 range, you should be able to land Locker IMO.
But I do not think he is a top of the 1st round talent. Not right now 3/31/2011.
Give a year to develop and he could be the next.....?
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Old 03-31-2011, 06:17 PM   #797
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If we trade back for a QB then he's not worth it IMO. Trade back and go OL/DL/LB in any order.
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Old 03-31-2011, 06:22 PM   #798
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I seem to recall alot of folks on here (ahem...including myself) knocking Bradford and saying we shouldn't pick him at #4, let alone trading up. Hindsight is 20/20.
I would have been thrilled with Bradford at #4 last year. But I don't think any QB this year is at Bradford's level.

I think we should draft a QB this year but haven't identified one yet I think can truly be our franchise guy

Waiting for Matt Barkley in 2012...kidding...or am I?
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Old 03-31-2011, 06:25 PM   #799
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I would have been thrilled with Bradford at #4 last year. But I don't think any QB this year is at Bradford's level.

I think we should draft a QB this year but haven't identified one yet I think can truly be our franchise guy

Waiting for Matt Barkley in 2012...kidding...or am I?

I really think Locker will be

Give me the last great USC QB? No thanks for me
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Old 03-31-2011, 10:03 PM   #800
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I wish there was a way Patrick Peterson would fall to 10. Bank on him becoming a ALL PRO soon
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I would have been thrilled with Bradford at #4 last year. But I don't think any QB this year is at Bradford's level.

I think we should draft a QB this year but haven't identified one yet I think can truly be our franchise guy

Waiting for Matt Barkley in 2012...kidding...or am I?
I know people will think I'm crazy just like with the whole Ricky Stanzi thing, but I think that Kellen Moore next year would be the next best QB for the Skins to get, because we know Luck will be gone.
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Old 04-01-2011, 09:40 AM   #802
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I seem to recall alot of folks on here (ahem...including myself) knocking Bradford and saying we shouldn't pick him at #4, let alone trading up. Hindsight is 20/20.
Well feel free to look up my post history...i am all over this board last year spouting about trading up for Bradford. I would have traded whatever it took to get him. We can sit around talking about patching this hole and that hole but we are not even in the game until we get a QB.
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Old 04-02-2011, 02:48 PM   #803
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I was thinking about it, and I really don't care if we don't get a good deal, we should without a doubt trade down.

The reason why I say this is because I asked myself, "what position don't we need?" The only answer I could come up with is corner (and that might actually be a need if Rodgers decides to leave next year). This means that we will get good value no matter where we pick in the first round. If we can get an extra 3rd or 4th round pick by trading back later in the first round I would say it is worth it. We simply have too many holes, and we are guaranteed to get good value at a position of need if we trade back.
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Old 04-02-2011, 07:04 PM   #804
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Robert Quinn at 10 in my opinion. His size and pass rushing ability should help him to about 10 or so sacks as a rookie and potentially contribute to more turnovers and 15 or more sacks for Orakpo. Imagine if the Skins had a legit pass rusher opposite Rak. Hell, imagine the carnage that Landry would be able to create with the other two scaring the crap out of OTs league wide.
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Robert Quinn at 10 in my opinion. His size and pass rushing ability should help him to about 10 or so sacks as a rookie and potentially contribute to more turnovers and 15 or more sacks for Orakpo. Imagine if the Skins had a legit pass rusher opposite Rak. Hell, imagine the carnage that Landry would be able to create with the other two scaring the crap out of OTs league wide.
There's also Aldon Smith, Ryan Kerrigan, Brooks Reed, Akeem Ayers, and Justin Houston depending on where we draft if we trade back.

I don't think having two elite rusher's in the 3-4 is as impactful as people might think. Remember we normally have 3 big guys on the line, so typically only one of the linebackers will blitz. We can't have them both rushing all the time, so although it will be nice to have two guys who can rush well so that the opposing team doesn't always know where it is coming from, neither of the OLB's pass rushing talents will be maximized.

I'd be happy trading back and picking up someone who can get us 7-9 sacks a year over the course of his career and can play the run/cover well for a linebacker.

Orakpo needs to be complemented, not overshadowed. Lets not forget the importance of the DL when it comes to creating opportunity for the OLB's to get to the QB.
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Well feel free to look up my post history...i am all over this board last year spouting about trading up for Bradford. I would have traded whatever it took to get him. We can sit around talking about patching this hole and that hole but we are not even in the game until we get a QB.
Finally, a 'Skins fan with some common sense! I agree completely with the assessment that we need a solid QB prospect.
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Old 04-02-2011, 08:52 PM   #807
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Bottom line, we need to draft a guy who can be groomed to be our Franchise QB. Based on our head coaches track record with QB's, I will be comfortable with whomever he chooses. That being said....I really like Locker and Newton.
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Finally, a 'Skins fan with some common sense! I agree completely with the assessment that we need a solid QB prospect.

Ok but what QB do u want? You can't just call 1-800-ineedaqb
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Old 04-02-2011, 08:54 PM   #809
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Bottom line, we need to draft a guy who can be groomed to be our Franchise QB. Based on our head coaches track record with QB's, I will be comfortable with whomever he chooses. That being said....I really like Locker and Newton.
Cam Newton is VY dude
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Old 04-02-2011, 09:34 PM   #810
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Finally, a 'Skins fan with some common sense! I agree completely with the assessment that we need a solid QB prospect.
I don't think anybody disagrees with you that to be competative in this league a franchise QB is a necessity. The problem is making sure we pick the right guy.
I'd say there's only 15 established QB's in the NFL right now that have shown they have potential to get it done. I'd say 5 of them (Schaub, Brady, Romo, Cassell, Brees) were not drafted in the first round. I'd say that of the 10 drafted in the 1st round, only 4 of them were not taken in the top 5 (Rodgers, Roethesberger, Freeman, Cutler). This means that there are only 5 proven QB's in the NFL drafted in the first two rounds, but not in the top 5 that have shown they can get it done.
These guys have about 10 productive years, which means that there is a 50% chance that we are even in the right year to find a prospect. Not to mention that there are about 6 QBs projected to go in the first two rounds. Lets say 2 of them go in the top 5 that is a 25% chance that we will find the right guy if we are in the right year. There is an 11.5% chance that we will be able to accurately predict who our QB of the future will be.
The issue isn't if we need a good qb prospect, its if we believe he is in this draft. To take a QB because you need a qb, not because you genuinely believe in him is a waste of a draft pick. It also sets us back even further from finding our real franchise qb. No team will draft a QB if they have a prospect of the future on their team
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